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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:19 AM
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39. That is an MSM term.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 09:19 AM by dogman
Reagan was being given credit for voters who wanted change. A lot of votes were not for Reagan himself, but against the status quo. It wasn't just racism, although that was large, expressed in the welfare queen stereotype. People were concerned about the energy crisis and the powerlessness they felt. Carter had been taking hits from the Democratic Congressional leadership. Tip O'Neill was more responsive to the Reagan administration than to Carter. There was a lot of confusion and missteps by the inexperienced Carter staff. The NRA had, and still retains, a large influence on many middle class voters. I personally think this was the first push by the MSM to push corporate policy and they backed Reagan who had been a corporate spokesperson. There was a lot of political uncertainty because of the ripples from Watergate, Vietnam, and the social changes that were occurring. It was the use of fear as a political tool, that played upon people's fear that changes were too rapid and drastic. The 50's were glamorized as a safe time before sex, drugs, and rock and roll. That led to a rise in conservatism and fundamental religiosity. People were torn between their prior convictions and the fear of a changing world.
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  -If you were a Ronald Reagan Democrat--- then you really weren't a Democrat. trumad  May-07-07 06:59 AM   #0 
  - On the other hand, they weren't really Republicans either n/t  JHB   May-07-07 07:01 AM   #1 
  - Since Reagan won 49 out of 50 states  Zywiec   May-07-07 07:04 AM   #2 
  - Democrats who go by name only.  trumad   May-07-07 07:05 AM   #3 
  - JHB says they weren't republicans either.  Zywiec   May-07-07 07:09 AM   #5 
  - "voters in awe of celebrities"  KansDem   May-07-07 09:34 AM   #41 
     - Excellent point!  greyhound1966   May-07-07 10:24 AM   #53 
  - Ain't that the truth, trumad. n/t  mohinoaklawnillinois   May-07-07 07:09 AM   #6 
  - People who were fooled by the Hollywood actor  liberal N proud   May-07-07 07:13 AM   #7 
  - Acting ability and an optimistic face and smile fool a lot of good folks who take a person  papau   May-07-07 07:17 AM   #11 
  - Harding, Roosevelt, Johnson and Nixon had higher percentage of voters  LiberalFighter   May-07-07 07:43 AM   #23 
  - And yet Mondale got 40% of the popular vote.  gatorboy   May-07-07 09:04 AM   #37 
  - Morans? People who think, like he did, that movies are real?  WinkyDink   May-07-07 09:44 AM   #45 
  - There were a lot of coke-heads and speed freaks voting back then.  tjwash   May-07-07 10:56 AM   #63 
  - Reagan only got 59 percent of the popular vote  jmowreader   May-07-07 02:01 PM   #69 
  - I'm a Reagon Democrat ...  Drifter   May-07-07 07:08 AM   #4 
  - Same Here!  Turbineguy   May-07-07 08:51 AM   #34 
  - lol  lynyrd_skynyrd   May-07-07 09:20 AM   #40 
  - lol  minkyboodle   May-07-07 11:42 PM   #78 
  - No, what you were was a sucker.  EstimatedProphet   May-07-07 07:15 AM   #8 
  - You bet they did. And Reagan made Junior possible.  sfexpat2000   May-07-07 07:17 AM   #10 
  - Und Arnold.  stimbox   May-07-07 10:14 AM   #48 
     - Agree, neighbor. Ahnold is another Front Man in Waiting.  sfexpat2000   May-07-07 01:44 PM   #68 
        - We do not need another immigrant Austrian running a country.  liberaldemocrat7   May-08-07 06:53 AM   #94 
  - No, they fell for a marketing campaign that outclassed the Democrats by orders of magnitude.  cryingshame   May-07-07 08:51 AM   #35 
  - No argument  EstimatedProphet   May-07-07 10:28 AM   #55 
