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Response to Reply #31
45. What is TAUGHT is most important.
Edited on Fri May-28-10 09:21 PM by elleng
And going VERY public, questionable.
And in any case, the school has the RIGHT to fire her.
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  -Math teacher fired from catholic school because she facebooked that she didn't believe in God Liberal_in_LA  May-28-10 05:56 PM   #0 
  - A Catholic school is all about belief in a catholic god. Goodbye,atheist teacher.  The Wielding Truth   May-28-10 06:02 PM   #1 
  - So you're fine with firing someone for their private beliefs?  laconicsax   May-28-10 06:51 PM   #16 
  - Certainly.  elleng   May-28-10 07:00 PM   #26 
  - How far do you extend that opinion?  laconicsax   May-28-10 07:11 PM   #31 
  - What is TAUGHT is most important.  elleng   May-28-10 09:19 PM   #45 
  - So what were the students taught? That those who believe differently are to be shunned...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 01:50 AM   #101 
  - if the teeacher does not uphold the ideals ( however fucked up they may be) of the private school...  Tailormyst   May-28-10 09:38 PM   #55 
     - I guess there is such a thing as thought-crime. n/t  laconicsax   May-29-10 12:22 AM   #82 
     - actually...  Caliman73   May-29-10 12:56 AM   #90 
        - Good analysis; thanks.  elleng   May-29-10 01:04 AM   #92 
        - And again someone blaming the victim compares saying, "no" to something more severe.  laconicsax   May-30-10 12:31 AM   #178 
     - Right. And the particular 'ideal' she does not 'uphold' is CENTRAL.  elleng   May-29-10 12:43 AM   #87 
        - The "fucked up" part was not aimed at the one in this case  Tailormyst   May-29-10 09:54 AM   #115 
  - They have the right to do it, but is it the right thing to do?  TommyO   May-28-10 07:21 PM   #37 
  - Certainly teaches a lesson, that is, don't be STUPID about beliefs.  elleng   May-28-10 09:22 PM   #46 
     - Yes, by all means don't be honest - be covert. Don't Ask-Don't Tell? eom  ShortnFiery   May-28-10 11:57 PM   #62 
     - You got that wrong, with no reason to do so;  elleng   May-29-10 12:08 AM   #76 
        - Why do some of you folks always take "authority's side" over the afflicted?  ShortnFiery   May-29-10 12:10 AM   #78 
           - Fuck'em, its "Holy Mother Church" they must protect it...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:16 AM   #80 
           - Some facts, just to fuck up your perception  JNelson6563   May-30-10 07:14 AM   #191 
              - They didn't ask, she didn't tell.  PassingFair   May-30-10 10:54 AM   #203 
           - FACEBOOK!  elleng   May-29-10 12:39 AM   #84 
           - The fact is, it doesn't matter, if she wasn't disruptive in the classroom, what business...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:41 AM   #85 
              - She has opened to very public discussion  elleng   May-29-10 01:02 AM   #91 
                 - I would agree if she was in charge of religious instruction...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 01:04 AM   #94 
           - You favor AZ's wretched 1070 law  Seneca   May-29-10 01:15 AM   #96 
           - Facebook isn't private  marions ghost   May-29-10 07:46 AM   #109 
           - I find it disturbing too how so many blame the victim. Conservatives do this 100% of the time...  AnArmyVeteran   May-29-10 12:28 PM   #133 
              - Lemme tell you sump'n!  timtom   May-29-10 06:38 PM   #144 
                 - Bad example, it wasn't illegal to be a communist, even in the Marines...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 08:40 PM   #156 
                 - I was not even an American citizen when I became a US soldier...  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 01:13 AM   #182 
     - Certainly teaches something else, Catholic Beliefs are toxic, bigoted, and without...  Cleobulus   May-28-10 11:57 PM   #63 
