| -Greider at The Nation on how they are "reforming" Social Security without saying it out loud. |
madfloridian |
May-21-10 05:06 PM |
#0 |
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How dare Obama turn against Social Security? |
CaliforniaPeggy |
May-21-10 05:13 PM |
#1 |
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This is not what I expect from a supposedly Democratic President. |
DJ13 |
May-21-10 05:17 PM |
#2 |
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+1,000 n/t |
tonysam |
May-21-10 05:27 PM |
#4 |
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Some of us saw the "stealth" before, but were attacked if we dared hint at it. |
bobbolink |
May-21-10 10:20 PM |
#40 |
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+1,000,000 |
zabet |
May-22-10 08:00 AM |
#51 |
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Exactly |
peace frog |
May-22-10 09:08 AM |
#57 |
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I never attacked anyone, |
dgibby |
May-22-10 10:18 AM |
#91 |
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AMEN! |
ShortnFiery |
May-22-10 02:11 PM |
#146 |
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Yours is the pain that bothers me the most about all of this..... people who have had their trust |
bobbolink |
May-22-10 07:04 PM |
#216 |
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Why didn't they index it to cover increases in life expectancy? |
TampaAnimus2010 |
May-23-10 02:29 PM |
#250 |
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Having phone banked and beat the streets for this four flusher |
ooglymoogly |
May-22-10 11:31 AM |
#108 |
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I'm with you......I feel quite betrayed. n/t |
whathehell |
May-22-10 05:25 PM |
#197 |
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We once drove 100 miles to see the 4 flusher now I wouldn't cross the street. |
Peregrine Took |
May-22-10 05:53 PM |
#207 |
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Absolutely |
MissDeeds |
May-22-10 03:18 PM |
#161 |
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Unfortunately, both Hillary (a corporatist hawk) and Edwards (a monumental douche) are as bad |
liberation |
May-22-10 03:41 PM |
#168 |
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It is time for a monumental effort for a write in campaign |
ooglymoogly |
May-23-10 12:31 PM |
#243 |
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I have said that for a long time now. He is a DINO, a hired gun |
icee |
May-22-10 09:13 AM |
#60 |
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Obama not a democrat? |
Citizen Worker |
May-22-10 09:31 AM |
#66 |
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Not just Hillary and Obama, |
bvar22 |
May-22-10 11:14 AM |
#102 |
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They are doing God's work |
avaistheone1 |
May-22-10 01:44 PM |
#134 |
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The simple fact is |
Mike K |
May-22-10 02:20 PM |
#151 |
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"Brand Obama"... |
bvar22 |
May-22-10 03:18 PM |
#162 |
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That's not entirely true |
nichomachus |
May-22-10 04:19 PM |
#178 |
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Just one more betrayal in a very long line, Peggy. |
dgibby |
May-22-10 10:15 AM |
#90 |
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Clinton did the same deal--and except for Monica, would have |
bbgrunt |
May-22-10 01:46 PM |
#135 |
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Beyond forming a committee which doesn't appear to have done anything yet |
Telly Savalas |
May-22-10 02:11 PM |
#147 |
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He didn't get the votes for the binding proposal so he went Executive Order |
TheKentuckian |
May-23-10 12:42 AM |
#229 |
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The notion that the President is secretly reforming Social Security is ludicrous. |
ProSense |
May-21-10 05:26 PM |
#3 |
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Coming from you I take anything you say with a grain of salt. |
tonysam |
May-21-10 05:28 PM |
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Thanks for letting me know. n/t |
ProSense |
May-21-10 05:32 PM |
#8 |
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+1000! |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-22-10 08:35 AM |
#55 |
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Clearly! nt |
ooglymoogly |
May-22-10 11:35 AM |
#110 |
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Agreed. |
closeupready |
May-22-10 03:59 PM |
#173 |
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Do not be surprised when Grieder is proven correct. |
OHdem10 |
May-21-10 06:47 PM |
#20 |
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So far he's batting 1000. |
glitch |
May-21-10 09:49 PM |
#28 |
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Well, he's not correct about it being a secret. |
ProSense |
May-21-10 10:09 PM |
#37 |
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Yeah like not assessing even the barest |
ooglymoogly |
May-22-10 11:47 AM |
#113 |
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that's a senate report, not the report of the deficit commission. & some of |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 01:51 PM |
#138 |
