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Junkie Brewster Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 11:03 PM
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66. S'allright. It happens. N/T
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  -Atheist fired for self-identifying on internet message boards Junkie Brewster  May-29-10 08:03 PM   #0 
  - There's a free for all already in progress, if you're interested in wading in  charlie   May-29-10 08:06 PM   #1 
  - Wow! I had no idea there were so many bigots here!  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:13 PM   #2 
     - Bigots?  Rage for Order   May-29-10 08:32 PM   #3 
     - I hardly think we should use what the Republicans would do as an example to follow  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:36 PM   #4 
     - What would happen to Tim Kaine of the DNC  harkadog   May-29-10 11:12 PM   #68 
     - No one would be surprised. (NT)  Tesha   May-30-10 07:32 PM   #157 
     - You brought up the example of someone being fired for supporting Obama  Rage for Order   May-30-10 09:11 AM   #123 
     - She's a math teacher.  JackRiddler   May-29-10 11:57 PM   #89 
     - Yes. Bigots.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-30-10 12:40 PM   #135 
     - Who's a bigot? It's a private Catholic school. Like it or not -  lynne   May-29-10 08:36 PM   #5 
     - So a private business should be allowed to discriminate?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:46 PM   #6 
     - Private businesses are allowed to discriminate  tammywammy   May-29-10 08:50 PM   #7 
     - She didn't mention it at work  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:53 PM   #9 
        - It doesn't matter that she didn't mention it at work  tammywammy   May-29-10 08:56 PM   #10 
        - Again, would you say the same thing if she was Jewish?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 09:56 PM   #12 
        - Yes, it would be legal for a Catholic school to not hire a Jewish person  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:00 PM   #13 
        - she pretended to pray. she pretended to participate in the christian and catholic rites.  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:01 PM   #14 
        - Exactly. Had it not been for exercising her first amendment rights...  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:08 PM   #19 
           - But the school has the right to limit it's teachers to those that hold a belief in God  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:12 PM   #21 
           - Religious institutions don't need to rely on bona fide occupational qualification  charlie   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #34 
              - You're right, I was just trying to make it simple  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:25 PM   #37 
           - had it not been for her being a fool and letting the cat out of the bag, or exposing her lie  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:20 PM   #69 
              - Yes, as a school teacher, she has no right to a private, personal life  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:22 PM   #70 
              - damn straight. i understand... internet, lol, is not "private". so i am aware of what i post  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:25 PM   #72 
                 - She was fired for being a member of an atheist website  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:32 PM   #78 
                 - Then you're a fool and are part of the reason why employers feel they can  Raineyb   May-29-10 11:42 PM   #80 
                    - i am a fool because i know that internet is not "private" and i can get my ass fired or suffer other  seabeyond   May-30-10 08:11 AM   #116 
              - What lie?  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:25 PM   #71 
                 - you will also read that she participated in prayer and other religious rites. lookin like a lie  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:26 PM   #73 
                    - It means she didn't make her lack of belief an issue at work. No dishonesty is implied.  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:29 PM   #76 
                    - she pretended to be a christian. lie. nt  seabeyond   May-30-10 08:12 AM   #117 
                       - The judge in her unemployment case found no misconduct on her behalf  smokey nj   May-30-10 10:36 AM   #127 
                          - umemployment cases are hard to win for an employer, as it should be and that is fine.  seabeyond   May-30-10 12:18 PM   #133 
                             - Her lack of religion DID NOT interfere with her job. The facts of the case make that clear.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:47 PM   #136 
                                - she said she participated, firstly. secondly, whether other private religious schools are more open  seabeyond   May-30-10 01:01 PM   #137 
