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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. What is the point of controlling immigration
if the penalty for the "infraction" isn't deportation?

I don't think the laws against bank robbing would have much effect if the robber got to keep the money.
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  -"Illegal Alien" Really? grantcart  May-20-10 03:09 PM   #0 
  - kick  BrklynLiberal   May-20-10 03:16 PM   #1 
  - I reject pejoratives applied to people based on attributes outside their control.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 03:17 PM   #2 
  - The fundamental exploitation by the Mexican government starts long before  grantcart   May-20-10 03:23 PM   #3 
  - Silly.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 03:45 PM   #9 
     - You compound the culpability by accepting the benefits of the undocumented worker  grantcart   May-20-10 03:54 PM   #13 
     - The onus of legality fell to them when they crossed the border.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 04:04 PM   #17 
        - So, tell me, what happened in 1980? Did Mexican mothers suddenly  EFerrari   May-20-10 06:13 PM   #30 
        - what about the children?  CreekDog   May-20-10 09:53 PM   #55 
           - I know you would.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 11:43 PM   #63 
              - Entitled to Foster care if their parents break the law  CreekDog   May-20-10 11:55 PM   #64 
              - Excellent reading skill. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 11:56 PM   #66 
                 - no, i get it completely  CreekDog   May-21-10 12:00 AM   #68 
                    - No.  lumberjack_jeff   May-21-10 12:07 AM   #69 
                       - yes, you will make the children citizens orphans if they stay  CreekDog   May-21-10 12:02 PM   #88 
              - Wow! Your xenophobia knows no bounds!  sabrina 1   May-21-10 12:29 AM   #75 
     - silly? no, you're craven  CreekDog   May-20-10 09:51 PM   #54 
  - Yeah, they should just stay in their own country and starve to death!  nomorenomore08   May-20-10 05:59 PM   #24 
  - No, they should rob a local bank.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 06:05 PM   #25 
     - Robbing a bank =/= crossing the border unauthorized.  nomorenomore08   May-20-10 06:07 PM   #26 
        - What is the point of controlling immigration  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 06:11 PM   #29 
           - The only way to "control" immigration from Mexico is to reform the system  nomorenomore08   May-20-10 06:22 PM   #33 
           - There would be no sensible reason to cross the border  Mike K   May-21-10 01:23 AM   #84 
              - Crossing the border is not a crime. It is a civil infraction on par with jaywalking.  Luminous Animal   May-21-10 02:13 AM   #86 
           - You keep comparing immigrants to violent criminals.  EFerrari   May-20-10 08:29 PM   #41 
           - Then we should be maintaining a viable guest worker program.  Mike K   May-21-10 12:15 AM   #70 
              - I disagree with your premise. Immigration is DOWN in Arizona.  EFerrari   May-21-10 12:19 AM   #71 
                 - If the illegal alien population in Arizona is down it's because  Mike K   May-21-10 12:34 AM   #77 
                 - Nope. Working people starting going in the other direction  EFerrari   May-21-10 01:06 AM   #81 
                 - Yesterday, someone posted a link showing that deportations were up.  lumberjack_jeff   May-21-10 12:36 AM   #78 
                    - You might want to read this link:  EFerrari   May-21-10 01:10 AM   #83 
           - What's the point of restrictive laws if they can't be enforced?  treestar   May-20-10 09:30 PM   #45 
              - I think I'll become an H-1b lawyer  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 09:39 PM   #48 
              - I wouldn't quit my day job. n/t  EFerrari   May-21-10 12:20 AM   #72 
                 - You have one? Lucky you. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-21-10 12:29 AM   #74 
              - Why do you suppose they are not enforceable?  Mike K   May-21-10 12:42 AM   #79 
  - what do you call undocumented children?  CreekDog   May-20-10 09:50 PM   #53 
     - Illegal aliens.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 11:55 PM   #65 
        - .  CreekDog   May-20-10 11:57 PM   #67 
        - It is a civil infraction not a crime. Do you also accuse jaywalkers of being child abusers?  Luminous Animal   May-21-10 02:06 AM   #85 
        - Consider your opinion 'duly noted', nondonor..  Richard Steele   May-22-10 01:13 AM   #96 
  - Even worse is the shortcut - illegals. As if that was the sum total of their meaning and  T Wolf   May-20-10 03:31 PM   #4 
  - I think the admins get to decide what language is "DU worthy."  Lance_Boyle   May-20-10 03:34 PM   #5 
  - No the admins get to decide what is permitted.  grantcart   May-20-10 03:44 PM   #7 
  - Around here (border region, SE AZ) the official term is "Undocumented Alien,"  Kali   May-20-10 03:49 PM   #11 
