| 87. Yep, there you have it. |
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Anything that impairs the voice of the people from being heard is wrong.
This is the problem right now in America. The Supreme Court has decided that bribery is legal for a certain class of individuals, and the same court has also decided that fraud is legal for certain propagandists that operate as news organizations.
These rulings, among many others, represent truly un-American ideals. They do nothing but facilitate tyranny of the few over the many and they are the antithesis of the ideal that this country was founded on.
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| -Something is seriously wrong in our society |
Ardent15 |
May-29-10 03:50 PM |
#0 |
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Time to party like it's 1789 |
arcadian |
May-29-10 03:52 PM |
#1 |
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+1 |
readmoreoften |
May-29-10 06:36 PM |
#20 |
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Because we are not represented by our Government,as you know they represent... |
sasquuatch55 |
May-30-10 10:12 AM |
#106 |
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+1 |
MissDeeds |
May-30-10 11:42 AM |
#115 |
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Bingo! That is exactly right. |
driver8 |
May-30-10 12:26 PM |
#130 |
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It's all about Election Fraud, fraudulent representatives, Proposition votes manipulated...see #209 |
tiptoe |
May-31-10 07:47 PM |
#210 |
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+1 |
leftstreet |
May-29-10 09:33 PM |
#34 |
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+1 |
Sherman A1 |
May-30-10 02:39 AM |
#51 |
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more like 1775 |
pundaint |
May-30-10 02:52 AM |
#52 |
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I believe the 1789 allusion includes the guillotine. :-) |
WinkyDink |
May-30-10 07:35 AM |
#76 |
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OK, I'm in. |
pundaint |
May-30-10 11:27 AM |
#114 |
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1917 |
JVS |
May-30-10 03:48 AM |
#60 |
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I've sometimes tried to explain that angle to the 'trickle down' types |
unpossibles |
May-30-10 10:45 AM |
#110 |
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fortunately for the haves, americans have teevee. |
pansypoo53219 |
May-30-10 12:25 PM |
#128 |
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Allons enfants de la paaaaatrie. . . |
Lena inRI |
May-30-10 12:38 PM |
#134 |
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More like 1776... |
awoke_in_2003 |
May-30-10 02:58 PM |
#162 |
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1789 didn't have ELECTION FRAUD favoring the RIGHT-WING almost 100% (like today). Check it out: |
tiptoe |
May-31-10 06:32 PM |
#209 |
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Perhaps we are finally coming to the point where the masses will start to wake |
NC_Nurse |
May-29-10 03:53 PM |
#2 |
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The entire world is starting to wake up, and see that capitalism is NOT ON THEIR SIDE. |
secondwind |
May-29-10 03:56 PM |
#3 |
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and the alternative is......? |
Tejas |
May-29-10 04:51 PM |
#18 |
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Uh. The alternative is called international socialism. |
readmoreoften |
May-29-10 06:38 PM |
#22 |
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Eliminating capitalism doesn't guarantee liberty or justice. |
Usrename |
May-29-10 08:49 PM |
#31 |
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Shhh, they hating hearing that little fact. |
proteus_lives |
May-29-10 09:31 PM |
#32 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-30-10 10:49 AM |
#111 |
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That's nice how you include a strawman with your ad hominem. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 11:48 AM |
#118 |
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No does perpetuating it... |
Zix |
May-30-10 04:05 AM |
#61 |
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You are right. nt |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:17 AM |
#65 |
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It helps eliminate the billionaire capitalist thieves. |
WinkyDink |
May-30-10 07:37 AM |
#77 |
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That should be done under any circumstances. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 08:57 AM |
#83 |
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I think socialism is a good start, but we have to figure out a way to beat |
Jackpine Radical |
May-30-10 09:21 AM |
#91 |
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That's right, it has been a continuous struggle. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 09:50 AM |
#96 |
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it is always a struggle, always has been |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 12:52 PM |
#139 |
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I agree. Many have the fantasy of the poor uprising and setting up a free democracy. This is not |
rhett o rick |
May-30-10 10:09 AM |
#103 |
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This reminds me of something another member once said: |
Usrename |
May-30-10 11:43 AM |
#116 |
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it is hopeless |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 12:55 PM |
#140 |
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Are you interested in discussion or merely mocking? I think Howard Zinn might also put free in |
rhett o rick |
May-30-10 01:28 PM |
#147 |
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you are mocking, not I |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 01:36 PM |
#149 |
