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Greider at The Nation on how they are "reforming" Social Security without saying it out loud.
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There was an article in 1997 at the FAIR blog. It was called Here We Go Again. Can Social Security Survive Another "Rescue"

It is a point well made.

The rescue of Social Security has been a staple of American journalism for 20 years nowa story all the more remarkable in that Social Security has never been in peril except from its rescuers.

The rescues have all been based on faulty arithmetic. First, in 1977, the rescuers humbly confessed that they had made a mistake in adjusting benefits to inflation, as a result of which Social Security was threatening to go broke. (They never say the Army is threatening to "go broke," only that it needs more money to do the job that it's asked to do.) Not to worry. Amid the Yuletide hosannas of our massed punditry, our leaders found the courage to enact a correction that would, they swore, assure solvency into the 21st Century.

..."A bipartisan commission under Alan Greenspan went to work on the numbers, while the media developed an unprecedented campaign of vilification of the elderly. On magazine covers, in cartoons and columns and on broadcast commentaries innumerable, they were depicted as hogs, vampires, sharks, gorillas and card sharps scooping up the sustenance of the young. While the investment banker Peter G. Peterson led the media legions, Greenspan fabricated a hurricane warning. Multiplying one false assumption by another (for example, he assumed that the C.P.I. would rise nearly three times as fast as it actually did rise, while his private firm was forecasting an even smaller increase), he predicted that Social Security would go bankrupt in 1983.

The scare headlines permitted Congress in early 1983 to enact a bill acclaimed in headlines as a great rescue. In addition to the previously scheduled cut of 20 percent in benefits for new retirees, it clipped six months of cost-of-living adjustment from all then and future beneficiaries, raised payroll taxes further and postponed the retirement age from 65 to 67 in phases to begin in 2002.

The solvency of Social Security was thus assured for 75 more years. The euphoria was such that when some new retirees learned that their benefits were taking a double hit and complained, they suffered the righteous wrath of the massed media. They were called "Greedy Geezers": "Avaricious," "spiteful" people who would snatch food from babies a media image of America's elderly that persists to this day.


Ain't it amazing? Peterson's propaganda is still being catapulted even today. From The Nation article in the June 7 issue by William Greider.

Whacking Old Folks

In setting up his National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, Barack Obama is again playing coy in public, but his intentions are widely understood among Washington insiders. The president intends to offer Social Security as a sacrificial lamb to entice conservative deficit hawks into a grand bipartisan compromise in which Democrats agree to cut Social Security benefits for future retirees while Republicans accede to significant tax increases to reduce government red ink.

..."The president has stacked the deck to encourage this strategy. The eighteen-member commission is top-heavy with fiscal conservatives and hostile right-wingers who yearn to dismantle the retirement program. The Republican co-chair, former Senator Alan Simpson, is especially nasty; he likes to get laughs by ridiculing wheezy old folks. Democratic co-chair Erskine Bowles and staff director Bruce Reed secretly negotiated a partial privatization of Social Security with Newt Gingrich back when they served in the Clinton White House, but the deal blew up with Clinton's sex scandal. Monica Lewinsky saved the system.


Here is more from Greider's article.

What's extraordinary about this assault on Social Security is that a Democratic president is leading it. Obama is arm in arm with GOP conservatives like Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson, who for decades has demonized Social Security as a grave threat to the Republic and has spread some $12 million among economists, think tanks, foundations and assorted front groups to sell his case. If Obama pulls the deal off, this will be his version of "Nixon goes to China"a leader proving his manhood by going against his party's convictions. Even if he fails, the president will get some protective cover on the deficit issue. After all, he is targeting Big Government's most beloved and trusted programthe New Deal's most prominent pillar.

Obama's initiative rests on two falsehoods spread by Peterson's propagandathe notion that Social Security somehow contributes to the swollen federal deficits and that cutting benefits will address this problem. Obama and his advisers do not say this in so many words, but their rhetoric implies that Social Security is a big source of the deficit problem. Major media promote the same falsehoods. Here is what the media don't tell you: Social Security has accumulated a massive surplus$2.5 trillion now, rising to $4.3 trillion by 2023. This vast wealth was collected over many years from workers under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) to pay in advance for baby boom retirements. The money will cover all benefits until the 2040sunless Congress double-crosses workers by changing the rules. This nest egg does not belong to the government; it belongs to the people who paid for it. FICA is not a tax but involuntary savings.


