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Fri May-21-10 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 71. I disagree with your premise. Immigration is DOWN in Arizona. |
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The reason for SB1070 is to throw red meat to the Republican base.
Do we need reform? Sure we do. No group of working people should be subjected to the abuse that undocumented workers from Mexico take every day.
And no, a significant number of undocumented workers are not violent criminals. That's right wing bullshit fabricated wholesale. Study after study shows that immigrants do not commit any more crime than any other group.
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| -"Illegal Alien" Really? |
grantcart |
May-20-10 03:09 PM |
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kick |
BrklynLiberal |
May-20-10 03:16 PM |
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I reject pejoratives applied to people based on attributes outside their control. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 03:17 PM |
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The fundamental exploitation by the Mexican government starts long before |
grantcart |
May-20-10 03:23 PM |
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Silly. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 03:45 PM |
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You compound the culpability by accepting the benefits of the undocumented worker |
grantcart |
May-20-10 03:54 PM |
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The onus of legality fell to them when they crossed the border. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 04:04 PM |
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So, tell me, what happened in 1980? Did Mexican mothers suddenly |
EFerrari |
May-20-10 06:13 PM |
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what about the children? |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 09:53 PM |
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I know you would. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 11:43 PM |
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Entitled to Foster care if their parents break the law |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 11:55 PM |
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Excellent reading skill. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 11:56 PM |
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no, i get it completely |
CreekDog |
May-21-10 12:00 AM |
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No. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-21-10 12:07 AM |
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yes, you will make the children citizens orphans if they stay |
CreekDog |
May-21-10 12:02 PM |
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Wow! Your xenophobia knows no bounds! |
sabrina 1 |
May-21-10 12:29 AM |
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silly? no, you're craven |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 09:51 PM |
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Yeah, they should just stay in their own country and starve to death! |
nomorenomore08 |
May-20-10 05:59 PM |
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No, they should rob a local bank. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 06:05 PM |
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Robbing a bank =/= crossing the border unauthorized. |
nomorenomore08 |
May-20-10 06:07 PM |
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What is the point of controlling immigration |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 06:11 PM |
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The only way to "control" immigration from Mexico is to reform the system |
nomorenomore08 |
May-20-10 06:22 PM |
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There would be no sensible reason to cross the border |
Mike K |
May-21-10 01:23 AM |
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Crossing the border is not a crime. It is a civil infraction on par with jaywalking. |
Luminous Animal |
May-21-10 02:13 AM |
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You keep comparing immigrants to violent criminals. |
EFerrari |
May-20-10 08:29 PM |
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Then we should be maintaining a viable guest worker program. |
Mike K |
May-21-10 12:15 AM |
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I disagree with your premise. Immigration is DOWN in Arizona. |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 12:19 AM |
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If the illegal alien population in Arizona is down it's because |
Mike K |
May-21-10 12:34 AM |
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Nope. Working people starting going in the other direction |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 01:06 AM |
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Yesterday, someone posted a link showing that deportations were up. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-21-10 12:36 AM |
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You might want to read this link: |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 01:10 AM |
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What's the point of restrictive laws if they can't be enforced? |
treestar |
May-20-10 09:30 PM |
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I think I'll become an H-1b lawyer |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 09:39 PM |
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I wouldn't quit my day job. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-21-10 12:20 AM |
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You have one? Lucky you. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-21-10 12:29 AM |
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Why do you suppose they are not enforceable? |
Mike K |
May-21-10 12:42 AM |
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what do you call undocumented children? |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 09:50 PM |
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Illegal aliens. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 11:55 PM |
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. |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 11:57 PM |
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It is a civil infraction not a crime. Do you also accuse jaywalkers of being child abusers? |
Luminous Animal |
May-21-10 02:06 AM |
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Consider your opinion 'duly noted', nondonor.. |
Richard Steele |
May-22-10 01:13 AM |
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Even worse is the shortcut - illegals. As if that was the sum total of their meaning and |
T Wolf |
May-20-10 03:31 PM |
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I think the admins get to decide what language is "DU worthy." |
Lance_Boyle |
May-20-10 03:34 PM |
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No the admins get to decide what is permitted. |
grantcart |
May-20-10 03:44 PM |
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Around here (border region, SE AZ) the official term is "Undocumented Alien," |