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You have to admit, we ain't going to out-Blackwater the bad guys. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 04:24 PM |
#174 |
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More importantly, the tea-baggers are most apt to start a revolution. |
rhett o rick |
May-30-10 09:29 PM |
#186 |
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not a chance |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 10:50 PM |
#192 |
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You are making a common mistake here. |
Usrename |
May-31-10 02:21 AM |
#197 |
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I think that is a great point. The 'baggers are similar to Hitler's Brown Shirts |
rhett o rick |
Jun-01-10 07:46 AM |
#215 |
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You mischaracteize what I say again. Maybe you will understand if I tell you |
rhett o rick |
May-31-10 10:10 AM |
#200 |
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no idea |
William Z. Foster |
May-31-10 04:54 PM |
#206 |
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If you truly want to understand and not just cause trouble, then answer a couple of |
rhett o rick |
May-31-10 11:13 PM |
#214 |
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I don't think there's any up side to that sort of thing for anyone. |
Usrename |
May-31-10 02:17 AM |
#196 |
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Yes maybe I am mocking those that pretend they are interested in revolution. But I wasnt mocking you |
rhett o rick |
May-30-10 09:23 PM |
#185 |
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there aren't any people advocating that |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 10:44 PM |
#191 |
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If you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. nm |
rhett o rick |
May-31-10 10:21 PM |
#213 |
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But the left always pay tribute to virtue by defending the poor. The right can't be bothered even to |
Joe Chi Minh |
May-30-10 10:30 AM |
#107 |
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Even worse, the right wants to criminalize being poor. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 11:44 AM |
#117 |
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where |
Shadow Creature |
May-30-10 05:14 PM |
#180 |
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I don't understand what you mean. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 06:55 PM |
#184 |
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international? |
Shadow Creature |
May-29-10 11:26 PM |
#40 |
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We don't have billionaires lording over the 98% who are poor now? Could've fooled me. nt |
laughingliberal |
May-29-10 11:43 PM |
#41 |
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not really |
Shadow Creature |
May-29-10 11:47 PM |
#42 |
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Well, I'm from the un-fat, un-dumb, and unhappy portion who sees the top 1% stealing us blind. |
laughingliberal |
May-30-10 12:15 AM |
#47 |
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+1, The overlords |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:36 AM |
#68 |
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exactly! |
BobbyBoring |
May-30-10 09:23 AM |
#93 |
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They are blissfully unaware..I could add more |
HillbillyBob |
May-30-10 10:09 AM |
#104 |
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they are in cahoots |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 12:58 PM |
#141 |
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Educate yourself and stop blabbering nonsense. |
tabasco |
May-30-10 09:07 AM |
#86 |
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Have you seen that MoveOn graphic that is going around? Shows the average U.S income at $47K! |
patrice |
May-30-10 12:15 PM |
#121 |
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47K is solid middle class |
Shadow Creature |
May-30-10 05:12 PM |
#179 |
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My point is that an average is not a good measurement of the central tendency of a group |
patrice |
May-31-10 12:42 PM |
#201 |
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Some sources say the MEDIAN U.S. income is less than $30K. |
patrice |
May-30-10 12:17 PM |
#123 |
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huh? |
Hannah Bell |
May-30-10 03:17 AM |
#57 |
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A real 'Shadow Creature'? nt |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:37 AM |
#69 |
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Try Sweden bud. or France even. |
YOY |
May-30-10 08:43 AM |
#81 |
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Huh? Your description sounds just like the textbook definition of capitalism. |
Jamastiene |
May-30-10 09:15 AM |
#88 |
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"Uh"??? Why the tone? You HAD to add that little remark? |
demwing |
May-30-10 09:04 AM |
#85 |
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We already live in a socialist system |
Frank Cannon |
May-30-10 12:22 PM |
#125 |
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Democratic Socialism, of course. It works for much of the civilized world. (NT) |
Tesha |
May-29-10 07:43 PM |
#28 |
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Democracy is the cure for |
safeinOhio |
May-30-10 06:30 AM |
#66 |
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Yup. |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:44 AM |
#70 |
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Regarding free speech..... |
femrap |
May-30-10 01:46 PM |
#152 |
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Yep, there you have it. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 09:11 AM |
#87 |