  - Following your logic then a lunch counter in the South can DENY service to both ...  ShortnFiery   May-28-10 11:56 PM   #61 
  - Good job of twisting things around, Shorty;  elleng   May-29-10 12:48 AM   #89 
     - I was extending your logic. Not disrespect, request consideration? eom  ShortnFiery   May-29-10 01:31 AM   #98 
        - 'Apology' accepted, Shorty;  elleng   May-29-10 01:40 AM   #100 
  - Some of the people's tax money goes to support of private schools.  olegramps   May-29-10 08:31 AM   #112 
  - Prolly not; this is a Catholic school.  elleng   May-30-10 12:50 PM   #214 
  - Oh yeah what law? Certainly not this one.  Xicano   May-30-10 03:45 AM   #187 
     - Not at all relevant.  elleng   May-30-10 12:55 PM   #215 
  - It's a religious school...............  Tailormyst   May-28-10 09:35 PM   #53 
  - Do Not whine, Sir, When a Catholic is Fired For Going To Mass On Sunday  The Magistrate   May-28-10 06:58 PM   #23 
  - Catholic math: 1 god divided by 3 = 1; atheists just don't get it  REP   May-29-10 12:43 AM   #88 
  - ok... can public schools kick out religious teachers?  fascisthunter   May-29-10 10:51 AM   #123 
  - A Private school is a business.  ZombieHorde   May-29-10 08:17 PM   #145 
  - It's a job as a math teacher. If that's the case, I want Catholic teachers fired from public schools  readmoreoften   May-29-10 08:32 PM   #149 
  - +1  laconicsax   May-30-10 12:12 AM   #177 
  - The celebratory tone has been noted! "Woo hoo! We score! Yankees suck! Go team!"  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-30-10 11:43 AM   #211 
  - private school. thinking that was stupid, if she wanted to keep her job.  seabeyond   May-28-10 06:04 PM   #2 
  - Go teach in one of the godless public schools  treestar   May-28-10 06:04 PM   #3 
  - The public schools could probably use her n/t  Mimosa   May-28-10 06:53 PM   #19 
     - +1000  NeoGreen   May-28-10 07:07 PM   #30 
  - Not a very bright teacher (nt)  The Straight Story   May-28-10 06:06 PM   #4 
  - Smarter than all the others in the school.  HiFructosePronSyrup   May-28-10 06:09 PM   #8 
     - Dumb enough to post it on FB, and are you saying belief in god = person is stupid? (ie, is Obama a  The Straight Story   May-28-10 06:11 PM   #9 
     - lulz  HiFructosePronSyrup   May-28-10 06:11 PM   #10 
     - Why is that dumb? Dumb ass religionists proclaim their belief in fairy tales all the time without  Raineyb   May-28-10 06:56 PM   #20 
     - It IS the school's business.  timtom   May-28-10 07:24 PM   #39 
     - There's a significant difference.  laconicsax   May-29-10 12:34 AM   #83 
     - But if that person were stupid enough to post at FR  timtom   May-29-10 01:31 AM   #99 
        - Exactly  michreject   May-29-10 09:18 AM   #113 
        - That's an awful lot of ifs.  laconicsax   May-29-10 02:21 PM   #141 
           - It's worse than that. They aren't just controlling the private lives of their employees...  PassingFair   May-30-10 10:59 AM   #205 
     - No it's not the school's business. They don't own her. What she believes on her own  Raineyb   May-29-10 09:54 AM   #114 
        - Oh, please.  timtom   May-29-10 12:40 PM   #134 
     - you are wrong. nt  seabeyond   May-28-10 09:31 PM   #49 
     - No the church is overreaching and you think it's acceptable for an employer  Raineyb   May-29-10 09:55 AM   #116 
        - if part of the employee contract is to be a cathollic in an all catholic environment and you are not  seabeyond   May-29-10 09:58 AM   #117 
           - Right and if said church has to SPY on its employees to do so then that's fine too right?  Raineyb   May-29-10 10:00 AM   #119 
           - Anyone else doing this type of shit you'd be .... well, no, i wouldnt. you are wrong on that too.  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:48 AM   #122 
           - Being Catholic WAS NOT a part of her contract. They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:34 AM   #121 
