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The BP oil spill scares me silly. Look a few years down the road (worst case scenario--or not?)
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Edited on Thu May-27-10 12:49 AM by DFW
Even if they plug it tomorrow, what do we face then? What are the intermediate-term consequences? What are the long-term
consequences? Oil has already shown up in shrimp catches of the Florida coast. It will very likely seep into the already
fragile Caribbean and into the Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic.

The oil already covers an area of the ocean floor of unimaginable size. Much if not most of the eastern Gulf of Mexico is,
or soon will be ecologically dead. Much of our environmentally vital Gulf Coast wetlands and marshlands are already dead or dying.

This will mean that at a bare minimum hundreds of thousands of people in our Gulf States lose their livelihood, and many
hundreds of thousands more in poor Caribbean islands are staring the same fate in the face. Who will have to come to their
rescue? The rest of us? But that's just the start.

The Gulf of Mexico provided fish for millions of people. This is finished for years, maybe many decades, maybe permanently.
So? People still have to eat. No fish in the Gulf? Get it out of the North Atlantic. Uh-oh--parts of the North Atlantic will
be affected, too. OK, then those parts of the Atlantic that haven't been affected. But wait. The North Atlantic already suffers
from overfishing. The Russians, the Chinese and the EU all compete with us for the fish there. So--OK, then the Pacific? They
all compete with us for the fish there, too. The South Atlantic suffers from overfishing, too.

So? What can we do? Extend the limits of our territorial waters outward so as to protect our own fishing industry? The
Russians, Chinese and Europeans have to eat, too. The condensed answer is that we could be involved in potentially serious
maritime military conflicts over food, which will not be a subject for compromise. We will shoot at Russian and Chinese
fishing trawlers if we need to do it to survive. They will shoot back if they feel they need to do it to survive. That is
the short term. Long term is that we will end up over-fishing important species to the point of extinction to satisfy our
appetites. Hell, we were doing that to some species before the leak.

Climate change could be expedited, too. That is another story altogether, and had already been addressed here on DU.

Maybe I'm just seeing things too gloomily, here, but our suddenly devastated coast and its inhabitants will need to be
cared for, and the loss of food heretofore provided by the Gulf of Mexico will have to be compensated for elsewhere.

MAYBE it won't come to maritime food wars, MAYBE there will be some way for a million or more inhabitants of the Gulf
Coast and the Caribbean to make a living without leaving home, and MAYBE the climate of the eastern part of North
America won't be drastically affected by the oil already leaked, as well as the toxic chemicals BP has tossed into
the Gulf to try to hide/disperse it.

You see BP guys and government guys on TV saying they'll do everything in their power, blah, blah, blah. But, what
if everything in their power is insufficient to rectify this catastrophe? What if it's already too late?

MAYBE it'll all work out. I just doubt it for now, and the long-term ramifications of this disaster scare me like
nothing ever has. I REALLY hope I'm wrong about all this.

*on edit:

From "When The Music's Over" by the Doors:

