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Sun May-23-10 11:06 AM
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| 157. Yeah, you kids seem to think that.. |
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the immigration issue is only about hispanics. I want everyone included HB1 visas recipents come out!come out wherever you are! Illegals coming across the canadian border..
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| -Little Girl Who Challenged First Lady Is Right: Obama Is Deporting More Immigrants Than Ever |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 03:12 PM |
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My thread on the Dream Act that he said he supporeted sank like |
EFerrari |
May-20-10 03:14 PM |
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1 out of 4 DUers SUPPORT the Arizona bill. |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 03:19 PM |
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I was having a delightful day and then I posted that poll. |
blondeatlast |
May-20-10 03:40 PM |
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HAHA |
Confusious |
May-21-10 03:35 PM |
#57 |
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begging your pardon |
William Z. Foster |
May-22-10 01:48 PM |
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I beg your pardon, was I talking to you? |
Confusious |
May-22-10 02:29 PM |
#143 |
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not so |
William Z. Foster |
May-22-10 03:56 PM |
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As for your articles |
Confusious |
May-22-10 02:42 PM |
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thanks |
William Z. Foster |
May-22-10 04:24 PM |
#154 |
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I think this was |
pintobean |
May-21-10 04:29 PM |
#61 |
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The moderators locked you out of that thread |
harkadog |
May-21-10 07:39 PM |
#67 |
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One of those kids is gay and his family came from Iran. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-20-10 04:16 PM |
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Wow, 28 out of 142 votes in the poll. Now that certainly is a definitive reflection |
elocs |
May-20-10 04:35 PM |
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It got locked so most couldn't vote |
dkf |
May-21-10 08:40 PM |
#76 |
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Actually, it's 36 posters who chose to vote in that poll. |
TexasObserver |
May-20-10 05:48 PM |
#40 |
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wrong spot |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 03:18 PM |
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That's a powerful article, video and graph |
suffragette |
May-20-10 03:23 PM |
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Another opinion posted at the exact time as you |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 03:28 PM |
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I feel that way sometimes, too |
suffragette |
May-20-10 03:47 PM |
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Is HuffPo really trying to spin that enforcing the law |
SpartanDem |
May-20-10 03:23 PM |
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Yes, they are a bunch of libs who support lawlessness & anarchy |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 03:27 PM |
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Nobody's deporting immigrants (unless they commit felonies). |
Lance_Boyle |
May-20-10 03:28 PM |
#7 |
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Super, then you'll feel safer at night. |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 03:32 PM |
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Incorrect. This is beginning in my town, because of Arizona. |
Dank Nugs |
May-20-10 03:33 PM |
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that doesn't appear to say anything about legal residents being deported... n/t |
Lance_Boyle |
May-20-10 03:36 PM |
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Doesn't negate the fact that it violates the 4th n/t |
Dank Nugs |
May-20-10 03:39 PM |
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It does? How so? |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:05 PM |
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It is a blanket policy, not limited in scope to the crime the person being arrested is accused of |
Dank Nugs |
May-20-10 04:11 PM |
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Being sent back to your home country, is not criminal punishment, though. |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:18 PM |
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Yeah, along with 4 kids born in the US who have never known anything different. |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 04:19 PM |
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I believe those children should stay with their parents, but have US citizenship to return |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:24 PM |
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Protecting American children is one of the Progressive Caucus' goals with immigration reform. |
pampango |
May-21-10 07:50 AM |
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of course it is |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:45 PM |
#115 |
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Are you a lawyer? |
Confusious |
May-21-10 03:59 PM |
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Not so sure about that |
suffragette |
May-20-10 03:40 PM |
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No surprise here |
Dank Nugs |
May-20-10 03:31 PM |
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Increased deportations are the result of a massive increase in border security |
grantcart |
May-20-10 03:37 PM |
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+ 1 NT |
ecstatic |
May-20-10 04:23 PM |
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1.5% of illegal aliens in the US are criminally deported each year? |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 03:59 PM |
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If they are here illegally, why would we not deport them? I'm confused as to the problem here. |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:03 PM |
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No problem, glad you feel safer |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 04:15 PM |
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Safer? What are you talking about? I said nothing about safety one way or another. |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:22 PM |
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'it's just the right thing to do' - you're all heart. |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 04:30 PM |
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Sorry, but illegal is illegal. Getting sent back isn't criminal punishment, and |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:34 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-20-10 04:37 PM |
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The problem is that the government |
getthefacts |
May-20-10 04:50 PM |
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Oh, the kids again. Well, y'know many kids are moved to places they don't know |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:53 PM |
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"Get over it" - disgusting. |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 04:55 PM |