           - thru out my posts i have been careful to say christian, and not limit to catholic  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:52 AM   #124 
              - My sisters had Jewish teachers for several subjects at the Catholic high school  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:59 AM   #127 
                 - good for them. diversity. i am a believer. nt  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:49 AM   #130 
                    - My point was Catholic schools do not have a problem with hiring  smokey nj   May-29-10 01:16 PM   #138 
           - Oh, you've read her contract?  PassingFair   May-30-10 11:00 AM   #206 
              - i think the very fact i used "if" states i have not read and do not know. hence.... if. nt  seabeyond   May-30-10 01:04 PM   #217 
     - No, but religion is pervasive throughout the curriculum and school day.  knitter4democracy   May-28-10 09:35 PM   #54 
        - This starting class with prayer thing - I never expreienced it  Book Lover   May-30-10 10:44 AM   #202 
     - Yet Christians are allowed to say whatever they want about atheists  Hello_Kitty   May-29-10 10:54 PM   #173 
     - really? i expected better from you....  madrchsod   May-28-10 06:13 PM   #12 
        - why? bah hahaha. nt  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:53 AM   #125 
        - Well, now you know better. nt  spoony   May-29-10 11:36 AM   #129 
  - As if we didnt need enough reasons to *NOT* use Facebook.  Initech   May-28-10 06:07 PM   #5 
  - "The main thing is that she stated she didn't believe in God,"  Sebastian Doyle   May-28-10 06:07 PM   #6 
  - if the school could find it  qazplm   May-28-10 06:15 PM   #13 
     - She took steps to prevent students from finding it.  laconicsax   May-28-10 06:58 PM   #22 
     - I'd put money on the fact that they did.  knitter4democracy   May-28-10 09:30 PM   #48 
  - DON'T use facebook if you have a job, it's as simple as that  ck4829   May-28-10 06:09 PM   #7 
  - Problem is that you need facebook when even getting a job.  Jkid   May-28-10 06:22 PM   #14 
     - Hahaha...good one. (n/t)  WorseBeforeBetter   May-29-10 01:04 AM   #93 
  - that was`t the smartest thing to do...  madrchsod   May-28-10 06:12 PM   #11 
  - I don't know that I'd want someone that dumb teaching my kids  Kookaburra   May-28-10 06:23 PM   #15 
  - Did you even read the article?  laconicsax   May-28-10 07:00 PM   #24 
     - Nah, I didn't read it  Kookaburra   May-28-10 07:20 PM   #36 
  - Sounds reasonable  slackmaster   May-28-10 06:53 PM   #17 
  - You left out the other half of the story.  laconicsax   May-28-10 06:53 PM   #18 
  - That's just shows how vindictive the School can be, gotta love those "Christian values"! n/t  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:17 AM   #81 
  - Would have been fine though, if it was a Science teacher saying the earth is only 6000 years old.  JBoy   May-28-10 06:56 PM   #21 
  - Exactly.  laconicsax   May-28-10 07:05 PM   #28 
  - Catholic schools would probably frown on a science teacher who thought that  struggle4progress   May-28-10 07:25 PM   #40 
  - No, new pope believes it.  KansasVoter   May-28-10 07:54 PM   #42 
     - Got a link for current Pope believing world 6000 years old?  struggle4progress   May-28-10 08:31 PM   #44 
  - Not a single Catholic high school science teacher I have ever known says that.  knitter4democracy   May-28-10 09:32 PM   #50 
  - This is common for Catholic schools if you say you don't believe in God..  NotThisTime   May-28-10 07:00 PM   #25 
  - I knew my young daughter didn't belong in the Catholic Elementary School  ShortnFiery   May-29-10 12:04 AM   #72 
  - So where're the anti-bigotry people on this one?  laconicsax   May-28-10 07:04 PM   #27 
  - part of the school is the belief in god. if you dont believe, you dont go to that school  seabeyond   May-28-10 09:33 PM   #51 
  - Of course its bigotry, to claim otherwise is stupid, besides, she's was a MATH teacher...  Cleobulus   May-28-10 11:50 PM   #58 