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Remember all the good things we were going to get out of |
ooglymoogly |
May-22-10 07:38 PM |
#218 |
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And O gets away with it solely because of that stinking "D" after his name. |
bobbolink |
May-22-10 09:35 PM |
#222 |
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I no longer believe anything you say. No matter what he does, |
icee |
May-22-10 09:18 AM |
#61 |
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+ 100000. |
freddie mertz |
May-22-10 09:55 AM |
#74 |
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So the article from the Senate Committee of Aging is a forgery? |
Telly Savalas |
May-22-10 02:14 PM |
#148 |
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Pot meet kettle, when everything you say goes against him, your |
treestar |
May-22-10 03:43 PM |
#170 |
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Way past that with this one... But, clearly, I see where you are. |
icee |
May-22-10 04:28 PM |
#184 |
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There are several like that here |
MissDeeds |
May-22-10 04:40 PM |
#187 |
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Yeah. I understand what you mean. Let's alls stick together. |
icee |
May-22-10 04:57 PM |
#192 |
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Works for me |
MissDeeds |
May-22-10 05:08 PM |
#194 |
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Unfortunately, I don't think so. I think everyone is either too beaten down, or just mesmerized. |
bobbolink |
May-22-10 09:37 PM |
#223 |
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And that, sir, is my greatest fear. For then we are truly doomed. I |
icee |
May-22-10 11:36 PM |
#226 |
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Your scenario gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Just shoot me". |
bobbolink |
May-23-10 07:28 PM |
#257 |
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Bookmarking. nt |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 09:18 AM |
#62 |
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If you deny it, there must be something to it. |
freddie mertz |
May-22-10 09:53 AM |
#73 |
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+1 |
Yuugal |
May-22-10 04:09 PM |
#176 |
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THANK YOU! |
Change Happens |
May-22-10 10:06 AM |
#84 |
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Considering how your batting average is .000, NOW I'm really worried. |
donco6 |
May-22-10 10:59 AM |
#98 |
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Yes, this has been debunked before. |
tabatha |
May-22-10 04:13 PM |
#177 |
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Read who is on the debt commission. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 06:42 PM |
#211 |
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Correct Me If I Am Misinformed |
Me. |
May-21-10 05:28 PM |
#5 |
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"cannot act without a vote in Congress" |
ProSense |
May-21-10 05:31 PM |
#6 |
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I'm Not Sure About Unsubstantiated |
Me. |
May-21-10 10:12 PM |
#38 |
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Vigilance.... Always. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 09:18 AM |
#63 |
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And that is only because the Senate did not pass the bill for the creation of the commission. |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 09:31 AM |
#65 |
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A couple of important points: |
Lasher |
May-23-10 12:07 AM |
#227 |
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We dodged the first bullet, |
bvar22 |
May-23-10 02:38 PM |
#251 |
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Obama's mother-in-law will straighten him out soon enough...n/t |
monmouth |
May-21-10 05:31 PM |
#7 |
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I'll eat my shorts if politicians actually vote to end Social Security. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
May-21-10 05:32 PM |
#9 |
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Maybe we need to means test it though. |
dkf |
May-21-10 05:37 PM |
#10 |
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No we don't need to means test it, but we do need to remove the payroll tax cap. (nt) |
w4rma |
May-22-10 08:23 AM |
#53 |
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If we did that, wouldn't the people making huge salaries get an even bigger check when they retire? |
CrispyQ |
May-22-10 09:12 AM |
#59 |
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The relationship between paying in & taking out later is not linear. |
Jackpine Radical |
May-22-10 10:03 AM |
#81 |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 09:32 AM |
#67 |
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removing the cap is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:01 PM |
#142 |
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Means testing will make it easier for them to completely dismantle it |
bullwinkle428 |
May-22-10 10:09 AM |
#87 |
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I believe a 'means test' |
femrap |
May-22-10 11:59 AM |
#119 |