Kali |
May-20-10 03:49 PM |
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It is the correct term even now |
Zywiec |
May-20-10 06:21 PM |
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border patrol uses the term Undocumented Aliens and the abbreviation, UDAs |
Kali |
May-20-10 07:54 PM |
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What was the correct term for black slaves when the Constitution was ratified? |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 09:56 PM |
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Technical term per US Code is "unathorized alien". |
Statistical |
May-20-10 06:25 PM |
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It fits for describing someone who is not a citizen and is here without permission of the government |
jp11 |
May-20-10 03:43 PM |
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It fits a system that cynically exploits them |
grantcart |
May-20-10 03:46 PM |
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I have less problem with the term |
Kali |
May-20-10 03:44 PM |
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"the attitude that somehow all that prevents them from being "legal" is a simple choice or procedure |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 03:49 PM |
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huh? |
Kali |
May-20-10 04:00 PM |
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Yeah. Sometimes complying with the law is hard. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 04:05 PM |
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Life is hard. |
Kali |
May-20-10 07:25 PM |
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why are you allowing yourself to be part of breaking legally entered treaties with Native Americans? |
CreekDog |
May-20-10 09:59 PM |
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I'd own a Ferrari if it weren't for the paperwork. |
yodoobo |
May-20-10 05:08 PM |
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If you needed that car to live and take care of your family, or perhaps built it with your own hands |
Kali |
May-20-10 07:39 PM |
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Did you know the unemployment rate in Mexico is 4%? |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 09:26 PM |
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Disingenuous |
treestar |
May-20-10 09:29 PM |
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Exactly like me. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 09:34 PM |
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Do you know that they count people who roll on broken glass |
Luminous Animal |
May-20-10 09:47 PM |
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They have the 13th largest economy in the world and are home to the worlds wealthiest person. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 11:40 PM |
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bwahahahhaha |
Kali |
May-20-10 10:17 PM |
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I would steal and kill if it meant saving my kids from starvation. |
yodoobo |
May-20-10 09:35 PM |
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Kill? Really? You would deprive someone else of life and liberty? |
Luminous Animal |
May-20-10 09:49 PM |
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like I said...i would feel bad about it |
yodoobo |
May-20-10 10:36 PM |
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Excellent post. |
Caliman73 |
May-20-10 03:57 PM |
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tks |
grantcart |
May-20-10 09:45 PM |
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tks |
grantcart |
May-20-10 09:45 PM |
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I applaud your efforts. Thank you for posting this in the name of humanity and civility. |
political_Dem |
May-20-10 04:03 PM |
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How about using |
guardian |
May-20-10 04:10 PM |
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None of the terms you suggested distinguish between legal and illegal presence. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 04:21 PM |
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thanks for some sanity... |
a la izquierda |
May-20-10 04:30 PM |
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Fucking right. K&R |
cliffordu |
May-20-10 05:00 PM |
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K&R. |
David Zephyr |
May-20-10 06:10 PM |
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To Paraphrase Moose-Girl...We Are All "Illegal Aliens" Now !!! |
WillyT |
May-20-10 06:11 PM |
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It is not a worthy term, any more than calling someone "retarded" or using any |
Mike 03 |
May-20-10 06:15 PM |
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At risk of understatement, I disagree. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 06:36 PM |
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did they CHOOSE to be born in the wrong country? |
Kali |
May-20-10 07:41 PM |
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I wanted to be born in Kuwait. To the royal family. Yeah, that's the ticket. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-20-10 09:17 PM |
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You want to preside over a slave state, do you? |
Luminous Animal |
May-20-10 09:58 PM |
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yeah that is the same thing |
Kali |
May-20-10 10:31 PM |
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Did the starving Ethiopians choose to be born in their country? |
Mike K |
May-21-10 12:23 AM |
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May-21-10 12:31 AM |
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Kali, |
Mike K |
May-21-10 12:46 AM |
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Rec. Well said. n/t |
TriMera |
May-20-10 08:26 PM |
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K&R |
suffragette |
May-20-10 09:48 PM |
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thks |
grantcart |
May-21-10 01:06 AM |
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Well said grantcart! |
sonias |
May-21-10 11:55 AM |
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Wow. |
MellowDem |
May-21-10 12:22 PM |
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"At whose expense and whose benefit?" |
sonias |
May-21-10 01:42 PM |
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Ah, so your cool with having a slave underclass... |
MellowDem |
May-21-10 07:30 PM |
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Have you ever been an immigrant yourself? |
sonias |
May-21-10 11:29 PM |
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I've lived all over... |
MellowDem |
May-22-10 12:23 AM |
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Thank you for you detailed answer |
sonias |
May-22-10 07:56 AM |
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Well, you have been very understanding |
MellowDem |
May-22-10 07:39 PM |
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K&R |
NJmaverick |
May-21-10 09:46 PM |
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Kicketty |
cliffordu |
May-22-10 01:02 AM |
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