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You misunderstood me |
getthefacts |
May-20-10 04:55 PM |
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This happens to children, moving to places they don't know and don't know the |
Better Today |
May-20-10 04:58 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-20-10 05:03 PM |
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I understand the first part of your comment and your |
Fruittree |
May-21-10 07:46 PM |
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By the time I was twelve, I could understand my grandmother |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 08:35 PM |
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Hey, c'mon now Bluebear. |
Spike from MN |
May-21-10 12:32 PM |
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I had to use the ol' ignore feature. |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 08:32 PM |
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The problem is that Obama promised immigration reform on his first year in office |
lunamagica |
May-20-10 07:16 PM |
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Perhaps increased deportation is part of his reform, otherwise, it's Congress that |
Better Today |
May-20-10 07:53 PM |
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Then he shouldn't have promised something he knew he couldn't deliver n/t |
lunamagica |
May-20-10 09:05 PM |
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At what cost are we going to do this? |
NYC Liberal |
May-20-10 08:00 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
May-20-10 08:42 PM |
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Well, unless you plan on having 100% open borders, those costs must be incurred. |
Better Today |
May-21-10 03:19 PM |
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false dichotomy |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 06:44 PM |
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I am not willing to cede any civil rights, nor should anyone else. |
NYC Liberal |
May-22-10 10:44 AM |
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So we should secure the border first, then grant blanket amnesty to those already here? |
guruoo |
May-21-10 10:30 PM |
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Sad n/t |
Catherina |
May-20-10 04:52 PM |
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Why do I even bother voting. |
glen123098 |
May-20-10 05:49 PM |
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Oh yeah, nothing wrong with separating a little girl from her mother... |
nomorenomore08 |
May-20-10 05:58 PM |
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So Bush didn't do his job and President Obama doing his is bad? |
ProSense |
May-20-10 07:40 PM |
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maybe the worst betrayal of any |
William Z. Foster |
May-20-10 09:00 PM |
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Quite a rant, wzf. |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 01:55 AM |
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I hear ya. I thinks it's slightly better though. |
upi402 |
May-21-10 02:00 AM |
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well,... |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:54 AM |
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"paramilitary swat teams ...rounding people up" ? |
upi402 |
May-21-10 12:13 PM |
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you have to be kidding |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 06:31 PM |
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your request was vague |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:15 PM |
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Are there millions of paramilitary swat teams? |
Confusious |
May-21-10 03:53 PM |
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can't tell with you, either |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 06:39 PM |
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Sure, show me some links |
Confusious |
May-21-10 07:02 PM |
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don't really know what you are talking about |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 07:41 PM |
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links |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:05 PM |
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I will post a few things |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 08:20 PM |
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the ACLU |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 08:37 PM |
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Racial Profiling |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 08:42 PM |
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Immigration Myths and Facts |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:09 PM |
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Reform, on Ice |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:16 PM |
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U.S. Border Enforcement Prioritizes Non-Violent Migrants Over Dangerous Criminals |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:22 PM |
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Enforcement Gone Wild |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:24 PM |
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Memo to President Obama and Congress |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:30 PM |
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Obama continues brutal immigrant detention policies |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:33 PM |
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Human Rights Watch |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:36 PM |
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Immigration Program Expands, Despite Abuse Record |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:47 PM |
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Whoa! Amazing research data provided. |
ShortnFiery |
May-21-10 10:00 PM |
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you made my evening |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:03 PM |
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You're most welcome. |
ShortnFiery |
May-21-10 10:21 PM |
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yeah |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:57 PM |
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Troubling record of sexual abuse in immigrant detention centers |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:51 PM |
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Immigrant Children Beaten in Detention |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:54 PM |
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Prison for Immigrant Children |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:57 PM |
#96 |
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Detained immigrant children face legal maze |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:01 PM |
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The Big Business of Family Detention |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:04 PM |
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Mass Firings, The New Face of Immigration Raids |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:18 PM |
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Dignity, Not Detention |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:27 PM |
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Good job, William.n/t |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 10:58 PM |