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Thank you for that post, femrap. I agree with you. |
bertman |
May-22-10 01:51 PM |
#137 |
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more means-testing is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 01:59 PM |
#141 |
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I guess |
femrap |
May-22-10 04:54 PM |
#190 |
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Social security is financed by workers; the well-heeled pay more (total) going in; |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 01:16 AM |
#234 |
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I don't disagree with you. |
femrap |
May-23-10 03:47 PM |
#253 |
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social security is already means-tested through the tax on benefits. |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 01:57 PM |
#140 |
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Absolutely. |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 02:37 PM |
#154 |
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Nowhere did I say they would "end" it. |
madfloridian |
May-21-10 05:42 PM |
#11 |
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Correct. I will eat my shorts if politicians vote to privatize Social Security |
Lone_Star_Dem |
May-21-10 05:47 PM |
#12 |
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No, NO..They aren't going to "END" Social Security. |
bvar22 |
May-21-10 06:02 PM |
#16 |
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I've learned to be on the lookout |
tango-tee |
May-22-10 07:51 AM |
#50 |
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None so blind as those...nt |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 09:34 AM |
#68 |
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Yup, yup. That's it. Lying liars that lie. |
TheKentuckian |
May-22-10 09:59 AM |
#78 |
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Yep |
femrap |
May-22-10 12:04 PM |
#120 |
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+1 |
Change Happens |
May-22-10 10:05 AM |
#83 |
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they won't. they'll vote for "tweaks" intended to divide support for it. |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 01:57 PM |
#139 |
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There will never be a vote to "end Social Security." |
Mike K |
May-22-10 04:05 PM |
#175 |
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Recommend - small nuanced changes enacted by congress |
xchrom |
May-21-10 05:48 PM |
#13 |
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Greider's article is also at MichaelMoore.com |
bananas |
May-21-10 05:53 PM |
#14 |
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Thanks for that link. Having trouble staying logged in at The Nation |
madfloridian |
May-21-10 06:07 PM |
#17 |
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Hands Off Social Security and Medicare! We need them !! //nt |
Overseas |
May-21-10 06:00 PM |
#15 |
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The seeds for the destruction of Medicare have already been planted... |
bvar22 |
May-22-10 11:24 AM |
#106 |
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that's how they do it. they never do it all at once; that would arouse too much opposition. |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:03 PM |
#143 |
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Take time to read all of the Alternet article. |
madfloridian |
May-21-10 06:11 PM |
#18 |
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The timing of the commission's recommendations is telling, is it not? |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 09:39 AM |
#69 |
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IF done, neither he nor we will see a Democratic President in 2012...or EVER AGAIN. |
WinkyDink |
May-21-10 06:19 PM |
#19 |
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He is our Tony Blair, as someone said. He IS in office with an agenda. |
Hardrada |
May-21-10 09:16 PM |
#21 |
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+1,000. |
katandmoon |
May-21-10 09:25 PM |
#23 |
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I am sure he feels he's doing God's work. |
glitch |
May-21-10 09:52 PM |
#31 |
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+ kazillion...nt |
femrap |
May-22-10 12:07 PM |
#122 |
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He is beyond your stale tired ideological debates and petty partisan bickering! |
kenny blankenship |
May-22-10 12:45 PM |
#127 |
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I said that. It becomes clearer every day. |
icee |
May-22-10 04:33 PM |
#185 |
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Now you have done it! I had a fairly good day - babysat 4 great |
jwirr |
May-21-10 09:23 PM |
#22 |
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Other than the usual liberal groups, I don't think Senior Citizens have ever organized . . . |
defendandprotect |
May-21-10 09:52 PM |
#30 |
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I don't think that would work this time. The guns will come out |
icee |
May-22-10 09:23 AM |
#64 |
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'normal teaparty people' |
femrap |
May-22-10 12:11 PM |
#123 |
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When AARP started it was an advocacy group and had some clout |
