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Sun May-30-10 08:01 AM
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| 112. It may be covered in their "code of conduct" or employment contract |
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Generally you get a code of conduct and must sign and accept it before you start your first day. Or in the case of contracted employment, an actual contract.
if they have ever even read about an HR department, they'll have one.
The application is important though, but isn't the only governing document.
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| -Atheist fired for self-identifying on internet message boards |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:03 PM |
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There's a free for all already in progress, if you're interested in wading in |
charlie |
May-29-10 08:06 PM |
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Wow! I had no idea there were so many bigots here! |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:13 PM |
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Bigots? |
Rage for Order |
May-29-10 08:32 PM |
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I hardly think we should use what the Republicans would do as an example to follow |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:36 PM |
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What would happen to Tim Kaine of the DNC |
harkadog |
May-29-10 11:12 PM |
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No one would be surprised. (NT) |
Tesha |
May-30-10 07:32 PM |
#157 |
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You brought up the example of someone being fired for supporting Obama |
Rage for Order |
May-30-10 09:11 AM |
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She's a math teacher. |
JackRiddler |
May-29-10 11:57 PM |
#89 |
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Yes. Bigots. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-30-10 12:40 PM |
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Who's a bigot? It's a private Catholic school. Like it or not - |
lynne |
May-29-10 08:36 PM |
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So a private business should be allowed to discriminate? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:46 PM |
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Private businesses are allowed to discriminate |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 08:50 PM |
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She didn't mention it at work |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 08:53 PM |
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It doesn't matter that she didn't mention it at work |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 08:56 PM |
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Again, would you say the same thing if she was Jewish? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 09:56 PM |
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Yes, it would be legal for a Catholic school to not hire a Jewish person |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:00 PM |
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she pretended to pray. she pretended to participate in the christian and catholic rites. |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 10:01 PM |
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Exactly. Had it not been for exercising her first amendment rights... |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:08 PM |
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But the school has the right to limit it's teachers to those that hold a belief in God |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:12 PM |
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Religious institutions don't need to rely on bona fide occupational qualification |
charlie |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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You're right, I was just trying to make it simple |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:25 PM |
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had it not been for her being a fool and letting the cat out of the bag, or exposing her lie |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 11:20 PM |
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Yes, as a school teacher, she has no right to a private, personal life |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:22 PM |
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damn straight. i understand... internet, lol, is not "private". so i am aware of what i post |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 11:25 PM |
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She was fired for being a member of an atheist website |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:32 PM |
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Then you're a fool and are part of the reason why employers feel they can |
Raineyb |
May-29-10 11:42 PM |
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i am a fool because i know that internet is not "private" and i can get my ass fired or suffer other |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 08:11 AM |
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What lie? |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:25 PM |
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you will also read that she participated in prayer and other religious rites. lookin like a lie |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 11:26 PM |
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It means she didn't make her lack of belief an issue at work. No dishonesty is implied. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:29 PM |
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she pretended to be a christian. lie. nt |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 08:12 AM |
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The judge in her unemployment case found no misconduct on her behalf |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 10:36 AM |
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umemployment cases are hard to win for an employer, as it should be and that is fine. |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 12:18 PM |
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Her lack of religion DID NOT interfere with her job. The facts of the case make that clear. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:47 PM |
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she said she participated, firstly. secondly, whether other private religious schools are more open |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 01:01 PM |
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THIS school employs non-Catholic faculty therefore, adherence to Catholic doctrine |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 01:19 PM |
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many christians school, though of a particular denomination, do not require specific religion |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 01:51 PM |
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You're alleging something for which you have no proof. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 02:01 PM |
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You're alleging something ... as are you. you are right, they are guesses. |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 02:29 PM |
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Not believing in transubstantiation also contradicts the school's goals, |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 03:06 PM |
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wtf? lol. i think we have played this one out. |
seabeyond |
May-30-10 03:18 PM |
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So I guess you think all atheist students are liars when they recite "one nation under God"? |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:49 AM |
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Just further proof |
customerserviceguy |
May-29-10 10:14 PM |
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"Standards"? That's a strange word to use in this context. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 10:19 PM |
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How so? |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:21 PM |
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It almost implies that a believer is "better" than a non-believer. |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 11:52 PM |
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An institution that doesn't get rid of pedophiles thinks atheism is unacceptable? |
Raineyb |
May-29-10 11:52 PM |
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That is pretty standard actually. |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 10:22 PM |
