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Sun May-30-10 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #124 |
| 128. Oh please, start with an unsupported assertion and then claim oppression... |
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its typical, oh, and just an FYI, apparently her employment application made no mention of religion at all, and the school knew she wasn't Catholic.
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| -Atheist fired for self-identifying on internet message boards |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:03 PM |
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There's a free for all already in progress, if you're interested in wading in |
charlie |
May-29-10 08:06 PM |
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Wow! I had no idea there were so many bigots here! |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:13 PM |
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Bigots? |
Rage for Order |
May-29-10 08:32 PM |
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I hardly think we should use what the Republicans would do as an example to follow |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:36 PM |
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What would happen to Tim Kaine of the DNC |
harkadog |
May-29-10 11:12 PM |
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No one would be surprised. (NT) |
Tesha |
May-30-10 07:32 PM |
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You brought up the example of someone being fired for supporting Obama |
Rage for Order |
May-30-10 09:11 AM |
#123 |
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She's a math teacher. |
JackRiddler |
May-29-10 11:57 PM |
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Yes. Bigots. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-30-10 12:40 PM |
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Who's a bigot? It's a private Catholic school. Like it or not - |
lynne |
May-29-10 08:36 PM |
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So a private business should be allowed to discriminate? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:46 PM |
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Private businesses are allowed to discriminate |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 08:50 PM |
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She didn't mention it at work |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:53 PM |
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It doesn't matter that she didn't mention it at work |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 08:56 PM |
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Again, would you say the same thing if she was Jewish? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 09:56 PM |
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Yes, it would be legal for a Catholic school to not hire a Jewish person |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:00 PM |
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she pretended to pray. she pretended to participate in the christian and catholic rites. |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 10:01 PM |
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Exactly. Had it not been for exercising her first amendment rights... |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:08 PM |
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But the school has the right to limit it's teachers to those that hold a belief in God |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:12 PM |
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Religious institutions don't need to rely on bona fide occupational qualification |
charlie |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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You're right, I was just trying to make it simple |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:25 PM |
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had it not been for her being a fool and letting the cat out of the bag, or exposing her lie |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 11:20 PM |
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Yes, as a school teacher, she has no right to a private, personal life |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:22 PM |
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damn straight. i understand... internet, lol, is not "private". so i am aware of what i post |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 11:25 PM |
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She was fired for being a member of an atheist website |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:32 PM |
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Then you're a fool and are part of the reason why employers feel they can |
Raineyb |
May-29-10 11:42 PM |
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i am a fool because i know that internet is not "private" and i can get my ass fired or suffer other |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 08:11 AM |
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What lie? |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:25 PM |
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you will also read that she participated in prayer and other religious rites. lookin like a lie |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 11:26 PM |
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It means she didn't make her lack of belief an issue at work. No dishonesty is implied. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:29 PM |
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she pretended to be a christian. lie. nt |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 08:12 AM |
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The judge in her unemployment case found no misconduct on her behalf |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 10:36 AM |
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umemployment cases are hard to win for an employer, as it should be and that is fine. |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 12:18 PM |
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Her lack of religion DID NOT interfere with her job. The facts of the case make that clear. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:47 PM |
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she said she participated, firstly. secondly, whether other private religious schools are more open |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 01:01 PM |
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THIS school employs non-Catholic faculty therefore, adherence to Catholic doctrine |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 01:19 PM |
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many christians school, though of a particular denomination, do not require specific religion |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 01:51 PM |
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You're alleging something for which you have no proof. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 02:01 PM |
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You're alleging something ... as are you. you are right, they are guesses. |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 02:29 PM |
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Not believing in transubstantiation also contradicts the school's goals, |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 03:06 PM |
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wtf? lol. i think we have played this one out. |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 03:18 PM |
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So I guess you think all atheist students are liars when they recite "one nation under God"? |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:49 AM |
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Just further proof |
customerserviceguy |
May-29-10 10:14 PM |
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"Standards"? That's a strange word to use in this context. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 10:19 PM |
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How so? |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:21 PM |
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It almost implies that a believer is "better" than a non-believer. |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 11:52 PM |
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An institution that doesn't get rid of pedophiles thinks atheism is unacceptable? |
Raineyb |
May-29-10 11:52 PM |
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That is pretty standard actually. |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 10:22 PM |
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All. The. time. Legally. |
KonaKane |
May-29-10 08:51 PM |
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What if a teacher at a gay school said he felt "god hates fags" on their FB? (nt) |