nichomachus |
May-22-10 04:22 PM |
#179 |
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delete |
nichomachus |
May-22-10 04:22 PM |
#180 |
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seniors organized as the Gray Panthers in the 1970s to fight mandatory retirement |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-10 05:34 PM |
#205 |
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No surprise. Wait til Medicare is privatized now that the new health insurance mandate is in place |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-21-10 09:28 PM |
#24 |
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The cuts HCR made to Medicare is the set up for that. |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 09:44 AM |
#72 |
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Yes thats the way right wing governments do it. |
LiberalLovinLug |
May-22-10 01:21 PM |
#131 |
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Thank you - I'm bookmarking this |
dana_b |
May-21-10 09:29 PM |
#25 |
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Agree and thank you |
Carter Hayes |
May-21-10 09:39 PM |
#26 |
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I like this paragraph from the Greider article: |
LongTomH |
May-21-10 09:41 PM |
#27 |
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+all in. nt |
glitch |
May-21-10 09:54 PM |
#33 |
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Agree with you and, ironically, as far as I know, Seniors have never organized????? |
defendandprotect |
May-21-10 09:54 PM |
#34 |
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? |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:06 PM |
#144 |
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Thank you -- hadn't heard much about them . . . even here at DU!! |
defendandprotect |
May-22-10 11:27 PM |
#224 |
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they used to get quite a bit of press -- not so much these days. but seniors also |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 04:14 AM |
#235 |
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Thanks for the info -- and I think we should get them back in picture . . . |
defendandprotect |
May-23-10 02:14 PM |
#249 |
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One more reason we need a more liberal/progressive candidate in 2012 . . . |
defendandprotect |
May-21-10 09:50 PM |
#29 |
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Don't you mean 2012? n/t |
ColesCountyDem |
May-21-10 10:43 PM |
#42 |
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Thank you . . . we need a liberal/progressive Dem candidate 2012. . . !! |
defendandprotect |
May-21-10 10:45 PM |
#43 |
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The Nation is so slow tonight...try this link from xchrom above. |
madfloridian |
May-21-10 09:54 PM |
#32 |
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Thanks for this. |
sabrina 1 |
May-21-10 09:58 PM |
#35 |
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I think their job should be the least they lose. |
glitch |
May-21-10 10:05 PM |
#36 |
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Not just the Cato Institute, but the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC. |
bvar22 |
May-22-10 11:44 AM |
#111 |
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Amazing , this is something I would |
Autumn |
May-21-10 10:17 PM |
#39 |
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TPM's Josh Marshall once called it "phasing out" Social Security. |
madfloridian |
May-21-10 10:23 PM |
#41 |
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exactly. if they abolished it all at once, people would be up in arms. it's |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:09 PM |
#145 |
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Not so sure Obama is a Democrat, not at this point. |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-22-10 08:47 AM |
#56 |
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After his speech |
Autumn |
May-22-10 09:58 AM |
#77 |
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I find myself more and more unable to listen, |
dgibby |
May-22-10 10:31 AM |
#93 |
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K+R Thank you for keeping us informed again Madflo. |
saracat |
May-22-10 02:50 AM |
#44 |
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Privatizing |
bonnieS |
May-22-10 06:43 AM |
#45 |
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This is what I am saying. |
Enthusiast |
May-22-10 07:50 AM |
#48 |
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Is Obama even a |
Enthusiast |
May-22-10 07:36 AM |
#46 |
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Wow! The news gets worse all the time. |
Time for change |
May-22-10 07:39 AM |
#47 |
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k&r |
blindpig |
May-22-10 07:50 AM |
#49 |
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If Obama's picks on that council try to support cutting benifits then Obama is toast. |
w4rma |
May-22-10 08:10 AM |
#52 |
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Guess who is exec director of the debt commission. Bruce Reed. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 08:33 AM |
#54 |
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How many here are within "shouting distance" of retirement?....I am and this REALLY pisses me off ! |
