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36. I agree.
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  -Something is seriously wrong in our society Ardent15  May-29-10 03:50 PM   #0 
  - Time to party like it's 1789  arcadian   May-29-10 03:52 PM   #1 
  - +1  readmoreoften   May-29-10 06:36 PM   #20 
  - Because we are not represented by our Government,as you know they represent...  sasquuatch55   May-30-10 10:12 AM   #106 
     - +1  MissDeeds   May-30-10 11:42 AM   #115 
     - Bingo! That is exactly right.  driver8   May-30-10 12:26 PM   #130 
        - It's all about Election Fraud, fraudulent representatives, Proposition votes manipulated...see #209  tiptoe   May-31-10 07:47 PM   #210 
  - +1  leftstreet   May-29-10 09:33 PM   #34 
  - +1  Sherman A1   May-30-10 02:39 AM   #51 
  - more like 1775  pundaint   May-30-10 02:52 AM   #52 
  - I believe the 1789 allusion includes the guillotine. :-)  WinkyDink   May-30-10 07:35 AM   #76 
     - OK, I'm in.  pundaint   May-30-10 11:27 AM   #114 
  - 1917  JVS   May-30-10 03:48 AM   #60 
  - I've sometimes tried to explain that angle to the 'trickle down' types  unpossibles   May-30-10 10:45 AM   #110 
  - fortunately for the haves, americans have teevee.  pansypoo53219   May-30-10 12:25 PM   #128 
  - Allons enfants de la paaaaatrie. . .  Lena inRI   May-30-10 12:38 PM   #134 
  - More like 1776...  awoke_in_2003   May-30-10 02:58 PM   #162 
  - 1789 didn't have ELECTION FRAUD favoring the RIGHT-WING almost 100% (like today). Check it out:  tiptoe   May-31-10 06:32 PM   #209 
  - Perhaps we are finally coming to the point where the masses will start to wake  NC_Nurse   May-29-10 03:53 PM   #2 
  - The entire world is starting to wake up, and see that capitalism is NOT ON THEIR SIDE.  secondwind   May-29-10 03:56 PM   #3 
  - and the alternative is......?  Tejas   May-29-10 04:51 PM   #18 
  - Uh. The alternative is called international socialism.  readmoreoften   May-29-10 06:38 PM   #22 
  - Eliminating capitalism doesn't guarantee liberty or justice.  Usrename   May-29-10 08:49 PM   #31 
  - Shhh, they hating hearing that little fact.  proteus_lives   May-29-10 09:31 PM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 10:49 AM   #111 
     - That's nice how you include a strawman with your ad hominem.  Usrename   May-30-10 11:48 AM   #118 
  - No does perpetuating it...  Zix   May-30-10 04:05 AM   #61 
  - You are right. nt  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:17 AM   #65 
  - It helps eliminate the billionaire capitalist thieves.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 07:37 AM   #77 
  - That should be done under any circumstances.  Usrename   May-30-10 08:57 AM   #83 
  - I think socialism is a good start, but we have to figure out a way to beat  Jackpine Radical   May-30-10 09:21 AM   #91 
  - That's right, it has been a continuous struggle.  Usrename   May-30-10 09:50 AM   #96 
  - it is always a struggle, always has been  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 12:52 PM   #139 
  - I agree. Many have the fantasy of the poor uprising and setting up a free democracy. This is not  rhett o rick   May-30-10 10:09 AM   #103 
  - This reminds me of something another member once said:  Usrename   May-30-10 11:43 AM   #116 
  - it is hopeless  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 12:55 PM   #140 
     - Are you interested in discussion or merely mocking? I think Howard Zinn might also put free in  rhett o rick   May-30-10 01:28 PM   #147 
        - you are mocking, not I  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 01:36 PM   #149 
           - You have to admit, we ain't going to out-Blackwater the bad guys.  Usrename   May-30-10 04:24 PM   #174 
           - More importantly, the tea-baggers are most apt to start a revolution.  rhett o rick   May-30-10 09:29 PM   #186 
              - not a chance  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 10:50 PM   #192 
              - You are making a common mistake here.  Usrename   May-31-10 02:21 AM   #197 