The Straight Story |
May-29-10 10:02 PM |
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As long as he doesn't try to spread his philosophy to students... |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:09 PM |
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The teacher in question didn't try spread her philosophy to students. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:20 PM |
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Could you please give some examples of "gay schools"? Thanks. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:00 AM |
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Harvey Milk High School in NYC. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:13 AM |
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They're a public school FWIW |
Junkie Brewster |
May-30-10 12:18 AM |
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I know HMHS is a public school. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:23 AM |
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How is Harvey Milk High School a "gay school"? They don't teach kids to be gay. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:25 AM |
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You weren't real clear about what kind of example you wanted, so I went |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:30 AM |
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I asked for an example because I thought it would help me understand your point. |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:39 AM |
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I wasn't making a point. I merely answered a question you asked of another poster. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:44 AM |
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O.K., thanks. Sorry to be a pest. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:50 AM |
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You're not a pest. When threads get active, it becomes difficult to tell who's responding to what. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:52 AM |
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Are you seriously comparing atheists to bigoted hate groups? n/t |
me b zola |
May-30-10 12:48 AM |
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good question |
Shadow Creature |
May-29-10 10:59 PM |
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Not so much discrimination in this case as an employment requirement - |
lynne |
May-30-10 07:29 AM |
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WOW! Many here at DU support Rand Paul... |
SkyDaddy7 |
May-30-10 08:08 PM |
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Does it receive a dime of federal funding? |
KamaAina |
May-29-10 10:29 PM |
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Signed, Rand Paul. n/t |
TransitJohn |
May-30-10 08:02 AM |
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If they get any kind of public funds, they shouldn't be able to...n/t |
joeybee12 |
May-30-10 03:21 PM |
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Whatever |
Bert |
May-30-10 05:44 PM |
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What company do you work for which would allow |
pipoman |
May-29-10 09:18 PM |
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Socialism and Communism are against pretty much EVERY company's core values |
Lyric |
May-29-10 10:07 PM |
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You can't answer a question with a question. |
pipoman |
May-29-10 10:21 PM |
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I've always though that a bunch of communists should get together and start a charter school. |
JVS |
May-30-10 12:42 AM |
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he works for microsoft, but on his facebook he tells all it is junk, to buy a mac |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 10:06 PM |
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Atheists get away with being bigots on DU all the time |
WolverineDG |
May-29-10 11:51 PM |
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Oh please, pretty much anytime anyone states their lack of belief in God... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 08:03 AM |
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Can you point to just one example of that? |
spoony |
May-30-10 03:27 PM |
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Offended probably is the better word, but the result is more or less the same... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 05:33 PM |
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Yes, please do |
spoony |
May-30-10 06:12 PM |
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Umm she worked for the Cathlic Church as a teacher |
Tailormyst |
May-30-10 11:02 AM |
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It's alarming how so many blame the victims of abuse or injustice. |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 02:35 PM |
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Honey, in my state employers can fire somebody for any reason or NO reason, |
raccoon |
May-31-10 10:21 AM |
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Facebook outing the stupid again... |
depakid |
May-29-10 10:07 PM |
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So are all atheists stupid, or just the ones who dare admit it? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:13 PM |
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Sorry |
customerserviceguy |
May-29-10 10:17 PM |
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It might be stupid to diss your employer on Facebook, but she didn't do ithat |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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To say that you don't believe in a deity |
customerserviceguy |
May-29-10 10:35 PM |
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Well if that's the case, then the school violated Section VII of the EEOC |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:47 PM |
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If that's true |
customerserviceguy |
May-31-10 10:19 AM |
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Would you say it's a safe bet that her beliefs led her to LIE on her employment application? |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:18 PM |
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If she had lied on her application, I am sure the school would have publicized that fact |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:30 PM |
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I can't believe for the life of me that the question wasn't asked on the app. |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:43 PM |
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All I can say is this- |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:50 PM |
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Here's a link to the Diocese employment application form. I don't see any questions pertaining to a |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:52 PM |
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Nope. It doesn't even ask about Catholicism |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:54 PM |
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It may be covered in their "code of conduct" or employment contract |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 08:01 AM |
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using facebook to announce a conflict of interest with your employer |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 10:19 PM |
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Or someone getting a job with NOW |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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But she didn't do that |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:25 PM |
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Yes it is, if your employer is a Catholic school that requires a belief in God. n/t |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:26 PM |
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seems exactly the same to me. |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 10:26 PM |
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Do you think that somewhere on her employment application, the question "Do you believe in God" |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:29 PM |
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They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:32 PM |
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Are you saying you believe a Catholic school employment application wouldn't ask if you believe in |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:38 PM |
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It doesn't. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:43 PM |