     - in a private christian school it has as much a part of her teaching as math.  seabeyond   May-28-10 11:57 PM   #64 
        - I went to a Catholic school, oddly enough my Math teacher was a Priest...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:00 AM   #66 
           - my kids went to a christian school and they talked about god and prayed in all the classes....  seabeyond   May-29-10 12:02 AM   #68 
              - Neither did this one...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:04 AM   #70 
                 - no you cant speak for all schools. but bottom line, your school had a teacher that was like minded  seabeyond   May-29-10 12:05 AM   #73 
                    - Not all of our teachers went to mass(not all were clergy, indeed only a few)...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:08 AM   #77 
  - Apparently bigotry is okay if the church does it.  Raineyb   May-29-10 09:59 AM   #118 
  - or NOW, NAACP, etc (nt)  The Straight Story   May-29-10 08:38 PM   #152 
  - As was once said to me...  laconicsax   May-30-10 02:58 AM   #185 
  - I don't think it's even been established that the teacher WASN'T acting in private...  JHB   May-30-10 08:37 AM   #195 
  - We are here, gagging at the overwhelming amount of bigotry...  Jamastiene   May-30-10 09:21 AM   #198 
  - I can't imagine religion comes up in math class, unless they're measuring things in cubits.  LeftyMom   May-28-10 07:06 PM   #29 
  - Speaking of religious math  Canuckistanian   May-28-10 07:17 PM   #34 
  - You won't call it well-reasoned (nor do I), but the answer to that is  Book Lover   May-30-10 10:39 AM   #201 
  - That was DUzylicious  Seneca   May-29-10 01:17 AM   #97 
  - Of course I believe in God...  NeoGreen   May-28-10 07:12 PM   #32 
  - Operative term: "CATHOLIC." Take it or leave it, but IT ain't changing.  WinkyDink   May-28-10 07:14 PM   #33 
  - If they don't receive any public funds  Dappleganger   May-28-10 07:21 PM   #38 
  - Is our children failing?  SalmonChantedEvening   May-28-10 07:19 PM   #35 
  - Molest a child  Politicalboi   May-28-10 07:45 PM   #41 
  - Good idea. They should fire every employee who hasn't raped a child.  jgraz   May-29-10 10:41 PM   #168 
  - is this the same organization that would collectively scream bloody murder...  mike_c   May-28-10 08:16 PM   #43 
  - As a Catholic high school English teacher, all I can say is,  knitter4democracy   May-28-10 09:27 PM   #47 
  - I think that's fair.  Renew Deal   May-28-10 09:34 PM   #52 
  - Should businesses be allowed to discriminate against race and gender as well?  ZombieHorde   May-29-10 08:30 PM   #148 
  - It's pretty amusing how Christians being forced  JoeyT   May-28-10 11:18 PM   #56 
  - Religious people are allowed to be assholic bigots, non-religious people are not...  Cleobulus   May-28-10 11:49 PM   #57 
     - should an anti abortionist be able to be a pharmacist? her religious beliefs require she not  seabeyond   May-29-10 12:00 AM   #65 
     - Since when do you need to believe in God or Jesus to teach MATH? n/t  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:02 AM   #67 
        - another ridiculous argument. yet you are so good at calling people names....  seabeyond   May-29-10 12:03 AM   #69 
           - Why?  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:04 AM   #71 
              - this is really that hard for you. the private christian schools want like minded  seabeyond   May-29-10 12:07 AM   #74 
                 - Hmm, what do you mean by that, that they want to brainwash and indoctrinate...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 12:12 AM   #79 
                    - when my children went to private christian, a rule, all families must go to church once a week.  seabeyond   May-29-10 07:57 AM   #110 
                       - "i am very much christian in behavior", this statement makes no sense...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 08:36 PM   #150 