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Thank you for all your hard work, WIlliam. |
Bluebear |
May-22-10 02:43 PM |
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That's an oversimplified way of looking at it |
treestar |
May-21-10 04:04 PM |
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thought you were an ally? |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 08:22 PM |
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I'm just saying the law now is such that if people are deportable, there is |
treestar |
May-22-10 12:17 PM |
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yes there is |
William Z. Foster |
May-22-10 04:03 PM |
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I can't help but notice the 2009 and 2010 numbers are from different sources... |
Barack_America |
May-21-10 04:32 PM |
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And? |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 07:40 PM |
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May not be based on the same method of calculating the numbers, for one. |
Barack_America |
May-21-10 08:48 PM |
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Gotcha, certainly 2010 is just a "goal" that the government has set for this year |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 08:56 PM |
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No, you are missing the point which makes your comparison chart |
johnaries |
May-21-10 09:29 PM |
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enough |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:40 PM |
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I found this about San Francisco. ICE is going to have an uphill battle here. |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 11:06 PM |
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Well, it's not "my" chart, so march right over to their site & tell them they have ulterior motives |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 09:40 PM |
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But you used the chart as the basis of your OP. |
johnaries |
May-22-10 12:13 AM |
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let's dig in |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 08:54 PM |
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That's fair.But misleading and invalid charts only obscure the issue. |
johnaries |
May-21-10 09:33 PM |
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huh |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 09:49 PM |
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Sadly, if the "authorities" are now only locking up undocumented or past visa immigrants, |
ShortnFiery |
May-21-10 10:09 PM |
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Charts have an emotional impact. They can be used to great effect |
johnaries |
May-21-10 10:17 PM |
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so do talking points |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:19 PM |
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Good luck with that one. nt |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 10:27 PM |
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You have a hell of a nerve, I will give you that. /ignore |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 10:21 PM |
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"Nerve"? Really? Because I seek the Truth? |
johnaries |
May-21-10 10:25 PM |
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we are trying to do our homework |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:29 PM |
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? ??? "Nitpicking"? It's a LIE. I'm trying to help you w/homework. |
johnaries |
May-21-10 10:45 PM |
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it is not a lie |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:03 PM |
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If the data is not accurate, it is a LIE. Period. |
johnaries |
May-21-10 11:16 PM |
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this data? |
William Z. Foster |
May-22-10 12:28 AM |
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Why should I believe that? Where did those figures come from? |
johnaries |
May-22-10 12:53 AM |
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then don't |
William Z. Foster |
May-22-10 04:18 PM |
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what was she challenging her.. |
butterfly77 |
May-21-10 10:36 PM |
#113 |
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Oh yeah I forgot, the President has NO say in legislation, right? |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 10:48 PM |
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Oh, I guess that question can 't be asked.. |
butterfly77 |
May-23-10 10:57 AM |
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Damn kids always bringing up stuff we don't want to talk about. |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 10:57 PM |
#119 |
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Como se dice "pipe down, kid" en espagnol? |
Bluebear |
May-21-10 10:59 PM |
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Caillese! = KAI -eh-seh |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 11:02 PM |
#124 |
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Yeah, you kids seem to think that.. |
butterfly77 |
May-23-10 11:06 AM |
#157 |
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no charts here |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:40 PM |
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Immigrant advocates say immigration enforcement worse under Obama |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:55 PM |
#118 |
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Republicans Wanted |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 10:58 PM |
#121 |
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Immigration Raids Tear Families Apart Again |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:01 PM |
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a challenge |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:12 PM |
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Nothing wrong with enforcing existing laws on the books |
bluestateguy |
May-21-10 11:13 PM |
#128 |
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not the issue |
William Z. Foster |
May-21-10 11:17 PM |
#131 |
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There is the legal argument "as enforced", |
johnaries |
May-21-10 11:35 PM |
#132 |
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Treating working people like stray dogs is wrong, no matter how it's justified. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-22-10 02:46 PM |
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This needs to STOP. NOW. |
Unvanguard |
May-21-10 11:55 PM |
#133 |
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+1 |
Swamp Rat |
May-22-10 02:44 PM |
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It looks like NON-criminal deportations are DOWN this year |
Common Sense Party |
May-22-10 12:59 AM |
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Well, that isn't the case. |
EFerrari |
May-22-10 02:48 PM |
#148 |
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Your Links are Illuminating. |
Mojeoux |
May-22-10 01:37 AM |
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May-22-10 03:01 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-22-10 03:06 PM |
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k&r |
LWolf |
May-22-10 07:25 PM |
#155 |
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