              - I think that is a great point. The 'baggers are similar to Hitler's Brown Shirts  rhett o rick   Jun-01-10 07:46 AM   #215 
              - You mischaracteize what I say again. Maybe you will understand if I tell you  rhett o rick   May-31-10 10:10 AM   #200 
                 - no idea  William Z. Foster   May-31-10 04:54 PM   #206 
                    - If you truly want to understand and not just cause trouble, then answer a couple of  rhett o rick   May-31-10 11:13 PM   #214 
              - I don't think there's any up side to that sort of thing for anyone.  Usrename   May-31-10 02:17 AM   #196 
           - Yes maybe I am mocking those that pretend they are interested in revolution. But I wasnt mocking you  rhett o rick   May-30-10 09:23 PM   #185 
              - there aren't any people advocating that  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 10:44 PM   #191 
                 - If you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. nm  rhett o rick   May-31-10 10:21 PM   #213 
  - But the left always pay tribute to virtue by defending the poor. The right can't be bothered even to  Joe Chi Minh   May-30-10 10:30 AM   #107 
  - Even worse, the right wants to criminalize being poor.  Usrename   May-30-10 11:44 AM   #117 
  - where  Shadow Creature   May-30-10 05:14 PM   #180 
     - I don't understand what you mean.  Usrename   May-30-10 06:55 PM   #184 
  - international?  Shadow Creature   May-29-10 11:26 PM   #40 
  - We don't have billionaires lording over the 98% who are poor now? Could've fooled me. nt  laughingliberal   May-29-10 11:43 PM   #41 
  - not really  Shadow Creature   May-29-10 11:47 PM   #42 
     - Well, I'm from the un-fat, un-dumb, and unhappy portion who sees the top 1% stealing us blind.  laughingliberal   May-30-10 12:15 AM   #47 
     - +1, The overlords  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:36 AM   #68 
     - exactly!  BobbyBoring   May-30-10 09:23 AM   #93 
     - They are blissfully unaware..I could add more  HillbillyBob   May-30-10 10:09 AM   #104 
     - they are in cahoots  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 12:58 PM   #141 
     - Educate yourself and stop blabbering nonsense.  tabasco   May-30-10 09:07 AM   #86 
        - Have you seen that MoveOn graphic that is going around? Shows the average U.S income at $47K!  patrice   May-30-10 12:15 PM   #121 
        - 47K is solid middle class  Shadow Creature   May-30-10 05:12 PM   #179 
           - My point is that an average is not a good measurement of the central tendency of a group  patrice   May-31-10 12:42 PM   #201 
        - Some sources say the MEDIAN U.S. income is less than $30K.  patrice   May-30-10 12:17 PM   #123 
  - huh?  Hannah Bell   May-30-10 03:17 AM   #57 
  - A real 'Shadow Creature'? nt  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:37 AM   #69 
  - Try Sweden bud. or France even.  YOY   May-30-10 08:43 AM   #81 
  - Huh? Your description sounds just like the textbook definition of capitalism.  Jamastiene   May-30-10 09:15 AM   #88 
  - "Uh"??? Why the tone? You HAD to add that little remark?  demwing   May-30-10 09:04 AM   #85 
  - We already live in a socialist system  Frank Cannon   May-30-10 12:22 PM   #125 
  - Democratic Socialism, of course. It works for much of the civilized world. (NT)  Tesha   May-29-10 07:43 PM   #28 
  - Democracy is the cure for  safeinOhio   May-30-10 06:30 AM   #66 
     - Yup.  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:44 AM   #70 
     - Regarding free speech.....  femrap   May-30-10 01:46 PM   #152 
     - Yep, there you have it.  Usrename   May-30-10 09:11 AM   #87 
        - Yes, the rulings are un-American!  Enthusiast   May-31-10 08:28 AM   #198 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-29-10 11:09 PM   #37 
  - .  bobbolink   May-30-10 01:54 PM   #155 
  - the alternative is  historian   May-30-10 12:19 PM   #124 
  - no Capitalism  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 12:39 PM   #136 