     - It is the correct term even now  Zywiec   May-20-10 06:21 PM   #32 
     - border patrol uses the term Undocumented Aliens and the abbreviation, UDAs  Kali   May-20-10 07:54 PM   #39 
     - What was the correct term for black slaves when the Constitution was ratified?  CreekDog   May-20-10 09:56 PM   #56 
     - Technical term per US Code is "unathorized alien".  Statistical   May-20-10 06:25 PM   #34 
  - It fits for describing someone who is not a citizen and is here without permission of the government  jp11   May-20-10 03:43 PM   #6 
  - It fits a system that cynically exploits them  grantcart   May-20-10 03:46 PM   #10 
  - I have less problem with the term  Kali   May-20-10 03:44 PM   #8 
  - "the attitude that somehow all that prevents them from being "legal" is a simple choice or procedure  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 03:49 PM   #12 
     - huh?  Kali   May-20-10 04:00 PM   #15 
        - Yeah. Sometimes complying with the law is hard. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 04:05 PM   #18 
        - Life is hard.  Kali   May-20-10 07:25 PM   #36 
        - why are you allowing yourself to be part of breaking legally entered treaties with Native Americans?  CreekDog   May-20-10 09:59 PM   #58 
        - I'd own a Ferrari if it weren't for the paperwork.  yodoobo   May-20-10 05:08 PM   #23 
           - If you needed that car to live and take care of your family, or perhaps built it with your own hands  Kali   May-20-10 07:39 PM   #37 
              - Did you know the unemployment rate in Mexico is 4%?  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 09:26 PM   #43 
              - Disingenuous  treestar   May-20-10 09:29 PM   #44 
              - Exactly like me.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 09:34 PM   #46 
              - Do you know that they count people who roll on broken glass  Luminous Animal   May-20-10 09:47 PM   #50 
              - They have the 13th largest economy in the world and are home to the worlds wealthiest person.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 11:40 PM   #62 
              - bwahahahhaha  Kali   May-20-10 10:17 PM   #59 
              - I would steal and kill if it meant saving my kids from starvation.  yodoobo   May-20-10 09:35 PM   #47 
                 - Kill? Really? You would deprive someone else of life and liberty?  Luminous Animal   May-20-10 09:49 PM   #52 
                    - like I said...i would feel bad about it  yodoobo   May-20-10 10:36 PM   #61 
  - Excellent post.  Caliman73   May-20-10 03:57 PM   #14 
  - tks  grantcart   May-20-10 09:45 PM   # 
  - tks  grantcart   May-20-10 09:45 PM   #49 
  - I applaud your efforts. Thank you for posting this in the name of humanity and civility.  political_Dem   May-20-10 04:03 PM   #16 
  - How about using  guardian   May-20-10 04:10 PM   #19 
  - None of the terms you suggested distinguish between legal and illegal presence. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 04:21 PM   #20 
  - thanks for some sanity...  a la izquierda   May-20-10 04:30 PM   #21 
  - Fucking right. K&R  cliffordu   May-20-10 05:00 PM   #22 
  - K&R.  David Zephyr   May-20-10 06:10 PM   #27 
  - To Paraphrase Moose-Girl...We Are All "Illegal Aliens" Now !!!  WillyT   May-20-10 06:11 PM   #28 
  - It is not a worthy term, any more than calling someone "retarded" or using any  Mike 03   May-20-10 06:15 PM   #31 
  - At risk of understatement, I disagree.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 06:36 PM   #35 
     - did they CHOOSE to be born in the wrong country?  Kali   May-20-10 07:41 PM   #38 
        - I wanted to be born in Kuwait. To the royal family. Yeah, that's the ticket.  lumberjack_jeff   May-20-10 09:17 PM   #42 
        - You want to preside over a slave state, do you?  Luminous Animal   May-20-10 09:58 PM   #57 
        - yeah that is the same thing  Kali   May-20-10 10:31 PM   #60 
        - Did the starving Ethiopians choose to be born in their country?  Mike K   May-21-10 12:23 AM   #73 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-10 12:31 AM   #76 
              - Kali,  Mike K   May-21-10 12:46 AM   #80 
  - Rec. Well said. n/t  TriMera   May-20-10 08:26 PM   #40 
  - K&R  suffragette   May-20-10 09:48 PM   #51 
  - thks  grantcart   May-21-10 01:06 AM   #82 
  - Well said grantcart!  sonias   May-21-10 11:55 AM   #87 
  - Wow.  MellowDem   May-21-10 12:22 PM   #89 
     - "At whose expense and whose benefit?"  sonias   May-21-10 01:42 PM   #90 
        - Ah, so your cool with having a slave underclass...  MellowDem   May-21-10 07:30 PM   #91 
           - Have you ever been an immigrant yourself?  sonias   May-21-10 11:29 PM   #93 
              - I've lived all over...  MellowDem   May-22-10 12:23 AM   #94 
                 - Thank you for you detailed answer  sonias   May-22-10 07:56 AM   #97 
                    - Well, you have been very understanding  MellowDem   May-22-10 07:39 PM   #98 
  - K&R  NJmaverick   May-21-10 09:46 PM   #92 
  - Kicketty  cliffordu   May-22-10 01:02 AM   #95 
 

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