whathehell |
May-22-10 09:12 AM |
#58 |
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This would be an attack on the Baby Boomers....Wow. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 09:41 AM |
#70 |
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The time for raising hell is now |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 10:02 AM |
#80 |
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I agree...What can/should we do?...For one thing, should we re-institute the CFA's Pledge? |
whathehell |
May-22-10 10:38 AM |
#94 |
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CFA pledge would be a good start |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 11:11 AM |
#100 |
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I believe Campaign for America's Future started this...They may be the people to go back to. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 11:16 AM |
#103 |
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Good information. Thanks. nt |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 11:22 AM |
#105 |
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Your very welcome.....I've got more information here about the convention. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 11:53 AM |
#114 |
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I think it starts about June 7 this year. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 11:46 AM |
#112 |
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Yes, it starts on June 7th...Check out the post below yours. I have more details. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 11:55 AM |
#115 |
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Sorry...I meant the post Above yours...I've got the details here, at any rate. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 11:57 AM |
#116 |
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peterson's group is planning a major propaganda offensive in june - with town halls, etc. |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:16 PM |
#149 |
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That is so disturbing. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 03:28 PM |
#165 |
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Thanks for that....We should prepare for it. n/t |
whathehell |
May-22-10 05:32 PM |
#203 |
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yes. organizing & getting the word out should be happening now. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 12:47 AM |
#231 |
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Thanks for posting this link - looks like a great site! n/t |
Peregrine Took |
May-22-10 06:05 PM |
#208 |
| -
K & R |
Dinger |
May-22-10 09:43 AM |
#71 |
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The first post-baby boom, Reagan-era president. |
freddie mertz |
May-22-10 09:57 AM |
#75 |
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I've long felt that |
femrap |
May-22-10 12:51 PM |
#128 |
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One IMPORTANT thing, the money you speak about is not there --- Already spent by our government(s) |
Change Happens |
May-22-10 09:58 AM |
#76 |
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Fix it without privatizing it. Fix it without destroying it. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 10:07 AM |
#85 |
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Agreed..nt |
Change Happens |
May-23-10 06:50 AM |
#236 |
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Yes, they have 'borrowed' from the fund constantly... |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 10:11 AM |
#88 |
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So true...Yes, and very sad for our country |
Change Happens |
May-23-10 06:52 AM |
#237 |
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True...but isn't this exactly where the "fight" has always been?.. |
whathehell |
May-22-10 11:14 AM |
#101 |
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Like HELL it's not !!!!! |
westerebus |
May-22-10 11:59 AM |
#118 |
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+ a few trillion. nt |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 12:27 PM |
#125 |
| -
I didn't want to count all the mortgages we own. |
westerebus |
May-22-10 01:50 PM |
#136 |
| -
I fear |
femrap |
May-22-10 12:57 PM |
#129 |
| -
I know how you feel. |
westerebus |
May-22-10 01:18 PM |
#130 |
| -
Thanks for reminding me.... |
femrap |
May-22-10 01:24 PM |
#133 |
| -
Well Said! |
KoKo |
May-22-10 01:22 PM |
#132 |
| -
thanks. |
westerebus |
May-22-10 02:17 PM |
#150 |
| -
the money in your bank account is also "spent". |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:29 PM |
#152 |
| -
The only fix is to be accountable and call in the IOUs. n/t |
Catherina |
May-23-10 12:42 PM |
#246 |
| -
fuck him |
fascisthunter |
May-22-10 10:02 AM |
#79 |
| -
Who? |
Change Happens |
May-22-10 10:04 AM |
#82 |
| -
I participated in a focus group and the gist of it was to figure out how to inform |
flamingdem |
May-22-10 10:08 AM |
#86 |
| -
Interesting...I already knew of that option, but I wanted it to be a choice, not a mandate. n/t |
whathehell |
May-22-10 10:57 AM |
#97 |
| -
Part of the plan is to have private investment firms benefit more.... |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 12:33 PM |
#126 |
| -