  - I agree.  Xicano   May-29-10 09:43 PM   #36 
  - I say without a deeper sense of daring, we're done for.  jotsy   May-29-10 03:57 PM   #4 
  - Agreed. nt  glitch   May-29-10 04:16 PM   #12 
  - yes  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 12:41 PM   #137 
     - Oh, I dunno.... seems like they are offering quite a few personal attacks.  bobbolink   May-30-10 05:19 PM   #181 
  - I bet we are  DJ13   May-29-10 03:59 PM   #6 
  - I hope they have realized they have to be active  annm4peace   May-30-10 12:25 AM   #49 
  - Because our priorities are not in order  Taverner   May-29-10 03:58 PM   #5 
  - because our politicians are owned by the Rich.  Odin2005   May-29-10 03:59 PM   #7 
  - the evidence must be hidden, the witnesses must be destroyed  William Z. Foster   May-29-10 04:02 PM   #8 
  - Excellent point.  Ardent15   May-29-10 04:30 PM   #13 
     - I saw this in Chicago in 1968  William Z. Foster   May-29-10 04:43 PM   #16 
        - I heard about it from people I knew in Pittsburgh last September  Kievan Rus   May-29-10 07:00 PM   #23 
        - Nice post. nt  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:47 AM   #71 
        - citizen journalists, phone cams, and YouTube.  bvar22   May-30-10 10:07 AM   #102 
        - Can you give me an example of one of their defenders here?  Usrename   May-30-10 04:35 PM   #175 
  - and why can someone like meg whitman spend 80 million dollars  movonne   May-29-10 04:06 PM   #9 
  - Did you ever wonder -  jdlh8894   May-29-10 04:15 PM   #11 
  - that is what we are supposed to believe, yes  William Z. Foster   May-29-10 04:46 PM   #17 
  - You are correct of course.  Birthmark   May-29-10 04:09 PM   #10 
  - temporary is relative  barbtries   May-30-10 10:10 AM   #105 
     - That, too, is correct.  Birthmark   May-30-10 05:20 PM   #182 
  - Something about those on welfare  KT2000   May-29-10 04:36 PM   #14 
  - Electing Reagan was the worst thing that ever happened in this country.  Initech   May-29-10 04:42 PM   #15 
  - I agree 110% on that  Kievan Rus   May-29-10 07:15 PM   #25 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   May-30-10 12:01 AM   #46 
  - I watched it happen.  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:54 AM   #72 
  - +1. nt  Lorien   May-30-10 03:28 PM   #166 
  - Indeed. The Reaganites are responsible for the "me first, profit is our only God,  Lorien   May-30-10 03:27 PM   #165 
  - Because we have a democartic party...  vi5   May-29-10 06:35 PM   #19 
  - At least they ask us to sacrifice while the republicans expect it...  WCGreen   May-30-10 03:39 AM   #59 
  - Because we still run things like they did in the Middle Ages.  Cleita   May-29-10 06:38 PM   #21 
  - Why? Because, at least in the case of poor folk, Because Others Don't Speak Out For Us.  bobbolink   May-29-10 07:06 PM   #24 
  - I think there are plenty on DU...  vi5   May-29-10 08:10 PM   #29 
  - That's not reality.  bobbolink   May-29-10 08:33 PM   #30 
  - Because......  Gaedel   May-30-10 05:19 AM   #62 
  - While true, we can't sit and wait for Utopia... too many people are suffering and dying.  bobbolink   May-30-10 01:18 PM   #146 
  - Sure.  Usrename   May-30-10 04:41 PM   #176 
  - Care to provide any evidence? /nt  demwing   May-30-10 09:01 AM   #84 
  - Curious here: "it just ain't there", so where is it? or where might it be?  patrice   May-30-10 12:10 PM   #120 
     - I hear you saying "this is not an attack", but I need to say that your wording is quite  bobbolink   May-30-10 01:06 PM   #143 
        - haves versus the have nots  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 01:13 PM   #145 
        - That is exactly right, and what I keep saying.  bobbolink   May-30-10 01:53 PM   #154 
        - Your perception of my words is also in your head. What I suggest is a very real possibility on the  patrice   May-30-10 02:06 PM   #158 
  - You'd be surprised  Hydra   May-30-10 12:17 AM   #48 
     - When their shoes become tight they will speak out.  unapatriciated   May-30-10 08:39 AM   #80 