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Yes, the rulings are un-American! |
Enthusiast |
May-31-10 08:28 AM |
#198 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-29-10 11:09 PM |
#37 |
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. |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 01:54 PM |
#155 |
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the alternative is |
historian |
May-30-10 12:19 PM |
#124 |
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no Capitalism |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 12:39 PM |
#136 |
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I agree. |
Xicano |
May-29-10 09:43 PM |
#36 |
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I say without a deeper sense of daring, we're done for. |
jotsy |
May-29-10 03:57 PM |
#4 |
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Agreed. nt |
glitch |
May-29-10 04:16 PM |
#12 |
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yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 12:41 PM |
#137 |
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Oh, I dunno.... seems like they are offering quite a few personal attacks. |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 05:19 PM |
#181 |
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I bet we are |
DJ13 |
May-29-10 03:59 PM |
#6 |
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I hope they have realized they have to be active |
annm4peace |
May-30-10 12:25 AM |
#49 |
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Because our priorities are not in order |
Taverner |
May-29-10 03:58 PM |
#5 |
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because our politicians are owned by the Rich. |
Odin2005 |
May-29-10 03:59 PM |
#7 |
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the evidence must be hidden, the witnesses must be destroyed |
William Z. Foster |
May-29-10 04:02 PM |
#8 |
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Excellent point. |
Ardent15 |
May-29-10 04:30 PM |
#13 |
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I saw this in Chicago in 1968 |
William Z. Foster |
May-29-10 04:43 PM |
#16 |
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I heard about it from people I knew in Pittsburgh last September |
Kievan Rus |
May-29-10 07:00 PM |
#23 |
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Nice post. nt |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:47 AM |
#71 |
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citizen journalists, phone cams, and YouTube. |
bvar22 |
May-30-10 10:07 AM |
#102 |
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Can you give me an example of one of their defenders here? |
Usrename |
May-30-10 04:35 PM |
#175 |
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and why can someone like meg whitman spend 80 million dollars |
movonne |
May-29-10 04:06 PM |
#9 |
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Did you ever wonder - |
jdlh8894 |
May-29-10 04:15 PM |
#11 |
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that is what we are supposed to believe, yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-29-10 04:46 PM |
#17 |
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You are correct of course. |
Birthmark |
May-29-10 04:09 PM |
#10 |
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temporary is relative |
barbtries |
May-30-10 10:10 AM |
#105 |
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That, too, is correct. |
Birthmark |
May-30-10 05:20 PM |
#182 |
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Something about those on welfare |
KT2000 |
May-29-10 04:36 PM |
#14 |
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Electing Reagan was the worst thing that ever happened in this country. |
Initech |
May-29-10 04:42 PM |
#15 |
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I agree 110% on that |
Kievan Rus |
May-29-10 07:15 PM |
#25 |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
May-30-10 12:01 AM |
#46 |
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I watched it happen. |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:54 AM |
#72 |
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+1. nt |
Lorien |
May-30-10 03:28 PM |
#166 |
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Indeed. The Reaganites are responsible for the "me first, profit is our only God, |
Lorien |
May-30-10 03:27 PM |
#165 |
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Because we have a democartic party... |
vi5 |
May-29-10 06:35 PM |
#19 |
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At least they ask us to sacrifice while the republicans expect it... |
WCGreen |
May-30-10 03:39 AM |
#59 |
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Because we still run things like they did in the Middle Ages. |
Cleita |
May-29-10 06:38 PM |
#21 |
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Why? Because, at least in the case of poor folk, Because Others Don't Speak Out For Us. |
bobbolink |
May-29-10 07:06 PM |
#24 |
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I think there are plenty on DU... |
vi5 |
May-29-10 08:10 PM |
#29 |
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That's not reality. |
bobbolink |
May-29-10 08:33 PM |
#30 |
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Because...... |
Gaedel |
May-30-10 05:19 AM |
#62 |
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While true, we can't sit and wait for Utopia... too many people are suffering and dying. |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 01:18 PM |
#146 |
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Sure. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 04:41 PM |
#176 |
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Care to provide any evidence? /nt |
demwing |
May-30-10 09:01 AM |
#84 |
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Curious here: "it just ain't there", so where is it? or where might it be? |
patrice |
May-30-10 12:10 PM |
#120 |