He warns us to fight. I doubt we will fight over this any more than people are fighting to keep this administration from privatizing education. It is being done right before our eyes, yet even at Democratic forums there is no outrage, just denial.

Citizens can win this fight if they mobilize smartly. We can do this by arousing public alarm right now, while members of Congress face a treacherous election and before Obama can work out his deal. Some liberal groups are discussing a "take the pledge" campaign that demands senators and representatives sign commitments to keep Hands Off Social Security Benefits. If politicians refuse to sign, put them on the target list for November. Barack Obama is standing on the third rail of politicslet's give him a warning jolt.


Speaking of asking congress to take a pledge, Will Marshall of the DLC and the PPI once wrote a little article about liberals who did that...he said they were "camp meeting converts swearing off demon rum".

Will Marshall attacks the Social Security Pledge

It is from 2002.

Like camp meeting converts swearing off demon rum, nearly every Democratic candidate for Congress dutifully took the Pledge. They vowed to never, ever allow working Americans to divert some portion of their Social Security payroll taxes into personal retirement accounts. In leftish circles, this goes by the name of "privatization" and is regarded as the ultimate political thought crime.

..."The pledge is the brainchild of the Campaign for America's Future, a union-backed organization that is to Social Security and Medicare what the Inquisition was to medieval Christiandom. Its latter-day Torquemadas enforce New Deal-Great Society orthodoxy and ferret out heresy with religious zeal.


There is an long article at Alternet about the members of the Debt Commission and their agendas.

Greider was right in the article above...it is packed with those who will turn the future of Social Security over to private companies.

Many younger people don't have a clue about what Social Security and Medicare actually are, and how many people depend on them.

I suggest that they learn very quickly, and I suggest they fight back against such plans. Ask yourself how well you can financially take care of your parents or grandparents if such social nets are allowed to fail.