                          - not that there is any bias in you view.  seabeyond   May-29-10 09:05 PM   #161 
                             - OK, fine, give me an example of a Christian behavior that you do. n/t  Cleobulus   May-29-10 09:28 PM   #164 
     - Apparently. n/t  Raineyb   May-29-10 10:02 AM   #120 
     - what if... christians were to call atheists simplistic minded fucking douchebags....  seabeyond   May-29-10 01:02 PM   #135 
        - If the atheists in question were to discriminate against others due to their beliefs...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 08:39 PM   #153 
           - good little flip flop that is. no, it was a blind insulting outrage to christians....  seabeyond   May-29-10 09:03 PM   #159 
              - That's your unwarranted assumption, you can piss and moan all you want...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 09:13 PM   #163 
                 - you... are the one pissin and moanin, and a bet more. i am not the one with issues. nt  seabeyond   May-29-10 09:45 PM   #165 
  - How DARE she act like Mother Teresa who, for years, had lost her faith in God.  ShortnFiery   May-28-10 11:51 PM   #59 
  - But Mother Teresa was an independent contractor. :-)  WinkyDink   May-29-10 07:13 AM   #105 
     - ...  ShortnFiery   May-30-10 08:41 AM   #196 
  - BTW, she denied being an atheist.  onager   May-28-10 11:51 PM   #60 
  - Wow! That's one intolerant Catholic School.  ShortnFiery   May-29-10 12:08 AM   #75 
     - It's a religion with tenets and beliefs. By definition it is not secular.  WinkyDink   May-29-10 07:13 AM   #106 
  - I'll just say Facebook and all of that is kinda the devil because  TheKentuckian   May-29-10 12:41 AM   #86 
  - I keep daring my Catholic in-laws to de-friend me  Seneca   May-29-10 01:10 AM   #95 
  - Once again, we see Catholicism embracing  coyote   May-29-10 02:09 AM   #102 
  - Perhaps you think a religion is just a social club but wih fewer tenets?  WinkyDink   May-29-10 07:14 AM   #107 
  - I'm kind of the same, except that I'm agnostic  davidpdx   May-29-10 06:32 AM   #103 
  - That would be like firing a public school teacher who didn't believe in "government"!  DailyGrind51   May-29-10 07:10 AM   #104 
  - It wouldn't be anything "like" the sort. A secular school requires no belief whatsoever.  WinkyDink   May-29-10 07:20 AM   #108 
     - I take it you're not a teacher?  DailyGrind51   May-29-10 01:12 PM   #136 
        - I take it you can't read an entire post?  WinkyDink   May-30-10 07:13 AM   #190 
           - And missed the point of mine!  DailyGrind51   May-30-10 10:02 AM   #200 
  - Well, maybe the teacher isn't so swift?  Darth_Kitten   May-29-10 08:21 AM   #111 
  - But priests don't put their pedophilia on facebook, but that doesn't make them less abusive to kids  AnArmyVeteran   May-29-10 11:34 AM   #128 
  - What hypocrites Catholic leaders are. They condone pedophilia, yet hate atheists...  AnArmyVeteran   May-29-10 10:59 AM   #126 
  - Ya think? You can also be fired from your job at coke-a-cola for drinking pepsi.  Wizard777   May-29-10 12:18 PM   #131 
  - So if you need a life-saving drug, but work for another drug company, should you just die?  AnArmyVeteran   May-29-10 12:27 PM   #132 
  - If Pfizer makes the same drug. Then yes. Because this is Merck's next commercial.  Wizard777   May-29-10 01:15 PM   #137 
     - You missed every intent of my post. No one destroys a brand by using someone else's.  AnArmyVeteran   May-29-10 02:09 PM   #139 
        - Exxon is a bad analogy. The name on the pump just tells you who's getting the money.  Wizard777   May-29-10 02:51 PM   #143 
           - Well, I'm just glad the world you envision isn't a reality (yet)...  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 10:54 AM   #204 
              - Actually you're the one proposing oppression.  Wizard777   May-30-10 11:37 AM   #210 