  - Boy ain't that the truth - my ex and I watched the debates and I told  Hestia   May-07-07 10:53 AM   #62 
  - Walter Mondale wasn't exactly an inspiring choice.  Crunchy Frog   May-08-07 11:57 PM   #105 
  - I think that was a joke. n/t  greyhound1966   May-07-07 10:25 AM   #54 
  - Since you're bringing up history  qdemn7   May-07-07 07:17 AM   #9 
  - Carter funded rebels in Afghanistan against the Soviets. n/t  sfexpat2000   May-07-07 07:19 AM   #13 
  - Oh bullshit!  EstimatedProphet   May-07-07 07:24 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-07-07 07:29 AM   #18 
     - As I recall, Carter DID take responsibility  EstimatedProphet   May-07-07 07:38 AM   #20 
     - Goodbye  YOY   May-07-07 08:19 AM   #29 
     - yeah they always lauched desert ops from submarines. Doofus. n/t  LibFromWV   May-07-07 08:54 AM   #36 
  - Your statement is so full of ignorance it does not justify a reply other than  jody   May-07-07 07:26 AM   #16 
  - And how many Marines died in Beirut?  trumad   May-07-07 07:28 AM   #17 
  - Doesn't matter. It didn't happen under Carter.  EstimatedProphet   May-07-07 07:38 AM   #21 
  - Those hostages, every one, was brought home alive---except LATER  WinkyDink   May-07-07 10:43 AM   #58 
  - And what would have FDR, Truman, JFK or LBJ do about it???  happyslug   May-07-07 10:50 AM   #61 
  - The military option was to bomb Tehran  Hippo_Tron   May-08-07 02:50 AM   #93 
  - Carter was also an ineffective micro-manager  dmesg   May-08-07 11:34 AM   #99 
     - It was said upthread but bears repeating  dmesg   May-08-07 11:39 AM   #100 
  - Does anyone remember Mondale?  Zywiec   May-07-07 07:18 AM   #12 
  - Oh, I remember...he was the first presidential candidate I voted for  deutsey   May-07-07 07:42 AM   #22 
     - That was my first vote. Proudly cast for Mondale.  youthere   May-07-07 10:15 AM   #49 
     - My first election too.  Crunchy Frog   May-09-07 12:02 AM   #106 
  - Interesting point, what is a real Democrat? Does it require supporting every plank in the Platform?  jody   May-07-07 07:23 AM   #14 
  - No---but it does require opening a book, magazine, or whatever  trumad   May-07-07 07:37 AM   #19 
  - Thanks but, what is a a REAL Democrat? n/t  jody   May-07-07 07:50 AM   #25 
     - People who don't rationalize a vote for an utter shithead is a definition I can accept.  Forkboy   May-07-07 02:13 PM   #71 
        - I'll never vote for you. n/t  jody   May-07-07 03:37 PM   #74 
  - A real Democrat votes for Democrats, not failed actors like Reagan.  Beelzebud   May-07-07 09:43 AM   #43 
     - Do you mean a REAL Democrat always votes for Democratic candidates?  jody   May-07-07 12:14 PM   #66 
  - True.  H2O Man   May-07-07 07:44 AM   #24 
  - Hmmmm I'm not sure I get the point to this  bryant69   May-07-07 07:55 AM   #26 
  - if you are a'd get's a drive by shooting...  windbreeze   May-09-07 01:20 AM   #108 
  - Reagan Democrats were nothing more than Dixiecrats from ...  Sentinel Chicken   May-07-07 08:00 AM   #27 
  - So Jim Webb isn't a Democrat?  Odin2005   May-07-07 08:01 AM   #28 
  - Oh I'm not saying you can't change...  trumad   May-07-07 08:23 AM   #30 
  - He wasn't. In the 80's he called himself a Republican....  Beelzebud   May-07-07 09:43 AM   #44 
  - But we want you back regardless!!!!  Perky   May-07-07 08:35 AM   #31 
  - Reagan Democrats = I belong to a union but I hate queers, blacks & jews  devilgrrl   May-07-07 08:38 AM   #32 
  - Ha! My dad was a hardcore Reagan Dem...  youthere   May-07-07 10:17 AM   #51 
  - Reagan was the worst president ever for unions. Rethink your BS.  Beelzebud   May-07-07 10:32 AM   #56 
  - There was no love for RR in the Steel City  JVS   May-08-07 12:02 AM   #82 
  - DIng, ding, ding, we have a winner.Raygun gave them permission,  greyhound1966   May-07-07 10:39 AM   #57 