the problem with that is that additional life expectancy has mostly accrued to the |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:37 PM |
#155 |
| -
Obama's Ugly New America discards the elderly, poor, sick- a national disgrace. |
n.michigan |
May-22-10 10:12 AM |
#89 |
| -
Doug Henwood has also been on this for a long time... |
JHB |
May-22-10 10:20 AM |
#92 |
| -
great charts. these facts need to get out there. |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:39 PM |
#156 |
| -
Oopps, a dupe |
John Q. Citizen |
May-22-10 10:47 AM |
#95 |
| -
Thanks for the great articles on Social Security, |
John Q. Citizen |
May-22-10 10:49 AM |
#96 |
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JUST sent a clip from this to WHITEHOUSE.GOV... asking HOW DARE YOU.... please do as well |
happygoluckytoyou |
May-22-10 11:08 AM |
#99 |
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While it's true that the math surrounding Social Security |
customerserviceguy |
May-22-10 11:17 AM |
#104 |
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Our payroll taxes financed the tax cuts for the wealthy. |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 11:34 AM |
#109 |
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They financed all kinds of things |
customerserviceguy |
May-22-10 12:06 PM |
#121 |
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Retirement age has already been raised and benefits are already barely enough to stave off ... |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 12:24 PM |
#124 |
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the money was borrowed by capital; over 1 trillion in income tax cuts to the top 1% |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:41 PM |
#157 |
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Agreed, they don't want to pay it back |
customerserviceguy |
May-23-10 11:39 AM |
#239 |
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it's not a ponzi scheme. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 11:45 AM |
#240 |
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It's being run like one |
customerserviceguy |
May-23-10 11:58 AM |
#241 |
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it's not a ponzi scheme. my retirement plans are immaterial to this discussion. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 12:07 PM |
#242 |
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OK, you keep on believing that, if you want to |
customerserviceguy |
May-23-10 12:40 PM |
#245 |
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i will continue to believe it because it's true. SS is nothing like a ponzi scheme, |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 12:55 PM |
#247 |
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K&R |
amborin |
May-22-10 11:26 AM |
#107 |
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The BEST fix. |
bvar22 |
May-22-10 11:57 AM |
#117 |
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Lots of big rhetoric without specifics here. |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 02:34 PM |
#153 |
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there's no scenario under which young people wind up paying 1/3 of their income to subsidize |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 02:46 PM |
#158 |
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We're nearly there already. |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 03:21 PM |
#163 |
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exactly the same % taken out of my check: 7.65%. Medicaid is funded through income taxes & state |
Hannah Bell |
May-22-10 03:39 PM |
#166 |
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I'm an hourly wage worker. |
Kermitt Gribble |
May-22-10 04:23 PM |
#181 |
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That's a very big chunk. |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 05:28 PM |
#200 |
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income tax has nothing to do with social security. social security tax is 6.2% of your paycheck. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 12:33 AM |
#228 |
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And when you're old and retired, |
Kermitt Gribble |
May-23-10 12:32 PM |
#244 |
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I'd pay more |
Radical Activist |
May-23-10 02:48 PM |
#252 |
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Wrong thread.. |
KoKo |
May-22-10 02:46 PM |
#159 |
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I've already paid a huge chunk of my income to social security |
northernlights |
May-22-10 03:10 PM |
#160 |
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You didn't "pay into" anything. No one did. |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 03:25 PM |
#164 |
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Um, I didn't write "paid into" anywhere...kindly don't put words in my keyboard |
northernlights |
May-22-10 03:39 PM |
#167 |
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you wrote: "I'd BETTER FUCKING GET BACK WHAT I PAID IN" |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 03:59 PM |
#172 |
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What I paid INTO THE SYSTEM |
northernlights |
May-22-10 05:27 PM |
#199 |
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Becuase its all about you personally and your story. |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 05:33 PM |