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  -Greider at The Nation on how they are "reforming" Social Security without saying it out loud. madfloridian  May-21-10 05:06 PM   #0 
  - How dare Obama turn against Social Security?  CaliforniaPeggy   May-21-10 05:13 PM   #1 
  - This is not what I expect from a supposedly Democratic President.  DJ13   May-21-10 05:17 PM   #2 
  - +1,000 n/t  tonysam   May-21-10 05:27 PM   #4 
  - Some of us saw the "stealth" before, but were attacked if we dared hint at it.  bobbolink   May-21-10 10:20 PM   #40 
  - +1,000,000  zabet   May-22-10 08:00 AM   #51 
  - Exactly  peace frog   May-22-10 09:08 AM   #57 
  - I never attacked anyone,  dgibby   May-22-10 10:18 AM   #91 
  - AMEN!  ShortnFiery   May-22-10 02:11 PM   #146 
  - Yours is the pain that bothers me the most about all of this..... people who have had their trust  bobbolink   May-22-10 07:04 PM   #216 
  - Why didn't they index it to cover increases in life expectancy?  TampaAnimus2010   May-23-10 02:29 PM   #250 
  - Having phone banked and beat the streets for this four flusher  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 11:31 AM   #108 
  - I'm with you......I feel quite betrayed. n/t  whathehell   May-22-10 05:25 PM   #197 
     - We once drove 100 miles to see the 4 flusher now I wouldn't cross the street.  Peregrine Took   May-22-10 05:53 PM   #207 
  - Absolutely  MissDeeds   May-22-10 03:18 PM   #161 
     - Unfortunately, both Hillary (a corporatist hawk) and Edwards (a monumental douche) are as bad  liberation   May-22-10 03:41 PM   #168 
        - It is time for a monumental effort for a write in campaign  ooglymoogly   May-23-10 12:31 PM   #243 
  - I have said that for a long time now. He is a DINO, a hired gun  icee   May-22-10 09:13 AM   #60 
  - Obama not a democrat?  Citizen Worker   May-22-10 09:31 AM   #66 
  - Not just Hillary and Obama,  bvar22   May-22-10 11:14 AM   #102 
     - They are doing God's work  avaistheone1   May-22-10 01:44 PM   #134 
  - The simple fact is  Mike K   May-22-10 02:20 PM   #151 
  - "Brand Obama"...  bvar22   May-22-10 03:18 PM   #162 
  - That's not entirely true  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:19 PM   #178 
  - Just one more betrayal in a very long line, Peggy.  dgibby   May-22-10 10:15 AM   #90 
  - Clinton did the same deal--and except for Monica, would have  bbgrunt   May-22-10 01:46 PM   #135 
  - Beyond forming a committee which doesn't appear to have done anything yet  Telly Savalas   May-22-10 02:11 PM   #147 
     - He didn't get the votes for the binding proposal so he went Executive Order  TheKentuckian   May-23-10 12:42 AM   #229 
  - The notion that the President is secretly reforming Social Security is ludicrous.  ProSense   May-21-10 05:26 PM   #3 
  - Coming from you I take anything you say with a grain of salt.  tonysam   May-21-10 05:28 PM   # 
  - Thanks for letting me know. n/t  ProSense   May-21-10 05:32 PM   #8 
  - +1000!  SammyWinstonJack   May-22-10 08:35 AM   #55 
  - Clearly! nt  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 11:35 AM   #110 
  - Agreed.  closeupready   May-22-10 03:59 PM   #173 
  - Do not be surprised when Grieder is proven correct.  OHdem10   May-21-10 06:47 PM   #20 
  - So far he's batting 1000.  glitch   May-21-10 09:49 PM   #28 
  - Well, he's not correct about it being a secret.  ProSense   May-21-10 10:09 PM   #37 
     - Yeah like not assessing even the barest  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 11:47 AM   #113 
     - that's a senate report, not the report of the deficit commission. & some of  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:51 PM   #138 
        - Remember all the good things we were going to get out of  ooglymoogly   May-22-10 07:38 PM   #218 
           - And O gets away with it solely because of that stinking "D" after his name.  bobbolink   May-22-10 09:35 PM   #222 
  - I no longer believe anything you say. No matter what he does,  icee   May-22-10 09:18 AM   #61 
  - + 100000.  freddie mertz   May-22-10 09:55 AM   #74 
  - So the article from the Senate Committee of Aging is a forgery?  Telly Savalas   May-22-10 02:14 PM   #148 
  - Pot meet kettle, when everything you say goes against him, your  treestar   May-22-10 03:43 PM   #170 
  - Way past that with this one... But, clearly, I see where you are.  icee   May-22-10 04:28 PM   #184 