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All. The. time. Legally. |
KonaKane |
May-29-10 08:51 PM |
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What if a teacher at a gay school said he felt "god hates fags" on their FB? (nt) |
The Straight Story |
May-29-10 10:02 PM |
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As long as he doesn't try to spread his philosophy to students... |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:09 PM |
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The teacher in question didn't try spread her philosophy to students. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:20 PM |
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Could you please give some examples of "gay schools"? Thanks. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:00 AM |
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Harvey Milk High School in NYC. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:13 AM |
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They're a public school FWIW |
Junkie Brewster |
May-30-10 12:18 AM |
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I know HMHS is a public school. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:23 AM |
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How is Harvey Milk High School a "gay school"? They don't teach kids to be gay. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:25 AM |
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You weren't real clear about what kind of example you wanted, so I went |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:30 AM |
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I asked for an example because I thought it would help me understand your point. |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:39 AM |
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I wasn't making a point. I merely answered a question you asked of another poster. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:44 AM |
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O.K., thanks. Sorry to be a pest. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:50 AM |
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You're not a pest. When threads get active, it becomes difficult to tell who's responding to what. |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 12:52 AM |
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Are you seriously comparing atheists to bigoted hate groups? n/t |
me b zola |
May-30-10 12:48 AM |
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good question |
Shadow Creature |
May-29-10 10:59 PM |
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Not so much discrimination in this case as an employment requirement - |
lynne |
May-30-10 07:29 AM |
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WOW! Many here at DU support Rand Paul... |
SkyDaddy7 |
May-30-10 08:08 PM |
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Does it receive a dime of federal funding? |
KamaAina |
May-29-10 10:29 PM |
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Signed, Rand Paul. n/t |
TransitJohn |
May-30-10 08:02 AM |
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If they get any kind of public funds, they shouldn't be able to...n/t |
joeybee12 |
May-30-10 03:21 PM |
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Whatever |
Bert |
May-30-10 05:44 PM |
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What company do you work for which would allow |
pipoman |
May-29-10 09:18 PM |
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Socialism and Communism are against pretty much EVERY company's core values |
Lyric |
May-29-10 10:07 PM |
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You can't answer a question with a question. |
pipoman |
May-29-10 10:21 PM |
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I've always though that a bunch of communists should get together and start a charter school. |
JVS |
May-30-10 12:42 AM |
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he works for microsoft, but on his facebook he tells all it is junk, to buy a mac |
seabeyond |
May-29-10 10:06 PM |
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Atheists get away with being bigots on DU all the time |
WolverineDG |
May-29-10 11:51 PM |
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Oh please, pretty much anytime anyone states their lack of belief in God... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 08:03 AM |
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Can you point to just one example of that? |
spoony |
May-30-10 03:27 PM |
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Offended probably is the better word, but the result is more or less the same... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 05:33 PM |
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Yes, please do |
spoony |
May-30-10 06:12 PM |
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Umm she worked for the Cathlic Church as a teacher |
Tailormyst |
May-30-10 11:02 AM |
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It's alarming how so many blame the victims of abuse or injustice. |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 02:35 PM |
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Honey, in my state employers can fire somebody for any reason or NO reason, |
raccoon |
May-31-10 10:21 AM |
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Facebook outing the stupid again... |
depakid |
May-29-10 10:07 PM |
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So are all atheists stupid, or just the ones who dare admit it? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:13 PM |
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Sorry |
customerserviceguy |
May-29-10 10:17 PM |
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It might be stupid to diss your employer on Facebook, but she didn't do ithat |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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To say that you don't believe in a deity |
customerserviceguy |
May-29-10 10:35 PM |
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Well if that's the case, then the school violated Section VII of the EEOC |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:47 PM |
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If that's true |
customerserviceguy |
May-31-10 10:19 AM |
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Would you say it's a safe bet that her beliefs led her to LIE on her employment application? |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:18 PM |
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If she had lied on her application, I am sure the school would have publicized that fact |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:30 PM |
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I can't believe for the life of me that the question wasn't asked on the app. |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:43 PM |
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All I can say is this- |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:50 PM |
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Here's a link to the Diocese employment application form. I don't see any questions pertaining to a |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:52 PM |
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Nope. It doesn't even ask about Catholicism |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:54 PM |
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It may be covered in their "code of conduct" or employment contract |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 08:01 AM |
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using facebook to announce a conflict of interest with your employer |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 10:19 PM |
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Or someone getting a job with NOW |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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But she didn't do that |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:25 PM |
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Yes it is, if your employer is a Catholic school that requires a belief in God. n/t |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 10:26 PM |
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seems exactly the same to me. |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 10:26 PM |
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Do you think that somewhere on her employment application, the question "Do you believe in God" |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:29 PM |
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They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:32 PM |
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Are you saying you believe a Catholic school employment application wouldn't ask if you believe in |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:38 PM |