                                - THIS school employs non-Catholic faculty therefore, adherence to Catholic doctrine  smokey nj   May-30-10 01:19 PM   #138 
                                - many christians school, though of a particular denomination, do not require specific religion  seabeyond   May-30-10 01:51 PM   #139 
                                - You're alleging something for which you have no proof.  smokey nj   May-30-10 02:01 PM   #140 
                                - You're alleging something ... as are you. you are right, they are guesses.  seabeyond   May-30-10 02:29 PM   #142 
                                - Not believing in transubstantiation also contradicts the school's goals,  smokey nj   May-30-10 03:06 PM   #147 
                                - wtf? lol. i think we have played this one out.  seabeyond   May-30-10 03:18 PM   #148 
                    - So I guess you think all atheist students are liars when they recite "one nation under God"?  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:49 AM   #104 
        - Just further proof  customerserviceguy   May-29-10 10:14 PM   #23 
        - "Standards"? That's a strange word to use in this context. nt  Chef Eric   May-29-10 10:19 PM   #27 
           - How so?  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:21 PM   #30 
              - It almost implies that a believer is "better" than a non-believer.  Chef Eric   May-29-10 11:52 PM   #86 
              - An institution that doesn't get rid of pedophiles thinks atheism is unacceptable?  Raineyb   May-29-10 11:52 PM   #87 
        - That is pretty standard actually.  yodoobo   May-29-10 10:22 PM   #31 
     - All. The. time. Legally.  KonaKane   May-29-10 08:51 PM   #8 
     - What if a teacher at a gay school said he felt "god hates fags" on their FB? (nt)  The Straight Story   May-29-10 10:02 PM   #15 
     - As long as he doesn't try to spread his philosophy to students...  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:09 PM   #20 
     - The teacher in question didn't try spread her philosophy to students.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:20 PM   #28 
     - Could you please give some examples of "gay schools"? Thanks. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:00 AM   #90 
     - Harvey Milk High School in NYC.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:13 AM   #92 
        - They're a public school FWIW  Junkie Brewster   May-30-10 12:18 AM   #94 
        - I know HMHS is a public school.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:23 AM   #95 
        - How is Harvey Milk High School a "gay school"? They don't teach kids to be gay. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:25 AM   #97 
           - You weren't real clear about what kind of example you wanted, so I went  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:30 AM   #98 
              - I asked for an example because I thought it would help me understand your point.  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:39 AM   #100 
                 - I wasn't making a point. I merely answered a question you asked of another poster.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:44 AM   #102 
                    - O.K., thanks. Sorry to be a pest. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:50 AM   #105 
                       - You're not a pest. When threads get active, it becomes difficult to tell who's responding to what.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:52 AM   #106 
     - Are you seriously comparing atheists to bigoted hate groups? n/t  me b zola   May-30-10 12:48 AM   #103 
     - good question  Shadow Creature   May-29-10 10:59 PM   #63 
     - Not so much discrimination in this case as an employment requirement -  lynne   May-30-10 07:29 AM   #107 
     - WOW! Many here at DU support Rand Paul...  SkyDaddy7   May-30-10 08:08 PM   #159 
     - Does it receive a dime of federal funding?  KamaAina   May-29-10 10:29 PM   #42 
     - Signed, Rand Paul. n/t  TransitJohn   May-30-10 08:02 AM   #113 
     - If they get any kind of public funds, they shouldn't be able to...n/t  joeybee12   May-30-10 03:21 PM   #149 
     - Whatever  Bert   May-30-10 05:44 PM   #155 
     - What company do you work for which would allow  pipoman   May-29-10 09:18 PM   #11 
     - Socialism and Communism are against pretty much EVERY company's core values  Lyric   May-29-10 10:07 PM   #17 
        - You can't answer a question with a question.  pipoman   May-29-10 10:21 PM   #29 
        - I've always though that a bunch of communists should get together and start a charter school.  JVS   May-30-10 12:42 AM   #101 
     - he works for microsoft, but on his facebook he tells all it is junk, to buy a mac  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:06 PM   #16 
     - Atheists get away with being bigots on DU all the time  WolverineDG   May-29-10 11:51 PM   #85 