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I hear you saying "this is not an attack", but I need to say that your wording is quite |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 01:06 PM |
#143 |
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haves versus the have nots |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 01:13 PM |
#145 |
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That is exactly right, and what I keep saying. |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 01:53 PM |
#154 |
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Your perception of my words is also in your head. What I suggest is a very real possibility on the |
patrice |
May-30-10 02:06 PM |
#158 |
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You'd be surprised |
Hydra |
May-30-10 12:17 AM |
#48 |
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When their shoes become tight they will speak out. |
unapatriciated |
May-30-10 08:39 AM |
#80 |
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Yes, this should be the top priority |
Scruffy1 |
May-30-10 02:58 AM |
#54 |
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Yes, this should be the top priority |
Scruffy1 |
May-30-10 02:58 AM |
#55 |
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It is WORSE than you stated in the OP. |
bvar22 |
May-29-10 07:23 PM |
#26 |
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Yes! Corporate predators |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 07:00 AM |
#73 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-29-10 07:31 PM |
#27 |
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Here is a little incite. |
county worker |
May-29-10 09:32 PM |
#33 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-29-10 11:20 PM |
#38 |
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agree...... |
gblady |
May-30-10 09:21 AM |
#90 |
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"It isn't the wealthy it's us sitting here typing our complaints on a board. Who will hear us?" |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 02:00 PM |
#157 |
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That is either a rhetorical question, or it's time to view the first 20 minutes of this- |
MrMickeysMom |
May-29-10 09:40 PM |
#35 |
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true but |
Shadow Creature |
May-29-10 11:22 PM |
#39 |
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Something has been wrong since Repukes ripped up the US Constitution |
Rex |
May-29-10 11:48 PM |
#43 |
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The wealthy have recruited shock troops to confuse and muddy the waters. |
Starry Messenger |
May-29-10 11:57 PM |
#44 |
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hear, hear... |
maryf |
May-30-10 10:02 AM |
#99 |
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left gives free speech free ride to corporate america on 1000 radio stations |
certainot |
May-29-10 11:58 PM |
#45 |
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Right on! nt |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 07:04 AM |
#74 |
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Sit ins at all the media... |
maryf |
May-30-10 10:03 AM |
#100 |
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just |
certainot |
May-30-10 09:39 PM |
#187 |
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you can tell a lot about a society by looking at what it values . . . |
OneBlueSky |
May-30-10 02:39 AM |
#50 |
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Here's an idea: time to elect classic Democrats again, instead of corporatist DLCers |
Bluebear |
May-30-10 02:54 AM |
#53 |
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Oh NO!! They. Could. NOT. Possibly. Do. Anything. Right. Or. Useful!!! |
patrice |
May-30-10 12:25 PM |
#126 |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
May-30-10 03:15 AM |
#56 |
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It's fairly easy... |
WCGreen |
May-30-10 03:33 AM |
#58 |
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No financial benefit |
Gaedel |
May-30-10 05:39 AM |
#63 |
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Priorities are askew. |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:16 AM |
#64 |
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You are right, but we have come to terms |
Enthusiast |
May-30-10 06:33 AM |
#67 |
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Because they can get away with it. The poor can't fight back. |
southernyankeebelle |
May-30-10 07:33 AM |
#75 |
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Because the Wealthy must be kept happy at all costs |
n2doc |
May-30-10 07:46 AM |
#78 |
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How about democratic socialism? |
starzdust |
May-30-10 08:11 AM |
#79 |
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America's long time image is looking more and more like an illusion. We are a sad joke. |
glinda |
May-30-10 08:47 AM |
#82 |
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Comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted |
SoxFan |
May-30-10 09:18 AM |
#89 |
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It might not be fair, but it is right, a far-right ideology that is devouring our society, our |
indepat |
May-30-10 09:21 AM |
#92 |
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You forgot . . . their paying the cost of our military, too. |
caseymoz |
May-30-10 09:43 AM |
#94 |
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Why? Because |
SoCalDem |
May-30-10 09:47 AM |
#95 |
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rich sould pay their fare share |
karmkay |
May-30-10 10:01 AM |
#97 |
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unfortunately, neither is this new |
barbtries |
May-30-10 10:01 AM |
#98 |
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Why? Because we have a major social system devoted to slavery: Religion. |
patrice |
May-30-10 10:06 AM |