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It doesn't. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:43 PM |
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Wow. It doesn't even mention religion at all |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:52 PM |
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I owe a whole bunch of people a huge apology. I was totally wrong. WRONG I WAS. |
cherokeeprogressive |
May-29-10 10:58 PM |
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S'allright. It happens. N/T |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:03 PM |
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Apology accepted. |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:06 PM |
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Most likely it wouldn't |
TorchTheWitch |
May-29-10 11:54 PM |
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I doubt it |
Dorian Gray |
May-30-10 02:05 PM |
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Actually, I really doubt that |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:35 PM |
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The teacher announced a disagreement. But a "conflict of interest"? That's debatable. |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 10:31 PM |
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Saying "there is no God" while working for a Catholic school? |
KonaKane |
May-29-10 10:55 PM |
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If there is a "conflict of interest" here, it's because the school does not care about math... |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:05 AM |
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That might be true, but it isn't the point of law |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 07:59 AM |
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Its not up to you and me to decide that |
yodoobo |
May-29-10 11:27 PM |
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I am not "deciding" anything. And I never said that the school was not within its rights. |
Chef Eric |
May-29-10 11:44 PM |
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I'm betting the local EEOC investigator won't see how either N/T |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:47 PM |
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Well actually you said "its debateable" |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 12:23 AM |
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Well, I don't think the employer's point of view is the only one that matters. |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:31 AM |
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We don't have it, but they are usually pretty consistent in this area |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 07:56 AM |
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The other non-Catholic teachers employed by the school announce a conflict of interest with their |
smokey nj |
May-30-10 03:28 PM |
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then we should ask what was different here. |
yodoobo |
May-30-10 07:33 PM |
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The Catholic church is going to fire you if you don't uphold its doctrines |
depakid |
May-29-10 10:23 PM |
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Actually, the article makes clear that they employ non-Catholics |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:26 PM |
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Nevertheless it's their prerogative- and there are tons of instance where they've done so |
depakid |
May-29-10 10:35 PM |
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Actually, under Title VII, I'm pretty sure it's not |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 10:53 PM |
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But they can sure fire you if they feel you are hurting their stated mission |
KonaKane |
May-29-10 10:57 PM |
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How is hiring non-Catholics any different? If they're not Catholic, they don't |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 11:00 PM |
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But she didn't do that, did she? |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:02 PM |
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Catholics have been know to have problems with Lutherans in the past, you know... |
PassingFair |
May-30-10 10:47 AM |
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They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her, so they knew she didn't necessarily uphold their |
smokey nj |
May-29-10 10:30 PM |
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Honesty should not be a crime... |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 02:47 PM |
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Ah well. The astute students will notice the dissonance |
charlie |
May-29-10 10:59 PM |
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Well said, charlie. nt |
Chef Eric |
May-30-10 12:16 AM |
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Pedophilia is fine to Catholic leaders, but don't dare be an honest person! |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 02:46 PM |
#145 |
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I'm sorry, I know people here love to hate Catholics, |
liberalhistorian |
May-29-10 11:28 PM |
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She not he. n/t |
tammywammy |
May-29-10 11:30 PM |
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You don't have to hate Catholics to be opposed to bigotry |
Junkie Brewster |
May-29-10 11:37 PM |
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Funny, you'd think being a pedophile would be a bigger impediment to employment |
Raineyb |
May-29-10 11:51 PM |
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Yes, you would think so, wouldn't you? |
liberalhistorian |
May-30-10 09:52 AM |
#125 |
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I hate this oversensitive crap, speaking as an ex-Catholic, just STFU already. |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 07:50 AM |
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I did not say I agreed with it. And I was not making excuses |
liberalhistorian |
May-30-10 09:50 AM |
#124 |
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Oh please, start with an unsupported assertion and then claim oppression... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 10:39 AM |
#128 |
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Oh, I see |
spoony |
May-30-10 03:30 PM |
#153 |
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Just what is their 'doctrine'? Does that mean employees must be forced to rape children? |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-30-10 03:26 PM |
#150 |
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We atheists are the last group that it's OK to treat like shit. |
Odin2005 |
May-29-10 11:46 PM |
#82 |
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Atheists and............SMOKERS!!!!! |
TransitJohn |
May-30-10 08:14 AM |
#118 |
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It's the same reason that the likes of Tiger Woods are fired |
marshall |
May-30-10 08:01 AM |
#111 |
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Did you just compare Atheism to the action of Tiger Woods? |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 08:05 AM |
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It's all about perspective of the employer |
marshall |
May-30-10 08:41 AM |
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I'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread on this subject: |
onenote |
May-30-10 08:15 AM |
#119 |
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If this teacher insisted that pi=3, then you might have a point... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 08:55 AM |
#121 |
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so if a file clerk at the NAACP publicly announced that they had joined the KKK |
onenote |
May-30-10 10:49 AM |
#130 |
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You know, its really fucked up, and downright offensive, to compare a lack of belief... |
Cleobulus |
May-30-10 10:58 AM |
#131 |
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That's a poor analogy |
Junkie Brewster |
May-30-10 09:55 AM |
#126 |
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Now if the Catholics could just be as discriminating |
Codeine |
May-30-10 09:00 AM |
#122 |
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Mother Theresa didn't believe in God either. n/t |
daleo |
May-30-10 12:39 PM |
#134 |
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I'm an atheist, but this doesn't really bother me. |
Blue-Jay |
May-30-10 02:42 PM |
#144 |
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