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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:45 PM
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16. There are people HERE who believe hate crime bills are unnecessary?
:wtf: what kind of moran would think hate crimes are not real and deserve a special kind of smackdown?
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  -For those who think hate-crime laws are unnecessary, and/or bestow "special rights" Sapphocrat  May-07-07 04:37 PM   #0 
  - Well said!!! K & R! n/t  Terri S   May-07-07 04:43 PM   #1 
  - k&r from me  sniffa   May-07-07 04:47 PM   #2 
  - Well said...  MN Against Bush   May-07-07 04:58 PM   #3 
  - Excellent point.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 05:07 PM   #4 
  - Hate crimes against transgender  undergroundpanther   May-07-07 05:24 PM   #5 
  - K&R!  LostinVA   May-07-07 05:45 PM   #6 
  - Bookmarking for the next time the "thought police"/"special rights" crowd shows up.  94114_San_Francisco   May-07-07 06:12 PM   #7 
  - Very cool post  ismnotwasm   May-07-07 06:16 PM   #8 
  - Here's a different "slippery slope" (BTW, not a good logical tack, but I digress):  WinkyDink   May-07-07 06:23 PM   #9 
  - That's OK by me.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 06:29 PM   #12 
  - True enough!  WinkyDink   May-07-07 08:16 PM   #31 
  - Actually, criminal intent is part of just about every crime.  kiahzero   May-07-07 06:48 PM   #17 
     - "Motive" doesn't = "intent". My INTENT might be to murder; you might never know WHY.  WinkyDink   May-07-07 08:19 PM   #32 
        - Forgive me... I thought you were playing fast and loose with the language  kiahzero   May-07-07 10:01 PM   #50 
  - One thing I don't understand  Sadie4629   May-07-07 06:24 PM   #10 
  - It would elevate it to a Federal crime.  JackBeck   May-07-07 06:31 PM   #13 
  - But seriously, what would that do?  Sadie4629   May-07-07 06:41 PM   #15 
     - Do you suppose there's ever been a case...  Bornaginhooligan   May-07-07 06:49 PM   #18 
        - Of course. And in the not-too-distant past.  Sadie4629   May-07-07 06:57 PM   #22 
           - Christopher Anders, of the ACLU"  JackBeck   May-07-07 07:05 PM   #24 
              - IOW, you "asked for it."  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 08:15 PM   #30 
  - Is any law really a deterrent?  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 07:01 PM   # 
  - From my understanding,  Chulanowa   May-07-07 11:20 PM   #66 
     - That's it, Chulanowa.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 11:26 PM   #67 
     - in a nutshell  iverglas   May-09-07 10:00 AM   #88 
        - Exactly what I was thinking  Chulanowa   May-09-07 01:05 PM   #95 
  - Great post!  JackBeck   May-07-07 06:29 PM   #11 
  - K&R'd. I'm often out of lockstep with my DU brothers and sisters  Kelly Rupert   May-07-07 06:37 PM   #14 
  - There are people HERE who believe hate crime bills are unnecessary?  nini   May-07-07 06:45 PM   #16 
  - Yes, even here.  JackBeck   May-07-07 06:50 PM   #19 
     - I think I'm glad I've missed those threads  nini   May-07-07 06:52 PM   #20 
     - Sadly I wish I could agree...but more importantly.....  Robson   May-07-07 06:57 PM   #21 
        - That's exactly what this legislation would do.  JackBeck   May-07-07 07:01 PM   #23 
        - You prove my point, in spades.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 07:32 PM   #26 
        - Everyone has self interests  Robson   May-07-07 07:58 PM   #28 
        - And many...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 08:19 PM   #33 
        - Everyone has a sexual orientation  FreeState   May-07-07 08:01 PM   #29 
           - That's my question, too.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 08:26 PM   #34 
              - We're already protected  Robson   May-07-07 08:46 PM   #38 
                 - Spoken...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 09:05 PM   #40 
                 - What is it that you think is so special about other people?  Jamastiene   May-07-07 09:21 PM   #43 
                    - ...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 09:47 PM   #45 
        - You know what?  Jamastiene   May-07-07 08:37 PM   #36 
  - Nobody here is probably old enough to remember this, but...  dave123williams   May-07-07 07:23 PM   #25 
  - I'm almost old enough. ;)  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 07:39 PM   #27 
  - I'm on the fence about hate crime legislation  MadHound   May-07-07 08:31 PM   #35 
