proteus_lives
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Sun May-23-10 11:25 PM
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Or just a life-long criminal?
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| -Armed Robber steals $4 pack of socks, gets life in prison |
The Straight Story |
May-23-10 11:14 PM |
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Maybe some people are well off because of an attempt |
RandomThoughts |
May-23-10 11:16 PM |
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Access to a gun ruined this man's life. |
sharesunited |
May-23-10 11:20 PM |
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Using the gun during the commission of yet another crime |
Riftaxe |
May-23-10 11:22 PM |
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Criminal behavior ruined this man's life. |
proteus_lives |
May-23-10 11:23 PM |
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Obviously, having the gun emboldened him to commit the crime. |
sharesunited |
May-23-10 11:27 PM |
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Never going stop trying to get that fail-wagon moving, huh? |
proteus_lives |
May-24-10 01:03 AM |
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No, whatever reduced him to having to steal socks and underwear... |
Scuba |
May-24-10 05:28 AM |
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The same forces that invented "zero-tolerance"... |
Orsino |
May-24-10 09:33 AM |
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I believe in zero-tolerance for violent crimes. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 09:55 AM |
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Zero-tolerance is always an excuse... |
Orsino |
May-24-10 09:58 AM |
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That is where we differ. Long and severe IS the appropriate punishment for violent criminals. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 10:04 AM |
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Zero-tolerance would mean stupid stuff like life imprisonment without parole... |
Orsino |
May-24-10 10:48 AM |
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If criminal doesn't have a gun at the crime they CAN'T shoot a victim |
Statistical |
May-24-10 10:55 AM |
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I can't buy that theory... |
Orsino |
May-24-10 11:21 AM |
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No buden on law abiding citzen. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 11:27 AM |
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Anyone, to include bystanders and law enforcement... |
Orsino |
May-24-10 11:30 AM |
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In a legal sense he defined his intent by bringing a weapon to the crime. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 11:35 AM |
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Yes, it's a "pretty simple concept." |
Orsino |
May-24-10 12:03 PM |
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Apparently, he could afford a gun /nt |
jberryhill |
May-24-10 01:55 PM |
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He could have bought a complete set of halfway decent clothes for what he paid for the gun |
slackmaster |
May-25-10 11:21 AM |
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Fool |
Rebubula |
May-24-10 11:04 AM |
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He'd have gotten exactly the same sentence had he used a toy or fake gun instead of a real one |
slackmaster |
May-25-10 11:13 AM |
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All this for $4.00? Idiotic |
lefty2000 |
May-23-10 11:21 PM |
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This was more about the gun than $4 socks. nt |
Lucky Luciano |
May-23-10 11:30 PM |
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Maybe you wouldn't feel that way if you'd had the gun pointed at you. |
salguine |
May-24-10 08:43 AM |
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I see it as being idiotic on the part of the robber |
slackmaster |
May-24-10 09:26 AM |
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So we should just ignore the fact that this guy |
Goblinmonger |
May-24-10 10:01 AM |
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Fear of freedom? |
proteus_lives |
May-23-10 11:25 PM |
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The former- fear |
depakid |
May-23-10 11:35 PM |
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May-24-10 01:02 AM |
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Fear is exactly what promotes this sort of deal- it's also behind the zero tolerance crap |
depakid |
May-24-10 08:40 AM |
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sorry i'm done feeling sorry for armed robbers |
pitohui |
May-23-10 11:53 PM |
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Shot at by crack heads? |
asdjrocky |
May-24-10 08:57 AM |
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Sounds like he is a fucking idiot. |
LostInAnomie |
May-23-10 11:59 PM |
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+1 n/t |
tammywammy |
May-24-10 12:26 AM |
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pretty simple.. dont do the crime you dont do the time.....that being said... |
ORDagnabbit |
May-24-10 12:20 AM |
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"armed robber" |
Vickers |
May-24-10 12:24 AM |
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it's because he is a repeat offender, but i want to know what he was in prison the first time |
JI7 |
May-24-10 12:28 AM |
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Fla Dept of Corr website - offender search nt |
Obamanaut |
May-24-10 01:12 AM |
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And Murkans wonder why the USA has more people behind bars than any other country |
Cali_Democrat |
May-24-10 01:04 AM |
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Probably because they use guns |
Dorian Gray |
May-24-10 05:49 AM |
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It's partly because we have more violent criminals than any other country |
slackmaster |
May-24-10 09:28 AM |
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Drug crimes. |
Goblinmonger |
May-24-10 10:02 AM |
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Remove non-violent drug offenders from prison. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 10:36 AM |
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Yes. |
krabigirl |
May-24-10 12:04 PM |
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locking up armed robbers is now un-liberal? |
dionysus |
May-25-10 11:21 AM |
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If that gun was in your face, would you care what he was trying to steal? |
Dreamer Tatum |
May-24-10 01:13 AM |
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I had a gun pointed right at my face. |
byrok |
May-24-10 07:22 AM |
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May-24-10 07:41 AM |
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May-24-10 08:03 AM |
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Give me the name and local |
michreject |