     - Oh please, pretty much anytime anyone states their lack of belief in God...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 08:03 AM   #114 
        - Can you point to just one example of that?  spoony   May-30-10 03:27 PM   #151 
           - Offended probably is the better word, but the result is more or less the same...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 05:33 PM   #154 
              - Yes, please do  spoony   May-30-10 06:12 PM   #156 
     - Umm she worked for the Cathlic Church as a teacher  Tailormyst   May-30-10 11:02 AM   #132 
     - It's alarming how so many blame the victims of abuse or injustice.  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 02:35 PM   #143 
     - Honey, in my state employers can fire somebody for any reason or NO reason,  raccoon   May-31-10 10:21 AM   #161 
  - Facebook outing the stupid again...  depakid   May-29-10 10:07 PM   #18 
  - So are all atheists stupid, or just the ones who dare admit it?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:13 PM   #22 
  - Sorry  customerserviceguy   May-29-10 10:17 PM   #24 
  - It might be stupid to diss your employer on Facebook, but she didn't do ithat  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #35 
     - To say that you don't believe in a deity  customerserviceguy   May-29-10 10:35 PM   #47 
        - Well if that's the case, then the school violated Section VII of the EEOC  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:47 PM   #53 
           - If that's true  customerserviceguy   May-31-10 10:19 AM   #160 
  - Would you say it's a safe bet that her beliefs led her to LIE on her employment application?  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:18 PM   #25 
  - If she had lied on her application, I am sure the school would have publicized that fact  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:30 PM   #43 
     - I can't believe for the life of me that the question wasn't asked on the app.  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:43 PM   #51 
        - All I can say is this-  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:50 PM   #54 
           - Here's a link to the Diocese employment application form. I don't see any questions pertaining to a  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:52 PM   #56 
              - Nope. It doesn't even ask about Catholicism  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:54 PM   #58 
                 - It may be covered in their "code of conduct" or employment contract  yodoobo   May-30-10 08:01 AM   #112 
  - using facebook to announce a conflict of interest with your employer  yodoobo   May-29-10 10:19 PM   #26 
  - Or someone getting a job with NOW  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #32 
  - But she didn't do that  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:25 PM   #36 
  - Yes it is, if your employer is a Catholic school that requires a belief in God. n/t  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:26 PM   #38 
  - seems exactly the same to me.  yodoobo   May-29-10 10:26 PM   #40 
  - Do you think that somewhere on her employment application, the question "Do you believe in God"  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:29 PM   #41 
     - They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:32 PM   #46 
     - Are you saying you believe a Catholic school employment application wouldn't ask if you believe in  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:38 PM   #50 
        - It doesn't.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:43 PM   #52 
        - Wow. It doesn't even mention religion at all  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:52 PM   #55 
        - I owe a whole bunch of people a huge apology. I was totally wrong. WRONG I WAS.  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:58 PM   #61 
           - S'allright. It happens. N/T  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:03 PM   #66 
           - Apology accepted.  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:06 PM   #67 
        - Most likely it wouldn't  TorchTheWitch   May-29-10 11:54 PM   #88 
        - I doubt it  Dorian Gray   May-30-10 02:05 PM   #141 
     - Actually, I really doubt that  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:35 PM   #48 
  - The teacher announced a disagreement. But a "conflict of interest"? That's debatable.  Chef Eric   May-29-10 10:31 PM   #45 
  - Saying "there is no God" while working for a Catholic school?  KonaKane   May-29-10 10:55 PM   #59 
  - If there is a "conflict of interest" here, it's because the school does not care about math...  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:05 AM   #91 
     - That might be true, but it isn't the point of law  yodoobo   May-30-10 07:59 AM   #110 
  - Its not up to you and me to decide that  yodoobo   May-29-10 11:27 PM   #74 
     - I am not "deciding" anything. And I never said that the school was not within its rights.  Chef Eric   May-29-10 11:44 PM   #81 