  - Nobody's saying...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 08:56 PM   #39 
  - As Long As Special Hate Crime Terms Exist, Then This Should Pass Too. But I'm Not Sure They Should  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-07-07 08:42 PM   #37 
  - The key is "conceptually"-- it is not conceptual to the victims  Malikshah   May-07-07 09:07 PM   #41 
  - Obviously, I Disagree But At Least I Gave Logical Reasons As To Why.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-07-07 09:12 PM   #42 
     - Being singled out because of one's being is different.  Malikshah   May-07-07 10:04 PM   #51 
        - Not Sure The Premise Holds Water.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-07-07 10:08 PM   #52 
           - From what I read in the responses to the link given, I think I have the votes  Malikshah   May-08-07 04:51 PM   #80 
  - I do see the difference...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 09:38 PM   #44 
     - Though I Appreciate Your Reply, It Seems You Misunderstood My Point.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-07-07 09:58 PM   #48 
     - We are not equal.  JackBeck   May-07-07 10:45 PM   #60 
     - Mind reader. :) ^5 n/t  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 10:53 PM   #63 
        - Same page, as always. n/t  JackBeck   May-07-07 10:58 PM   #64 
     - And I appreciate your most well-thought-out reply, too.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 10:48 PM   #61 
     - It's not making the punishment harsher, but ensuring that it's JUST.  TheMadMonk   May-09-07 03:00 AM   #83 
     - Lpine's murder victims were all women students  iverglas   May-09-07 10:07 AM   #89 
  - I'm against hate crime laws.  JackDragna   May-07-07 09:48 PM   #46 
  - That's the "thought crime" argument.  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 09:55 PM   #47 
  - I'm against genocide, of course.  JackDragna   May-07-07 09:58 PM   #49 
     - The fact still remains that the Nazis  Jamastiene   May-07-07 10:13 PM   #53 
     - I doubt we'd have an "outbreak" of violence.  JackDragna   May-07-07 10:17 PM   #54 
        - Actually, the neo-nazi and other hate groups are on the rise  Jamastiene   May-07-07 10:27 PM   #56 
        - That's a complex question.  JackDragna   May-07-07 10:33 PM   #58 
           - They complain about hate crimes legislation because  Jamastiene   May-07-07 10:39 PM   #59 
        - Hate Crimes laws were passed in 1969.  JackBeck   May-07-07 10:51 PM   #62 
           - I have no passion for the laws, period.  JackDragna   May-08-07 04:41 PM   #78 
              - y'know, I would almost imagine  iverglas   May-09-07 10:24 AM   #91 
     - OK, I understand...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 10:24 PM   #55 
        - No crime is worse than others..  JackDragna   May-07-07 10:32 PM   #57 
           - What concerns me...  Sapphocrat   May-07-07 11:06 PM   #65 
           - How is this "blaming the victim?"  JackDragna   May-08-07 04:40 PM   #77 
              - I think it's pretty clear that it would be worse to rape my 5-year-old daughter  gollygee   May-09-07 07:33 AM   #85 
           - I think you're not quite understanding "motivation"  iverglas   May-09-07 10:23 AM   #90 
  - Welcome to my ignore list.  kgfnally   May-09-07 10:28 AM   #92 
  - I needed to kick and recommend this as I was not around yesterday.  MrsGrumpy   May-08-07 08:04 AM   #68 
  - Oh, come on MrsG.  JackBeck   May-08-07 09:12 AM   #69 
  - K and R  Puglover   May-08-07 09:21 AM   #70 
  - Excellent  Solly Mack   May-08-07 09:24 AM   #71 
  - K&R...  JackBeck   May-08-07 01:39 PM   #72 
  - At the risk of getting flamed. . .  MsRedacted   May-08-07 02:49 PM   #73 
  - That is where we are headed  Robson   May-08-07 04:02 PM   #74 
  - Right said...  MrPrax   May-09-07 07:25 AM   #84 
  - Like I said before, Hate Crimes laws have been around since 1969.  JackBeck   May-09-07 09:52 AM   #87 
  - Adding the both of YOU to my ignore list as well  kgfnally   May-09-07 10:31 AM   #94 
  - Two things  FreeState   May-08-07 04:30 PM   #76 
  - There's a difference between hate crimes..  JackDragna   May-08-07 04:45 PM   #79 
     - Intent  FreeState   May-08-07 06:37 PM   #81 
  - You misunderstand the concept of "hate crime"  TechBear_Seattle   May-09-07 09:24 AM   #86 
  - oh dear  iverglas   May-09-07 10:29 AM   #93 
  - Very well put.  TechBear_Seattle   May-08-07 04:21 PM   #75 
  - Hate crime legislation is less about deterence and more about JUSTICE!  TheMadMonk   May-08-07 11:55 PM   #82 
 

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