  - There are several like that here  MissDeeds   May-22-10 04:40 PM   #187 
  - Yeah. I understand what you mean. Let's alls stick together.  icee   May-22-10 04:57 PM   #192 
     - Works for me  MissDeeds   May-22-10 05:08 PM   #194 
  - Unfortunately, I don't think so. I think everyone is either too beaten down, or just mesmerized.  bobbolink   May-22-10 09:37 PM   #223 
     - And that, sir, is my greatest fear. For then we are truly doomed. I  icee   May-22-10 11:36 PM   #226 
        - Your scenario gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Just shoot me".  bobbolink   May-23-10 07:28 PM   #257 
  - Bookmarking. nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:18 AM   #62 
  - If you deny it, there must be something to it.  freddie mertz   May-22-10 09:53 AM   #73 
  - +1  Yuugal   May-22-10 04:09 PM   #176 
  - THANK YOU!  Change Happens   May-22-10 10:06 AM   #84 
  - Considering how your batting average is .000, NOW I'm really worried.  donco6   May-22-10 10:59 AM   #98 
  - Yes, this has been debunked before.  tabatha   May-22-10 04:13 PM   #177 
     - Read who is on the debt commission.  madfloridian   May-22-10 06:42 PM   #211 
  - Correct Me If I Am Misinformed  Me.   May-21-10 05:28 PM   #5 
  - "cannot act without a vote in Congress"  ProSense   May-21-10 05:31 PM   #6 
  - I'm Not Sure About Unsubstantiated  Me.   May-21-10 10:12 PM   #38 
     - Vigilance.... Always.  whathehell   May-22-10 09:18 AM   #63 
  - And that is only because the Senate did not pass the bill for the creation of the commission.  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:31 AM   #65 
     - A couple of important points:  Lasher   May-23-10 12:07 AM   #227 
        - We dodged the first bullet,  bvar22   May-23-10 02:38 PM   #251 
  - Obama's mother-in-law will straighten him out soon enough...n/t  monmouth   May-21-10 05:31 PM   #7 
  - I'll eat my shorts if politicians actually vote to end Social Security.  Lone_Star_Dem   May-21-10 05:32 PM   #9 
  - Maybe we need to means test it though.  dkf   May-21-10 05:37 PM   #10 
  - No we don't need to means test it, but we do need to remove the payroll tax cap. (nt)  w4rma   May-22-10 08:23 AM   #53 
  - If we did that, wouldn't the people making huge salaries get an even bigger check when they retire?  CrispyQ   May-22-10 09:12 AM   #59 
  - The relationship between paying in & taking out later is not linear.  Jackpine Radical   May-22-10 10:03 AM   #81 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:32 AM   #67 
  - removing the cap is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:01 PM   #142 
  - Means testing will make it easier for them to completely dismantle it  bullwinkle428   May-22-10 10:09 AM   #87 
  - I believe a 'means test'  femrap   May-22-10 11:59 AM   #119 
  - Thank you for that post, femrap. I agree with you.  bertman   May-22-10 01:51 PM   #137 
  - more means-testing is a trojan horse intended to dissolve support for the program  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:59 PM   #141 
     - I guess  femrap   May-22-10 04:54 PM   #190 
        - Social security is financed by workers; the well-heeled pay more (total) going in;  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 01:16 AM   #234 
           - I don't disagree with you.  femrap   May-23-10 03:47 PM   #253 
  - social security is already means-tested through the tax on benefits.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:57 PM   #140 
  - Absolutely.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 02:37 PM   #154 
  - Nowhere did I say they would "end" it.  madfloridian   May-21-10 05:42 PM   #11 
  - Correct. I will eat my shorts if politicians vote to privatize Social Security  Lone_Star_Dem   May-21-10 05:47 PM   #12 
  - No, NO..They aren't going to "END" Social Security.  bvar22   May-21-10 06:02 PM   #16 
  - I've learned to be on the lookout  tango-tee   May-22-10 07:51 AM   #50 
  - None so blind as those...nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:34 AM   #68 
  - Yup, yup. That's it. Lying liars that lie.  TheKentuckian   May-22-10 09:59 AM   #78 
  - Yep  femrap   May-22-10 12:04 PM   #120 
  - +1  Change Happens   May-22-10 10:05 AM   #83 
  - they won't. they'll vote for "tweaks" intended to divide support for it.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 01:57 PM   #139 