#101 |
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Yep, I always think of religion as one of themain causes of |
truedelphi |
May-30-10 01:38 PM |
#150 |
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I constantly test that perception and continue to find it valid. It's the perfect justification for |
patrice |
May-30-10 02:11 PM |
#159 |
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It must be really nice for the "religous" among us to see everything |
truedelphi |
May-30-10 02:20 PM |
#160 |
| -
Predatory Capitalism |
The Wizard |
May-30-10 10:31 AM |
#108 |
| -
If they can get away with |
Ho Tai |
May-30-10 10:41 AM |
#109 |
| -
Exactly! A phrase like "social justice" or "empathy".... |
Ardent15 |
May-30-10 12:25 PM |
#127 |
| -
I know that regulation is nessasary, |
Corrupted Edge |
May-30-10 10:57 AM |
#112 |
| -
Why? #2 It is possible that because an issue, poverty in this case, is not addressed in the specific |
patrice |
May-30-10 11:13 AM |
#113 |
| -
We poor are in a class warfare..... |
SILVER__FOX52 |
May-30-10 11:58 AM |
#119 |
| -
Welcome to DU, SILVER__FOX52! |
bobbolink |
May-30-10 05:30 PM |
#183 |
| -
Back at ya. |
SILVER__FOX52 |
May-31-10 05:57 PM |
#208 |
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Yes. And there are warriors and then there are warriors and I think it is possible to be an |
patrice |
May-31-10 12:59 PM |
#202 |
| -
Unjust. Agreed. |
Laelth |
May-30-10 12:17 PM |
#122 |
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Because taking care of the poor and needy is considered "feminine" |
jmondine |
May-30-10 12:26 PM |
#129 |
| -
Yep. Masculinity does NOT equal selfishness, ruthlessness, and greediness |
Ardent15 |
May-30-10 12:28 PM |
#131 |
| -
Excellent! Excellent! point. and perhaps one of the reasons men need "enhancement" so badly |
patrice |
May-30-10 12:32 PM |
#133 |
| -
Unfortunately the part of that that most latch on to is "protecting our own" |
Lorien |
May-30-10 03:44 PM |
#172 |
| -
I believe that to the macho mindset, "protecting our own" is just an excuse. |
jmondine |
May-31-10 01:14 PM |
#204 |
| -
dont forget viagra!! |
historian |
May-31-10 07:55 PM |
#211 |
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The fact is, many of the wealthy - not all, of course - only got that way |
Vinca |
May-30-10 12:29 PM |
#132 |
| -
the system demands it |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 01:40 PM |
#151 |
| -
I'm sure there are no statistics on this but I'd be willing to |
Fire1 |
May-30-10 02:36 PM |
#161 |
| -
The people you listed are being paid by the public... |
Imajika |
May-30-10 12:38 PM |
#135 |
| -
this I cannot understand |
William Z. Foster |
May-30-10 01:09 PM |
#144 |
| -
There is a huge problem with your analysis. An error. |
Usrename |
May-30-10 04:55 PM |
#177 |
| -
That growth has not reached the majority of Americans yet.. |
Imajika |
May-30-10 10:17 PM |
#189 |
| -
who is "we?" |
William Z. Foster |
May-31-10 01:47 AM |
#193 |
| -
Wrong, Completely wrong. |
Usrename |
May-31-10 02:04 AM |
#194 |
| -
Toon here as an example of what's wrong with USA |
Bryn |
May-30-10 12:44 PM |
#138 |
| -
good one! |
Rosa Luxemburg |
May-30-10 01:51 PM |
#153 |
| -
Because our elected representatives, for the most part, have decided to |
kestrel91316 |
May-30-10 01:00 PM |
#142 |
| -
I so agree with you... |
femrap |
May-30-10 01:31 PM |
#148 |
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the revolutions of previous centuries have mostly led to more capitalism? |
Rosa Luxemburg |
May-30-10 01:57 PM |
#156 |
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if you want to see how much disparity there is |
DesertFlower |
May-30-10 03:13 PM |
#163 |
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Here, have a million dollar ice cream cone: |
Lorien |
May-30-10 03:31 PM |
#167 |
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Hell, just turn on QVC and watch the $500. bracelets fly day after day after day . . . |
patrice |
May-31-10 01:04 PM |
#203 |
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Agreed |
colsohlibgal |
May-30-10 03:16 PM |
#164 |
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How often do Dems even mention the homeless and unemployed any more -- ???? |
defendandprotect |
May-30-10 03:33 PM |
#168 |
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Never. To them they don't exist. The "Middle class" is the new "poor" |
Lorien |
May-30-10 03:37 PM |
#169 |
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Corporate Predators are POS |
Duchess |
May-30-10 03:38 PM |
#170 |
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The deficit shouldn't exist in the first place |
Ardent15 |
May-30-10 03:39 PM |
#171 |
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Because |
Duchess |
May-30-10 04:04 PM |
#173 |
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What if we were to tax wealth instead of income? |
Usrename |
May-30-10 04:58 PM |
#178 |
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What I mean by Fair Tax |
Duchess |
May-31-10 03:00 PM |
#205 |
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not true |
William Z. Foster |
May-31-10 05:11 PM |
#207 |
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Mathematically that is a regressive system. |
Usrename |
May-31-10 08:59 PM |
#212 |
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because the gov officials and employees don't want to take a pay cut. |
mynameiswhat |
May-30-10 09:57 PM |
#188 |
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I think much of it is because the US citizens are self absorbed, disinterested, hateful, stupid,and |
TheKentuckian |
May-30-10 10:24 PM |
#190 |
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IMHO The Root Cause is the GOP ....Their GREED and GUTTONY |
opihimoimoi |
May-31-10 02:07 AM |
#195 |
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Great post--I wish I could rec this. nt |
raccoon |
May-31-10 08:31 AM |
#199 |
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