What have they done to the earth?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences and dragged her down
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  -The BP oil spill scares me silly. Look a few years down the road (worst case scenario--or not?) DFW  May-27-10 12:45 AM   #0 
  - It IS very scary, my dear DFW...  CaliforniaPeggy   May-27-10 12:56 AM   #1 
  - Peggy--I got the barest hint of what might happen from the Canadian gov't 15 years ago  DFW   May-27-10 01:14 AM   #4 
     - The irony of that is that Basque fishermen have fished on the Grand Banks for centuries.  Odin2005   May-27-10 08:24 AM   #19 
        - A few Basque fishermen in small boats wouldn't have bothered the Canadians  DFW   May-27-10 09:21 AM   #32 
           - Oh, or course, I just thought it was ironic, that's all.  Odin2005   May-27-10 04:01 PM   #47 
              - That it is  DFW   May-27-10 04:24 PM   #50 
  - Endless red tides, dead zones, fish, bird, turtle and mammal kills  JCMach1   May-27-10 12:59 AM   #2 
  - Humans scare me  Oregone   May-27-10 01:10 AM   #3 
  - Me, too.  Ishoutandscream2   May-27-10 08:51 AM   #29 
     - Corporations scare me more than even the worst human who ever lived.  AnArmyVeteran   May-27-10 02:23 PM   #39 
  - Don't let fear freeze the faith. Fortitude is what we need to try finding now.  jotsy   May-27-10 01:38 AM   #5 
  - There deeper wells out there, that is the most scary thing to me.  Jennicut   May-27-10 01:49 AM   #6 
  - The gulf will recover  nadinbrzezinski   May-27-10 01:52 AM   #7 
  - Not entirely reassuring, even if you are 100% correct  DFW   May-27-10 02:06 AM   #8 
  - Yeah I mean US Consumption  nadinbrzezinski   May-27-10 02:09 AM   #10 
  - I still want to know how much of that oil is used up because of our  truedelphi   May-27-10 03:33 AM   #11 
     - 350,000 barrels a day.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-27-10 08:37 AM   #26 
     - That could well be the case. I will ahve to do some calculating.  truedelphi   May-27-10 02:56 PM   #42 
     - "huge Naval carriers"  Statistical   May-27-10 08:50 AM   #28 
     - Thank you for the correction.  truedelphi   May-27-10 02:17 PM   #38 
        - Agreed the military (Navy especially) is far to big.  Statistical   May-27-10 03:27 PM   #46 
     - Here is a beter question  nadinbrzezinski   May-27-10 12:52 PM   #36 
        - The issue of whether the bio-fuels will up our food prices exists  truedelphi   May-27-10 02:07 PM   #37 
        - Google bolivia  nadinbrzezinski   May-27-10 02:36 PM   #41 
           - The thing you are taking out of the equation is that when I buy food  truedelphi   May-27-10 03:04 PM   #44 
              - As I pointed out yesterday  nadinbrzezinski   May-27-10 03:13 PM   #45 
                 - I understand that my food uses oil.  truedelphi   May-27-10 04:03 PM   #48 
                    - Do you use any  nadinbrzezinski   May-27-10 04:17 PM   #49 
        - Here is the info that catherina -- DU Member -- provided last week  truedelphi   May-27-10 02:58 PM   #43 
  - I feel a lot better now. Thanks...  AnArmyVeteran   May-27-10 02:26 PM   #40 
  - It's Worse  Kalun D   May-27-10 02:07 AM   #9 
  - yes, decades of negative effect  marions ghost   May-27-10 07:27 AM   #16 
  - You're right on all counts.  Individualist   May-27-10 09:43 AM   #33 
  - You are making a compelling case  Art_from_Ark   May-27-10 03:47 AM   #12 
  - I'm trying to think of reasons why I'm all wrong  DFW   May-27-10 06:19 AM   #14 
  - My feeling as a consumer is you'll always wonder if the fish and seafood are 100% petroleum-free.  no_hypocrisy   May-27-10 06:18 AM   #13 
  - That scares the hell out of me  DFW   May-27-10 08:10 AM   #17 
     - Agreed. One can possibly make a small garden for local produce, but what about  no_hypocrisy   May-27-10 08:53 AM   #30 
  - I was just watching cnn, a reporter took a boat out into the slick  carlyhippy   May-27-10 06:46 AM   #15 
  - It can't be "cleaned up".. It settles and it sticks to everything  SoCalDem   May-27-10 08:34 AM   #23 
     - In warm waters there are micro-organisms that eat oil.  Statistical   May-27-10 08:49 AM   #27 
  - K&R  Odin2005   May-27-10 08:21 AM   #18 
  - Ixtoc I didn't wipe out all life on the planet.  Statistical   May-27-10 08:26 AM   #20 
  - True, but there differences here  DFW   May-27-10 09:00 AM   #31 
  - Fish move, and take the toxins within them.  SoCalDem   May-27-10 08:29 AM   #21 
  - So you haven't eaten anything from the Gulf since 1979? n/t  Statistical   May-27-10 08:32 AM   #22 
     - I don;t eat fish, so probably not  SoCalDem   May-27-10 08:35 AM   #24 
        - Well ok.  Statistical   May-27-10 08:36 AM   #25 
  - There will be more blowouts to consider  Bragi   May-27-10 09:50 AM   #34 
  - This isn't going to cause any wars  gravity   May-27-10 10:08 AM   #35 

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