  - There will never be a vote to "end Social Security."  Mike K   May-22-10 04:05 PM   #175 
  - Recommend - small nuanced changes enacted by congress  xchrom   May-21-10 05:48 PM   #13 
  - Greider's article is also at MichaelMoore.com  bananas   May-21-10 05:53 PM   #14 
  - Thanks for that link. Having trouble staying logged in at The Nation  madfloridian   May-21-10 06:07 PM   #17 
  - Hands Off Social Security and Medicare! We need them !! //nt  Overseas   May-21-10 06:00 PM   #15 
  - The seeds for the destruction of Medicare have already been planted...  bvar22   May-22-10 11:24 AM   #106 
     - that's how they do it. they never do it all at once; that would arouse too much opposition.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:03 PM   #143 
  - Take time to read all of the Alternet article.  madfloridian   May-21-10 06:11 PM   #18 
  - The timing of the commission's recommendations is telling, is it not?  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:39 AM   #69 
  - IF done, neither he nor we will see a Democratic President in 2012...or EVER AGAIN.  WinkyDink   May-21-10 06:19 PM   #19 
  - He is our Tony Blair, as someone said. He IS in office with an agenda.  Hardrada   May-21-10 09:16 PM   #21 
     - +1,000.  katandmoon   May-21-10 09:25 PM   #23 
     - I am sure he feels he's doing God's work.  glitch   May-21-10 09:52 PM   #31 
     - + kazillion...nt  femrap   May-22-10 12:07 PM   #122 
     - He is beyond your stale tired ideological debates and petty partisan bickering!  kenny blankenship   May-22-10 12:45 PM   #127 
     - I said that. It becomes clearer every day.  icee   May-22-10 04:33 PM   #185 
  - Now you have done it! I had a fairly good day - babysat 4 great  jwirr   May-21-10 09:23 PM   #22 
  - Other than the usual liberal groups, I don't think Senior Citizens have ever organized . . .  defendandprotect   May-21-10 09:52 PM   #30 
     - I don't think that would work this time. The guns will come out  icee   May-22-10 09:23 AM   #64 
     - 'normal teaparty people'  femrap   May-22-10 12:11 PM   #123 
     - When AARP started it was an advocacy group and had some clout  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:22 PM   #179 
     - delete  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:22 PM   #180 
     - seniors organized as the Gray Panthers in the 1970s to fight mandatory retirement  ima_sinnic   May-22-10 05:34 PM   #205 
  - No surprise. Wait til Medicare is privatized now that the new health insurance mandate is in place  Nikki Stone1   May-21-10 09:28 PM   #24 
  - The cuts HCR made to Medicare is the set up for that.  laughingliberal   May-22-10 09:44 AM   #72 
     - Yes thats the way right wing governments do it.  LiberalLovinLug   May-22-10 01:21 PM   #131 
  - Thank you - I'm bookmarking this  dana_b   May-21-10 09:29 PM   #25 
  - Agree and thank you  Carter Hayes   May-21-10 09:39 PM   #26 
  - I like this paragraph from the Greider article:  LongTomH   May-21-10 09:41 PM   #27 
  - +all in. nt  glitch   May-21-10 09:54 PM   #33 
  - Agree with you and, ironically, as far as I know, Seniors have never organized?????  defendandprotect   May-21-10 09:54 PM   #34 
     - ?  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:06 PM   #144 
        - Thank you -- hadn't heard much about them . . . even here at DU!!  defendandprotect   May-22-10 11:27 PM   #224 
           - they used to get quite a bit of press -- not so much these days. but seniors also  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 04:14 AM   #235 
              - Thanks for the info -- and I think we should get them back in picture . . .  defendandprotect   May-23-10 02:14 PM   #249 
  - One more reason we need a more liberal/progressive candidate in 2012 . . .  defendandprotect   May-21-10 09:50 PM   #29 
  - Don't you mean 2012? n/t  ColesCountyDem   May-21-10 10:43 PM   #42 
     - Thank you . . . we need a liberal/progressive Dem candidate 2012. . . !!  defendandprotect   May-21-10 10:45 PM   #43 
  - The Nation is so slow tonight...try this link from xchrom above.  madfloridian   May-21-10 09:54 PM   #32 
  - Thanks for this.  sabrina 1   May-21-10 09:58 PM   #35 
  - I think their job should be the least they lose.  glitch   May-21-10 10:05 PM   #36 