  - Yes, this should be the top priority  Scruffy1   May-30-10 02:58 AM   #54 
  - Yes, this should be the top priority  Scruffy1   May-30-10 02:58 AM   #55 
  - It is WORSE than you stated in the OP.  bvar22   May-29-10 07:23 PM   #26 
  - Yes! Corporate predators  Enthusiast   May-30-10 07:00 AM   #73 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-29-10 07:31 PM   #27 
  - Here is a little incite.  county worker   May-29-10 09:32 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-29-10 11:20 PM   #38 
  - agree......  gblady   May-30-10 09:21 AM   #90 
  - "It isn't the wealthy it's us sitting here typing our complaints on a board. Who will hear us?"  bobbolink   May-30-10 02:00 PM   #157 
  - That is either a rhetorical question, or it's time to view the first 20 minutes of this-  MrMickeysMom   May-29-10 09:40 PM   #35 
  - true but  Shadow Creature   May-29-10 11:22 PM   #39 
  - Something has been wrong since Repukes ripped up the US Constitution  Rex   May-29-10 11:48 PM   #43 
  - The wealthy have recruited shock troops to confuse and muddy the waters.  Starry Messenger   May-29-10 11:57 PM   #44 
  - hear, hear...  maryf   May-30-10 10:02 AM   #99 
  - left gives free speech free ride to corporate america on 1000 radio stations  certainot   May-29-10 11:58 PM   #45 
  - Right on! nt  Enthusiast   May-30-10 07:04 AM   #74 
  - Sit ins at all the media...  maryf   May-30-10 10:03 AM   #100 
     - just  certainot   May-30-10 09:39 PM   #187 
  - you can tell a lot about a society by looking at what it values . . .  OneBlueSky   May-30-10 02:39 AM   #50 
  - Here's an idea: time to elect classic Democrats again, instead of corporatist DLCers  Bluebear   May-30-10 02:54 AM   #53 
  - Oh NO!! They. Could. NOT. Possibly. Do. Anything. Right. Or. Useful!!!  patrice   May-30-10 12:25 PM   #126 
  - +100  Hannah Bell   May-30-10 03:15 AM   #56 
  - It's fairly easy...  WCGreen   May-30-10 03:33 AM   #58 
  - No financial benefit  Gaedel   May-30-10 05:39 AM   #63 
  - Priorities are askew.  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:16 AM   #64 
  - You are right, but we have come to terms  Enthusiast   May-30-10 06:33 AM   #67 
  - Because they can get away with it. The poor can't fight back.  southernyankeebelle   May-30-10 07:33 AM   #75 
  - Because the Wealthy must be kept happy at all costs  n2doc   May-30-10 07:46 AM   #78 
  - How about democratic socialism?  starzdust   May-30-10 08:11 AM   #79 
  - America's long time image is looking more and more like an illusion. We are a sad joke.  glinda   May-30-10 08:47 AM   #82 
  - Comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted  SoxFan   May-30-10 09:18 AM   #89 
  - It might not be fair, but it is right, a far-right ideology that is devouring our society, our  indepat   May-30-10 09:21 AM   #92 
  - You forgot . . . their paying the cost of our military, too.  caseymoz   May-30-10 09:43 AM   #94 
  - Why? Because  SoCalDem   May-30-10 09:47 AM   #95 
  - rich sould pay their fare share  karmkay   May-30-10 10:01 AM   #97 
  - unfortunately, neither is this new  barbtries   May-30-10 10:01 AM   #98 
  - Why? Because we have a major social system devoted to slavery: Religion.  patrice   May-30-10 10:06 AM   #101 
  - Yep, I always think of religion as one of themain causes of  truedelphi   May-30-10 01:38 PM   #150 
     - I constantly test that perception and continue to find it valid. It's the perfect justification for  patrice   May-30-10 02:11 PM   #159 
        - It must be really nice for the "religous" among us to see everything  truedelphi   May-30-10 02:20 PM   #160 
  - Predatory Capitalism  The Wizard   May-30-10 10:31 AM   #108 
  - If they can get away with  Ho Tai   May-30-10 10:41 AM   #109 
  - Exactly! A phrase like "social justice" or "empathy"....  Ardent15   May-30-10 12:25 PM   #127 
  - I know that regulation is nessasary,  Corrupted Edge   May-30-10 10:57 AM   #112 
  - Why? #2 It is possible that because an issue, poverty in this case, is not addressed in the specific  patrice   May-30-10 11:13 AM   #113 