#204 |
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in fact, we paid for the benefits of others & over 1 trillion extra, which was funneled to the top |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 12:51 AM |
#232 |
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Given your posting history... |
liberation |
May-22-10 03:42 PM |
#169 |
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People who think that being progressive |
Radical Activist |
May-22-10 04:02 PM |
#174 |
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You are posting a lot of accusations about me. Please back them up. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 06:45 PM |
#213 |
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Overreaching accusations from me? Do you have examples? |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 06:43 PM |
#212 |
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I'm not going to win any friends here by what I, (as a Soc Sec recipient) say ..but |
activa8tr |
May-22-10 03:59 PM |
#171 |
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thanks for sharing your story nt |
flamingdem |
May-22-10 04:27 PM |
#183 |
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I am absolutely not. If Obama handles SS reforms like he did HCR, |
icee |
May-22-10 04:42 PM |
#188 |
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Well, I'm not sure how you arrived at that, but of course Obama had to deal with |
activa8tr |
May-22-10 04:55 PM |
#191 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-22-10 05:05 PM |
#193 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-22-10 06:47 PM |
#214 |
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How about dealing with the REAL "problem"....Senseless, bankrupting wars? |
whathehell |
May-22-10 05:28 PM |
#201 |
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Yeah, I'm all for that, and so are most seniors who are veterans |
activa8tr |
May-22-10 06:53 PM |
#215 |
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social security is almost 3 trillion in the black. it's not broken. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 01:04 AM |
#233 |
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You are very wrong. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 05:31 PM |
#202 |
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What am I "so very wrong" about? I'd love to learn something I don't |
activa8tr |
May-22-10 07:16 PM |
#217 |
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SS isn't a ponzi scheme. This is a right-wing meme. |
Hannah Bell |
May-23-10 12:43 AM |
#230 |
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Until we get corporate money out of politics, nothing will change n/t |
nichomachus |
May-22-10 04:23 PM |
#182 |
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Ironically enough, a Republican president had some wise words on this subject (among others) |
Sebastian Doyle |
May-22-10 04:36 PM |
#186 |
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True enough. But where do people posting here on this thread get the |
activa8tr |
May-22-10 04:43 PM |
#189 |
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It's been on the DLC's list for years. |
Sebastian Doyle |
May-22-10 05:09 PM |
#195 |
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Now _this_ is the loony left. Exhibit A. |
stevietheman |
May-22-10 05:19 PM |
#196 |
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wow--a real "deep thinker," aren't you? |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-10 05:41 PM |
#206 |
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He certainly is a man of his word. We know that, right?????????????? |
Peregrine Took |
May-22-10 06:06 PM |
#209 |
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You forgot the little sarcasm thingie, huh? nt |
laughingliberal |
May-22-10 06:32 PM |
#210 |
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First time I have been called the loony left. |
madfloridian |
May-22-10 11:35 PM |
#225 |
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Maybe we should have paid more attention to his reagan adoration fetish. |
Jakes Progress |
May-22-10 05:26 PM |
#198 |
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I've thought that for a while now. |
icee |
May-22-10 09:21 PM |
#221 |
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The comedic genius of Alan Greenspan |
Usrename |
May-22-10 09:09 PM |
#219 |
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DISASTER CAPITALISM |
Odin2005 |
May-22-10 09:12 PM |
#220 |
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Obama and Congressional Dems are already skating on the thin edge of not getting my vote |
MadHound |
May-23-10 07:03 AM |
#238 |
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If they do that... |
dajoki |
May-23-10 01:29 PM |
#248 |
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A look back at a Greider video, Feb. 2009. Looting Social Security. |
Jefferson23 |
May-23-10 04:21 PM |
#254 |
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Social Security funds/Medicare clearly are the target and the prize. |
stillwaiting |
May-23-10 05:34 PM |
#255 |
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Wow. Too late to rec. |
inna |
May-23-10 06:00 PM |
#256 |
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