  - Not just the Cato Institute, but the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC.  bvar22   May-22-10 11:44 AM   #111 
  - Amazing , this is something I would  Autumn   May-21-10 10:17 PM   #39 
  - TPM's Josh Marshall once called it "phasing out" Social Security.  madfloridian   May-21-10 10:23 PM   #41 
  - exactly. if they abolished it all at once, people would be up in arms. it's  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:09 PM   #145 
  - Not so sure Obama is a Democrat, not at this point.  SammyWinstonJack   May-22-10 08:47 AM   #56 
     - After his speech  Autumn   May-22-10 09:58 AM   #77 
        - I find myself more and more unable to listen,  dgibby   May-22-10 10:31 AM   #93 
  - K+R Thank you for keeping us informed again Madflo.  saracat   May-22-10 02:50 AM   #44 
  - Privatizing  bonnieS   May-22-10 06:43 AM   #45 
  - This is what I am saying.  Enthusiast   May-22-10 07:50 AM   #48 
  - Is Obama even a  Enthusiast   May-22-10 07:36 AM   #46 
  - Wow! The news gets worse all the time.  Time for change   May-22-10 07:39 AM   #47 
  - k&r  blindpig   May-22-10 07:50 AM   #49 
  - If Obama's picks on that council try to support cutting benifits then Obama is toast.  w4rma   May-22-10 08:10 AM   #52 
  - Guess who is exec director of the debt commission. Bruce Reed.  madfloridian   May-22-10 08:33 AM   #54 
  - How many here are within "shouting distance" of retirement?....I am and this REALLY pisses me off !  whathehell   May-22-10 09:12 AM   #58 
  - This would be an attack on the Baby Boomers....Wow.  whathehell   May-22-10 09:41 AM   #70 
  - The time for raising hell is now  laughingliberal   May-22-10 10:02 AM   #80 
     - I agree...What can/should we do?...For one thing, should we re-institute the CFA's Pledge?  whathehell   May-22-10 10:38 AM   #94 
        - CFA pledge would be a good start  laughingliberal   May-22-10 11:11 AM   #100 
           - I believe Campaign for America's Future started this...They may be the people to go back to.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:16 AM   #103 
              - Good information. Thanks. nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 11:22 AM   #105 
              - Your very welcome.....I've got more information here about the convention.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:53 AM   #114 
              - I think it starts about June 7 this year.  madfloridian   May-22-10 11:46 AM   #112 
                 - Yes, it starts on June 7th...Check out the post below yours. I have more details.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:55 AM   #115 
                 - Sorry...I meant the post Above yours...I've got the details here, at any rate.  whathehell   May-22-10 11:57 AM   #116 
                 - peterson's group is planning a major propaganda offensive in june - with town halls, etc.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:16 PM   #149 
                    - That is so disturbing.  madfloridian   May-22-10 03:28 PM   #165 
                    - Thanks for that....We should prepare for it. n/t  whathehell   May-22-10 05:32 PM   #203 
                    - yes. organizing & getting the word out should be happening now.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:47 AM   #231 
                    - Thanks for posting this link - looks like a great site! n/t  Peregrine Took   May-22-10 06:05 PM   #208 
  - K & R  Dinger   May-22-10 09:43 AM   #71 
  - The first post-baby boom, Reagan-era president.  freddie mertz   May-22-10 09:57 AM   #75 
  - I've long felt that  femrap   May-22-10 12:51 PM   #128 
  - One IMPORTANT thing, the money you speak about is not there --- Already spent by our government(s)  Change Happens   May-22-10 09:58 AM   #76 
  - Fix it without privatizing it. Fix it without destroying it.  madfloridian   May-22-10 10:07 AM   #85 
  - Agreed..nt  Change Happens   May-23-10 06:50 AM   #236 
  - Yes, they have 'borrowed' from the fund constantly...  laughingliberal   May-22-10 10:11 AM   #88 
  - So true...Yes, and very sad for our country  Change Happens   May-23-10 06:52 AM   #237 
  - True...but isn't this exactly where the "fight" has always been?..  whathehell   May-22-10 11:14 AM   #101 
  - Like HELL it's not !!!!!  westerebus   May-22-10 11:59 AM   #118 
  - + a few trillion. nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 12:27 PM   #125 