  - And your totalitarian capitalist ideas belong on a progressive website because why?  readmoreoften   May-29-10 08:39 PM   #154 
     - 'Big tent'  laconicsax   May-30-10 12:37 AM   #180 
     - So basically your saying the DEMOCRATIC Underground should be forced to hire or retain  Wizard777   May-30-10 11:56 AM   #212 
  - Well I do understand the church's position. However, what class was she teaching? If she is  southernyankeebelle   May-29-10 02:20 PM   #140 
  - I still don't understand how such an impure religion can impose a purity test on others...  AnArmyVeteran   May-29-10 02:36 PM   #142 
  - The first word of the OP is "Math"  readmoreoften   May-29-10 08:40 PM   #155 
  - I am an atheist  hyphenate   May-29-10 08:21 PM   #146 
  - Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, gender, etc.? nt  ZombieHorde   May-29-10 08:28 PM   #147 
  - They can, and do.  KonaKane   May-29-10 08:45 PM   #158 
  - Agree. It's just plain stupid to accept a job at a religious school...  KonaKane   May-29-10 08:43 PM   #157 
     - Exactly n/t  tammywammy   May-29-10 09:05 PM   #160 
  - Catholics don't believe in LGBT people either. Should gay math teachers be fired  readmoreoften   May-29-10 08:37 PM   #151 
  - I bet to a lot of people here, yes, and they would rejoice that there's a "Gay free zone"...  Cleobulus   May-29-10 09:46 PM   #166 
  - Saddly, I have to go with the Catholic Church on this onw...  brooklynite   May-29-10 09:09 PM   #162 
  - If this is a private institution, they can fire anybody for any reason. n/t  liquid diamond   May-29-10 09:47 PM   #167 
  - Wrong.  jgraz   May-29-10 10:45 PM   #170 
     - They wouldn't be that stupid to STATE that as the reason. They  liquid diamond   May-30-10 12:32 AM   #179 
        - So your answer is no, they couldn't fire all their black employees  jgraz   May-30-10 01:05 AM   #181 
           - I swear there is a right wing contingent here.  Jamastiene   May-30-10 09:24 AM   #199 
  - Bigger question: why the FUCK is the Catholic Church still allowed to teach children?  jgraz   May-29-10 10:44 PM   #169 
  - +1  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:46 PM   #171 
  - BINGO ! Thread is Over...We have a BINGO !  RagAss   May-29-10 10:52 PM   #172 
  - Oh the pain...the pain  Bluebear   May-29-10 11:01 PM   #175 
     - LOL..  RagAss   May-29-10 11:02 PM   #176 
  - Now, that's sure-fire proof you've got your old thinking cap on.  TheKentuckian   May-30-10 02:35 AM   #184 
  - I think you are confusing the schools, from which pupils return home daily, with orphanages,  WinkyDink   May-30-10 07:17 AM   #192 
  - +1,000,000 and 1  Hissyspit   May-30-10 02:53 PM   #218 
  - Who exactly is doing all of this *detective* work?  Proud Liberal Dem   May-29-10 10:59 PM   #174 
  - A student  charlie   May-30-10 01:14 AM   #183 
  - UNITED STATES CODE: 42 USC 21, 2000e2  Xicano   May-30-10 03:40 AM   #186 
  - (e) ... (2) it shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a school, college, university, or  struggle4progress   May-30-10 06:59 AM   #188 
  - Usually such schools make it known beforehand  JNelson6563   May-30-10 07:08 AM   #189 
  - Why is this likely? Why do you assume this?  PassingFair   May-30-10 11:12 AM   #207 
     - Actually they were aware she wasn't Catholic when they hired her.  smokey nj   May-30-10 11:27 AM   #208 
        - I saw your link in the other thread....thanks!  PassingFair   May-30-10 11:31 AM   #209 
  - Kind of like working in a hospital and claiming that you don't believe in modern medicine  SoCalDem   May-30-10 07:17 AM   #193 
  - what if a person who was employed by the NAACP  onenote   May-30-10 07:34 AM   #194 
  - Rather than fire her,  Codeine   May-30-10 09:03 AM   #197 
  - Thanks to this thread, I'm more convinced than ever that Richard Dawkins is right.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-30-10 11:59 AM   #213 
  - Wow.  Shining Jack   May-30-10 01:02 PM   #216 
 

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