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Wow. It doesn't even mention religion at all |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:52 PM |
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I owe a whole bunch of people a huge apology. I was totally wrong. WRONG I WAS. |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:58 PM |
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S'allright. It happens. N/T |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:03 PM |
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Apology accepted. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:06 PM |
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Most likely it wouldn't |
TorchTheWitch |
May-29-10 11:54 PM |
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I doubt it |
Dorian Gray |
May-30-10 02:05 PM |
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Actually, I really doubt that |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:35 PM |
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The teacher announced a disagreement. But a "conflict of interest"? That's debatable. |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 10:31 PM |
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Saying "there is no God" while working for a Catholic school? |
KonaKane |
May-29-10 10:55 PM |
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If there is a "conflict of interest" here, it's because the school does not care about math... |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:05 AM |
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That might be true, but it isn't the point of law |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 07:59 AM |
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Its not up to you and me to decide that |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 11:27 PM |
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I am not "deciding" anything. And I never said that the school was not within its rights. |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 11:44 PM |
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I'm betting the local EEOC investigator won't see how either N/T |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:47 PM |
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Well actually you said "its debateable" |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 12:23 AM |
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Well, I don't think the employer's point of view is the only one that matters. |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:31 AM |
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We don't have it, but they are usually pretty consistent in this area |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 07:56 AM |
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The other non-Catholic teachers employed by the school announce a conflict of interest with their |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 03:28 PM |
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then we should ask what was different here. |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 07:33 PM |
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The Catholic church is going to fire you if you don't uphold its doctrines |
depakid |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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Actually, the article makes clear that they employ non-Catholics |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:26 PM |
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Nevertheless it's their prerogative- and there are tons of instance where they've done so |
depakid |
May-29-10 10:35 PM |
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Actually, under Title VII, I'm pretty sure it's not |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:53 PM |
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But they can sure fire you if they feel you are hurting their stated mission |
KonaKane |
May-29-10 10:57 PM |
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How is hiring non-Catholics any different? If they're not Catholic, they don't |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:00 PM |
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But she didn't do that, did she? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:02 PM |
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Catholics have been know to have problems with Lutherans in the past, you know... |
PassingFair |
May-30-10 10:47 AM |
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They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her, so they knew she didn't necessarily uphold their |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:30 PM |
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Honesty should not be a crime... |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 02:47 PM |
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Ah well. The astute students will notice the dissonance |
charlie |
May-29-10 10:59 PM |
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Well said, charlie. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:16 AM |
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Pedophilia is fine to Catholic leaders, but don't dare be an honest person! |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 02:46 PM |
#145 |
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I'm sorry, I know people here love to hate Catholics, |
liberalhistorian |
May-29-10 11:28 PM |
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She not he. n/t |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 11:30 PM |
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You don't have to hate Catholics to be opposed to bigotry |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:37 PM |
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Funny, you'd think being a pedophile would be a bigger impediment to employment |
Raineyb |
May-29-10 11:51 PM |
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Yes, you would think so, wouldn't you? |
liberalhistorian |
May-30-10 09:52 AM |
#125 |
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I hate this oversensitive crap, speaking as an ex-Catholic, just STFU already. |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 07:50 AM |
#108 |
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I did not say I agreed with it. And I was not making excuses |
liberalhistorian |
May-30-10 09:50 AM |
#124 |
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Oh please, start with an unsupported assertion and then claim oppression... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 10:39 AM |
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Oh, I see |
spoony |
May-30-10 03:30 PM |
#153 |
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Just what is their 'doctrine'? Does that mean employees must be forced to rape children? |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 03:26 PM |
#150 |
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We atheists are the last group that it's OK to treat like shit. |
Odin2005 |
May-29-10 11:46 PM |
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Atheists and............SMOKERS!!!!! |
TransitJohn |
May-30-10 08:14 AM |
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It's the same reason that the likes of Tiger Woods are fired |
marshall |
May-30-10 08:01 AM |
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Did you just compare Atheism to the action of Tiger Woods? |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 08:05 AM |
#115 |
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It's all about perspective of the employer |
marshall |
May-30-10 08:41 AM |
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I'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread on this subject: |
onenote |
May-30-10 08:15 AM |
#119 |
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If this teacher insisted that pi=3, then you might have a point... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 08:55 AM |
#121 |
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so if a file clerk at the NAACP publicly announced that they had joined the KKK |
onenote |
May-30-10 10:49 AM |
#130 |
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You know, its really fucked up, and downright offensive, to compare a lack of belief... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 10:58 AM |
#131 |
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That's a poor analogy |
Junkie Brewster |
May-30-10 09:55 AM |
#126 |
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Now if the Catholics could just be as discriminating |
Codeine |
May-30-10 09:00 AM |
#122 |
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Mother Theresa didn't believe in God either. n/t |
daleo |
May-30-10 12:39 PM |
#134 |
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I'm an atheist, but this doesn't really bother me. |
Blue-Jay |
May-30-10 02:42 PM |
#144 |
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