  - I didn't want to count all the mortgages we own.  westerebus   May-22-10 01:50 PM   #136 
  - I fear  femrap   May-22-10 12:57 PM   #129 
  - I know how you feel.  westerebus   May-22-10 01:18 PM   #130 
     - Thanks for reminding me....  femrap   May-22-10 01:24 PM   #133 
  - Well Said!  KoKo   May-22-10 01:22 PM   #132 
     - thanks.  westerebus   May-22-10 02:17 PM   #150 
  - the money in your bank account is also "spent".  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:29 PM   #152 
  - The only fix is to be accountable and call in the IOUs. n/t  Catherina   May-23-10 12:42 PM   #246 
  - fuck him  fascisthunter   May-22-10 10:02 AM   #79 
  - Who?  Change Happens   May-22-10 10:04 AM   #82 
  - I participated in a focus group and the gist of it was to figure out how to inform  flamingdem   May-22-10 10:08 AM   #86 
  - Interesting...I already knew of that option, but I wanted it to be a choice, not a mandate. n/t  whathehell   May-22-10 10:57 AM   #97 
  - Part of the plan is to have private investment firms benefit more....  madfloridian   May-22-10 12:33 PM   #126 
  - the problem with that is that additional life expectancy has mostly accrued to the  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:37 PM   #155 
  - Obama's Ugly New America discards the elderly, poor, sick- a national disgrace.  n.michigan   May-22-10 10:12 AM   #89 
  - Doug Henwood has also been on this for a long time...  JHB   May-22-10 10:20 AM   #92 
  - great charts. these facts need to get out there.  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:39 PM   #156 
  - Oopps, a dupe  John Q. Citizen   May-22-10 10:47 AM   #95 
  - Thanks for the great articles on Social Security,  John Q. Citizen   May-22-10 10:49 AM   #96 
  - JUST sent a clip from this to WHITEHOUSE.GOV... asking HOW DARE YOU.... please do as well  happygoluckytoyou   May-22-10 11:08 AM   #99 
  - While it's true that the math surrounding Social Security  customerserviceguy   May-22-10 11:17 AM   #104 
  - Our payroll taxes financed the tax cuts for the wealthy.  laughingliberal   May-22-10 11:34 AM   #109 
  - They financed all kinds of things  customerserviceguy   May-22-10 12:06 PM   #121 
     - Retirement age has already been raised and benefits are already barely enough to stave off ...  laughingliberal   May-22-10 12:24 PM   #124 
  - the money was borrowed by capital; over 1 trillion in income tax cuts to the top 1%  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:41 PM   #157 
     - Agreed, they don't want to pay it back  customerserviceguy   May-23-10 11:39 AM   #239 
        - it's not a ponzi scheme.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 11:45 AM   #240 
           - It's being run like one  customerserviceguy   May-23-10 11:58 AM   #241 
              - it's not a ponzi scheme. my retirement plans are immaterial to this discussion.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:07 PM   #242 
                 - OK, you keep on believing that, if you want to  customerserviceguy   May-23-10 12:40 PM   #245 
                    - i will continue to believe it because it's true. SS is nothing like a ponzi scheme,  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:55 PM   #247 
  - K&R  amborin   May-22-10 11:26 AM   #107 
  - The BEST fix.  bvar22   May-22-10 11:57 AM   #117 
  - Lots of big rhetoric without specifics here.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 02:34 PM   #153 
  - there's no scenario under which young people wind up paying 1/3 of their income to subsidize  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 02:46 PM   #158 
  - We're nearly there already.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 03:21 PM   #163 
     - exactly the same % taken out of my check: 7.65%. Medicaid is funded through income taxes & state  Hannah Bell   May-22-10 03:39 PM   #166 
     - I'm an hourly wage worker.  Kermitt Gribble   May-22-10 04:23 PM   #181 
        - That's a very big chunk.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 05:28 PM   #200 
           - income tax has nothing to do with social security. social security tax is 6.2% of your paycheck.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:33 AM   #228 
           - And when you're old and retired,  Kermitt Gribble   May-23-10 12:32 PM   #244 
              - I'd pay more  Radical Activist   May-23-10 02:48 PM   #252 