  - I don't buy it. Check out these maps, look at the largely blue collar region around pittsburgh  JVS   May-08-07 12:02 AM   #81 
  - During the Clinton years, at least in GA, almost two out of three cars sported signs reading  Disorganized   May-07-07 08:43 AM   #33 
  - Yes, this is true.  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   May-07-07 09:15 AM   #38 
  - Exactly  trumad   May-07-07 10:12 AM   #47 
  - That is an MSM term.  dogman   May-07-07 09:19 AM   #39 
  - It was/is a culture war  BeFree   May-07-07 09:41 AM   #42 
  - That's right, and they better not vote for any more Democrats! n/t  LoZoccolo   May-07-07 09:58 AM   #46 
  - Show the same regard for Greens then.  Forkboy   May-07-07 02:16 PM   #72 
     - The Greens still can vote?  JVS   May-07-07 11:43 PM   #79 
        - I suspect if certain people could they would eagerly stop Greens from voting.  Forkboy   May-08-07 01:59 AM   #92 
  - True. But I'd use the small "d" democrat also.  Zorra   May-07-07 10:16 AM   #50 
  - I disagree  mdmc   May-07-07 10:21 AM   #52 
  - He did make the others possible, so I have to agree that he was the worst.  greyhound1966   May-07-07 10:47 AM   #59 
     - God Bless Dennis Kucinich!  mdmc   May-07-07 11:49 AM   #64 
  - This should be on the Greatest Page!  greyhound1966   May-07-07 10:48 AM   #60 
  - bingo  leftofthedial   May-07-07 11:49 AM   #65 
  - They were suckers or collaborators  Cobalt-60   May-07-07 12:23 PM   #67 
  - Preach it Brother!  Forkboy   May-07-07 02:10 PM   #70 
  - I'd say gullible democrats. I was a child in the 80s. It took me to get to college  izzybeans   May-07-07 02:34 PM   #73 
  - The Reagan "landslide" of 1980 is over represented too:  WI_DEM   May-07-07 04:06 PM   #75 
  - I'd be careful about booting the centrists and center-right out of our party,  Kelly Rupert   May-07-07 04:09 PM   #76 
  - I have no problem with centrists in the Democratic party  jgraz   May-07-07 11:19 PM   #77 
     - You know what? I'm cool with those guys too.  Kelly Rupert   May-08-07 12:05 AM   #83 
        - How is it the rethugs held power for so long without these kinds of compromises?  jgraz   May-08-07 12:13 AM   #84 
           - They have a bigger base than we do.  Kelly Rupert   May-08-07 12:27 AM   #85 
              - Just plain wrong  jgraz   May-08-07 12:38 AM   #86 
                 - You realize that "most people lean our way"  Kelly Rupert   May-08-07 12:40 AM   #87 
                    - I understand what "base" means  jgraz   May-08-07 12:50 AM   #89 
                       - Americans don't vote for Republiks because they agree with their  greyhound1966   May-08-07 10:32 AM   #98 
                          - Couldn't agree more -- the sheep just need a shepherd.  jgraz   May-08-07 01:31 PM   #101 
  - Are the Reagan Democrats still alive?  JVS   May-07-07 11:45 PM   #80 
  - My family hated Reagan with a white hot passion  clyrc   May-08-07 12:46 AM   #88 
  - I was too young to vote, but Reagan scared the shit out of me  jgraz   May-08-07 12:51 AM   #90 
  - Same exact story in my family. I was a kid, and because my  wienerdoggie   May-08-07 08:17 AM   #96 
  - Isn't that what Marcos (Kos) claims to be?  nam78_two   May-08-07 01:18 AM   #91 
  - Wow - following that logic means that more people than not  Clark2008   May-08-07 06:55 AM   #95 
  - WRONG. You're just trying to divide us so you can claim a quick victory.  Festivito   May-08-07 09:20 AM   #97 
  - Or, if you were a real Dem, you were ignorant of Dem principles/values and/or Reagan's.  chaska   May-08-07 02:10 PM   #102 
  - Easily duped, like those who voted for Bush.  krkaufman   May-08-07 11:38 PM   #103 
  - What's the definition on a "Reagan Democrat"?  Crunchy Frog   May-08-07 11:43 PM   #104 
  - Reagan Democrat = Carnivorous Vegan  Tejanocrat   May-09-07 12:03 AM   #107 

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