May-24-10 08:28 AM |
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The statement was a written deposition... |
byrok |
May-24-10 08:55 AM |
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Don't Proffer Any More Information On This. |
Paladin |
May-24-10 09:17 AM |
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You're right. |
byrok |
May-24-10 09:25 AM |
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You Are Most Welcome. Try To Maintain That Healthy Perspective. (n/t) |
Paladin |
May-24-10 10:35 AM |
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Some jurisdictions allow a victim impact statement @ sentencing. n/t |
proudohioan |
May-24-10 09:29 AM |
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That is exactly right. n/t |
byrok |
May-24-10 09:31 AM |
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You are way off-base. |
Dappleganger |
May-24-10 09:35 AM |
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Thank you. |
byrok |
May-24-10 09:43 AM |
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The state of FL does not believe in rehab. |
Dappleganger |
May-24-10 09:26 AM |
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As someone who has a friend doing prison time for robberies he committed for drug money, |
slackmaster |
May-24-10 09:29 AM |
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What these "law and order" authoritarians fail to understand is that as we move |
Greyhound |
May-24-10 04:32 AM |
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No penalty for murder should be death penalty. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 08:45 AM |
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Robbery is not the same thing as petty theft |
slackmaster |
May-24-10 09:30 AM |
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+1. Very important distinction. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 09:49 AM |
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Bottom line however is that this is still a pety crime given these facts |
depakid |
May-24-10 12:09 PM |
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No it isn't. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 12:27 PM |
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Under these facts it certainly was! |
depakid |
May-24-10 12:33 PM |
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"guy shows a gun" = threat of violence with weapon during an armed robbery. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 12:38 PM |
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He used a threat of deadly force to keep from getting grabbed |
slackmaster |
May-25-10 11:08 AM |
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He didn't get life in prison for this one crime |
slackmaster |
May-25-10 11:09 AM |
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You and Statistical make my point right here. |
Greyhound |
May-24-10 01:44 PM |
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Won't find me crying over this one. |
Nailzberg |
May-24-10 05:07 AM |
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Horrible decision making and there you go. |
jp11 |
May-24-10 06:43 AM |
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He didn't get prison for $4 socks. He got prison for an armed robbery. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 07:22 AM |
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if only he stayed in school and eventually gotten a job on Wall Street |
Blue_Tires |
May-24-10 07:34 AM |
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That's right. |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-24-10 11:12 AM |
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Sock problem permanently solved. n/t |
NorthCarolina |
May-24-10 08:36 AM |
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Reading this thread and the responses makes one realize why America's headed for third world status |
depakid |
May-24-10 08:49 AM |
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Because there are people who are stupid enough to throw away their freedom for some cheap socks |
slackmaster |
May-24-10 09:31 AM |
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No- because the knee jerk reactions are both very costly and evince a nation that no longer cares |
depakid |
May-24-10 10:39 AM |
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Good. |
Nye Bevan |
May-24-10 08:53 AM |
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Just like in states with the death penetly, people kill less? |
asdjrocky |
May-24-10 09:01 AM |
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That's one of the reasons I oppose the death penalty |
Nye Bevan |
May-24-10 09:11 AM |
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I agree and disagree... |
pipi_k |
May-24-10 09:37 AM |
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Murder is rarely a crime of opportunity. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 09:53 AM |
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Good points. In the 50s and 60s the criminal gangs in the UK used to pat each other down |
Nye Bevan |
May-24-10 10:32 AM |
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That is a major reason why I feel felony murder statute is a good one. |
Statistical |
May-24-10 10:35 AM |
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Wouldn't have made any difference if he had got away empty handed |
NNN0LHI |
May-24-10 09:22 AM |
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Very true. |
Dappleganger |
May-24-10 09:28 AM |
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The value of the items that the robber took is totally irrelevant. Robbery is by definition violent. |
slackmaster |
May-24-10 09:25 AM |
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This thread is a great example of the reading comprehension of people on DU. |
Dappleganger |
May-24-10 09:28 AM |
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Armed robbery where all he got away with was a pack of socks |
Renew Deal |
May-24-10 09:29 AM |
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Why are we arguing about his sentence? |
Taitertots |
May-24-10 10:46 AM |
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The benefits to sociey from better prison rehabilitation would be enormous |
Nye Bevan |
May-24-10 10:58 AM |
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Or, after several periods of incarceration rehab wears off. nt |
Obamanaut |
May-25-10 11:40 AM |
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I think the moral of this story is don't go out and commit armed robbery |
no limit |
May-24-10 01:57 PM |
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cheney getting away with crimes doesnt excuse armed robbery. |
dionysus |
May-25-10 11:18 AM |
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An inept armed robber with poor judgment about what to steal is still an armed robber. |
Warren DeMontague |
May-25-10 11:38 AM |
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Yeah, if I were the Juror, I would disregard the Judge |
Dank Nugs |
May-25-10 09:42 PM |
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