  - Wrong thread..  KoKo   May-22-10 02:46 PM   #159 
  - I've already paid a huge chunk of my income to social security  northernlights   May-22-10 03:10 PM   #160 
  - You didn't "pay into" anything. No one did.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 03:25 PM   #164 
     - Um, I didn't write "paid into" anywhere...kindly don't put words in my keyboard  northernlights   May-22-10 03:39 PM   #167 
        - you wrote: "I'd BETTER FUCKING GET BACK WHAT I PAID IN"  Radical Activist   May-22-10 03:59 PM   #172 
           - What I paid INTO THE SYSTEM  northernlights   May-22-10 05:27 PM   #199 
              - Becuase its all about you personally and your story.  Radical Activist   May-22-10 05:33 PM   #204 
                 - in fact, we paid for the benefits of others & over 1 trillion extra, which was funneled to the top  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:51 AM   #232 
  - Given your posting history...  liberation   May-22-10 03:42 PM   #169 
  - People who think that being progressive  Radical Activist   May-22-10 04:02 PM   #174 
     - You are posting a lot of accusations about me. Please back them up.  madfloridian   May-22-10 06:45 PM   #213 
  - Overreaching accusations from me? Do you have examples?  madfloridian   May-22-10 06:43 PM   #212 
  - I'm not going to win any friends here by what I, (as a Soc Sec recipient) say ..but  activa8tr   May-22-10 03:59 PM   #171 
  - thanks for sharing your story nt  flamingdem   May-22-10 04:27 PM   #183 
  - I am absolutely not. If Obama handles SS reforms like he did HCR,  icee   May-22-10 04:42 PM   #188 
  - Well, I'm not sure how you arrived at that, but of course Obama had to deal with  activa8tr   May-22-10 04:55 PM   #191 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-10 05:05 PM   #193 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-10 06:47 PM   #214 
     - How about dealing with the REAL "problem"....Senseless, bankrupting wars?  whathehell   May-22-10 05:28 PM   #201 
     - Yeah, I'm all for that, and so are most seniors who are veterans  activa8tr   May-22-10 06:53 PM   #215 
     - social security is almost 3 trillion in the black. it's not broken.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 01:04 AM   #233 
  - You are very wrong.  madfloridian   May-22-10 05:31 PM   #202 
  - What am I "so very wrong" about? I'd love to learn something I don't  activa8tr   May-22-10 07:16 PM   #217 
  - SS isn't a ponzi scheme. This is a right-wing meme.  Hannah Bell   May-23-10 12:43 AM   #230 
  - Until we get corporate money out of politics, nothing will change n/t  nichomachus   May-22-10 04:23 PM   #182 
  - Ironically enough, a Republican president had some wise words on this subject (among others)  Sebastian Doyle   May-22-10 04:36 PM   #186 
  - True enough. But where do people posting here on this thread get the  activa8tr   May-22-10 04:43 PM   #189 
     - It's been on the DLC's list for years.  Sebastian Doyle   May-22-10 05:09 PM   #195 
  - Now _this_ is the loony left. Exhibit A.  stevietheman   May-22-10 05:19 PM   #196 
  - wow--a real "deep thinker," aren't you?  ima_sinnic   May-22-10 05:41 PM   #206 
  - He certainly is a man of his word. We know that, right??????????????  Peregrine Took   May-22-10 06:06 PM   #209 
  - You forgot the little sarcasm thingie, huh? nt  laughingliberal   May-22-10 06:32 PM   #210 
  - First time I have been called the loony left.  madfloridian   May-22-10 11:35 PM   #225 
  - Maybe we should have paid more attention to his reagan adoration fetish.  Jakes Progress   May-22-10 05:26 PM   #198 
  - I've thought that for a while now.  icee   May-22-10 09:21 PM   #221 
  - The comedic genius of Alan Greenspan  Usrename   May-22-10 09:09 PM   #219 
  - DISASTER CAPITALISM  Odin2005   May-22-10 09:12 PM   #220 
  - Obama and Congressional Dems are already skating on the thin edge of not getting my vote  MadHound   May-23-10 07:03 AM   #238 
  - If they do that...  dajoki   May-23-10 01:29 PM   #248 
  - A look back at a Greider video, Feb. 2009. Looting Social Security.  Jefferson23   May-23-10 04:21 PM   #254 
  - Social Security funds/Medicare clearly are the target and the prize.  stillwaiting   May-23-10 05:34 PM   #255 
  - Wow. Too late to rec.  inna   May-23-10 06:00 PM   #256 
 

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