        - I'm betting the local EEOC investigator won't see how either N/T  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:47 PM   #83 
        - Well actually you said "its debateable"  yodoobo   May-30-10 12:23 AM   #96 
           - Well, I don't think the employer's point of view is the only one that matters.  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:31 AM   #99 
              - We don't have it, but they are usually pretty consistent in this area  yodoobo   May-30-10 07:56 AM   #109 
  - The other non-Catholic teachers employed by the school announce a conflict of interest with their  smokey nj   May-30-10 03:28 PM   #152 
     - then we should ask what was different here.  yodoobo   May-30-10 07:33 PM   #158 
  - The Catholic church is going to fire you if you don't uphold its doctrines  depakid   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #33 
     - Actually, the article makes clear that they employ non-Catholics  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:26 PM   #39 
     - Nevertheless it's their prerogative- and there are tons of instance where they've done so  depakid   May-29-10 10:35 PM   #49 
        - Actually, under Title VII, I'm pretty sure it's not  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:53 PM   #57 
           - But they can sure fire you if they feel you are hurting their stated mission  KonaKane   May-29-10 10:57 PM   #60 
              - How is hiring non-Catholics any different? If they're not Catholic, they don't  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:00 PM   #64 
              - But she didn't do that, did she?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:02 PM   #65 
              - Catholics have been know to have problems with Lutherans in the past, you know...  PassingFair   May-30-10 10:47 AM   #129 
     - They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her, so they knew she didn't necessarily uphold their  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:30 PM   #44 
  - Honesty should not be a crime...  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 02:47 PM   #146 
  - Ah well. The astute students will notice the dissonance  charlie   May-29-10 10:59 PM   #62 
  - Well said, charlie. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:16 AM   #93 
  - Pedophilia is fine to Catholic leaders, but don't dare be an honest person!  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 02:46 PM   #145 
  - I'm sorry, I know people here love to hate Catholics,  liberalhistorian   May-29-10 11:28 PM   #75 
  - She not he. n/t  tammywammy   May-29-10 11:30 PM   #77 
  - You don't have to hate Catholics to be opposed to bigotry  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:37 PM   #79 
  - Funny, you'd think being a pedophile would be a bigger impediment to employment  Raineyb   May-29-10 11:51 PM   #84 
  - Yes, you would think so, wouldn't you?  liberalhistorian   May-30-10 09:52 AM   #125 
  - I hate this oversensitive crap, speaking as an ex-Catholic, just STFU already.  Cleobulus   May-30-10 07:50 AM   #108 
  - I did not say I agreed with it. And I was not making excuses  liberalhistorian   May-30-10 09:50 AM   #124 
     - Oh please, start with an unsupported assertion and then claim oppression...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 10:39 AM   #128 
        - Oh, I see  spoony   May-30-10 03:30 PM   #153 
  - Just what is their 'doctrine'? Does that mean employees must be forced to rape children?  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 03:26 PM   #150 
  - We atheists are the last group that it's OK to treat like shit.  Odin2005   May-29-10 11:46 PM   #82 
  - Atheists and............SMOKERS!!!!!  TransitJohn   May-30-10 08:14 AM   #118 
  - It's the same reason that the likes of Tiger Woods are fired  marshall   May-30-10 08:01 AM   #111 
  - Did you just compare Atheism to the action of Tiger Woods?  Cleobulus   May-30-10 08:05 AM   #115 
     - It's all about perspective of the employer  marshall   May-30-10 08:41 AM   #120 
  - I'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread on this subject:  onenote   May-30-10 08:15 AM   #119 
  - If this teacher insisted that pi=3, then you might have a point...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 08:55 AM   #121 
  - so if a file clerk at the NAACP publicly announced that they had joined the KKK  onenote   May-30-10 10:49 AM   #130 
     - You know, its really fucked up, and downright offensive, to compare a lack of belief...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 10:58 AM   #131 
  - That's a poor analogy  Junkie Brewster   May-30-10 09:55 AM   #126 
  - Now if the Catholics could just be as discriminating  Codeine   May-30-10 09:00 AM   #122 
  - Mother Theresa didn't believe in God either. n/t  daleo   May-30-10 12:39 PM   #134 
  - I'm an atheist, but this doesn't really bother me.  Blue-Jay   May-30-10 02:42 PM   #144 

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