  - We poor are in a class warfare.....  SILVER__FOX52   May-30-10 11:58 AM   #119 
  - Welcome to DU, SILVER__FOX52!  bobbolink   May-30-10 05:30 PM   #183 
  - Back at ya.  SILVER__FOX52   May-31-10 05:57 PM   #208 
  - Yes. And there are warriors and then there are warriors and I think it is possible to be an  patrice   May-31-10 12:59 PM   #202 
  - Unjust. Agreed.  Laelth   May-30-10 12:17 PM   #122 
  - Because taking care of the poor and needy is considered "feminine"  jmondine   May-30-10 12:26 PM   #129 
  - Yep. Masculinity does NOT equal selfishness, ruthlessness, and greediness  Ardent15   May-30-10 12:28 PM   #131 
  - Excellent! Excellent! point. and perhaps one of the reasons men need "enhancement" so badly  patrice   May-30-10 12:32 PM   #133 
  - Unfortunately the part of that that most latch on to is "protecting our own"  Lorien   May-30-10 03:44 PM   #172 
  - I believe that to the macho mindset, "protecting our own" is just an excuse.  jmondine   May-31-10 01:14 PM   #204 
  - dont forget viagra!!  historian   May-31-10 07:55 PM   #211 
  - The fact is, many of the wealthy - not all, of course - only got that way  Vinca   May-30-10 12:29 PM   #132 
  - the system demands it  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 01:40 PM   #151 
  - I'm sure there are no statistics on this but I'd be willing to  Fire1   May-30-10 02:36 PM   #161 
  - The people you listed are being paid by the public...  Imajika   May-30-10 12:38 PM   #135 
  - this I cannot understand  William Z. Foster   May-30-10 01:09 PM   #144 
  - There is a huge problem with your analysis. An error.  Usrename   May-30-10 04:55 PM   #177 
     - That growth has not reached the majority of Americans yet..  Imajika   May-30-10 10:17 PM   #189 
        - who is "we?"  William Z. Foster   May-31-10 01:47 AM   #193 
        - Wrong, Completely wrong.  Usrename   May-31-10 02:04 AM   #194 
  - Toon here as an example of what's wrong with USA  Bryn   May-30-10 12:44 PM   #138 
  - good one!  Rosa Luxemburg   May-30-10 01:51 PM   #153 
  - Because our elected representatives, for the most part, have decided to  kestrel91316   May-30-10 01:00 PM   #142 
  - I so agree with you...  femrap   May-30-10 01:31 PM   #148 
  - the revolutions of previous centuries have mostly led to more capitalism?  Rosa Luxemburg   May-30-10 01:57 PM   #156 
  - if you want to see how much disparity there is  DesertFlower   May-30-10 03:13 PM   #163 
  - Here, have a million dollar ice cream cone:  Lorien   May-30-10 03:31 PM   #167 
  - Hell, just turn on QVC and watch the $500. bracelets fly day after day after day . . .  patrice   May-31-10 01:04 PM   #203 
  - Agreed  colsohlibgal   May-30-10 03:16 PM   #164 
  - How often do Dems even mention the homeless and unemployed any more -- ????  defendandprotect   May-30-10 03:33 PM   #168 
  - Never. To them they don't exist. The "Middle class" is the new "poor"  Lorien   May-30-10 03:37 PM   #169 
  - Corporate Predators are POS  Duchess   May-30-10 03:38 PM   #170 
  - The deficit shouldn't exist in the first place  Ardent15   May-30-10 03:39 PM   #171 
     - Because  Duchess   May-30-10 04:04 PM   #173 
        - What if we were to tax wealth instead of income?  Usrename   May-30-10 04:58 PM   #178 
           - What I mean by Fair Tax  Duchess   May-31-10 03:00 PM   #205 
              - not true  William Z. Foster   May-31-10 05:11 PM   #207 
              - Mathematically that is a regressive system.  Usrename   May-31-10 08:59 PM   #212 
  - because the gov officials and employees don't want to take a pay cut.  mynameiswhat   May-30-10 09:57 PM   #188 
  - I think much of it is because the US citizens are self absorbed, disinterested, hateful, stupid,and  TheKentuckian   May-30-10 10:24 PM   #190 
  - IMHO The Root Cause is the GOP ....Their GREED and GUTTONY  opihimoimoi   May-31-10 02:07 AM   #195 
  - Great post--I wish I could rec this. nt  raccoon   May-31-10 08:31 AM   #199 
 

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