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Wed May-19-10 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #86 |
| 113. The solution requires two things - A streamlined visa process for temporary workers, and... |
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Strict enforcement of the law, aimed both at people who bypass the system and at employers who hire them.
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| -So, what should we do about illegal immigration? |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 03:29 PM |
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Improve access to legal immigration. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-18-10 03:32 PM |
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Well, um, well,... |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 03:36 PM |
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While we have 10% official unemployment. |
harkadog |
May-18-10 03:48 PM |
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Which is why illegal immigration is at its lowest point in over a decade. |
ieoeja |
May-18-10 03:53 PM |
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Dey dook ir jerbs? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-18-10 04:10 PM |
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remember they do the jobs that Americans won't do |
Riftaxe |
May-18-10 05:23 PM |
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that whole reasoning is bullshit |
SwampG8r |
May-18-10 11:19 PM |
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did i really have to add a sarcasm tag? |
Riftaxe |
May-18-10 11:37 PM |
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oh....sorry...never mind |
SwampG8r |
May-19-10 12:35 AM |
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delete |
Upton |
May-19-10 01:27 PM |
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management destroys jobs |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 07:12 PM |
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There is virtually no evidence to suggest that immigration causes unemployment. |
Zynx |
May-18-10 11:10 PM |
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Never mind that. The important thing is to hate the other. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
May-19-10 01:27 PM |
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While I agree wholeheartedly, you'll notice in the UK that just because immigration is legal |
pampango |
May-18-10 03:50 PM |
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Well Rational Discussions is out the window on this |
SargeUNN |
May-18-10 03:37 PM |
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Open the border, wide |
Taverner |
May-18-10 03:37 PM |
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You beat me. |
Goblinmonger |
May-18-10 03:39 PM |
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But wouldn't that mean a scary influx |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 03:42 PM |
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What about US vaccination requirements for immigrant visas? |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 03:54 PM |
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Vaccination requirements don't have to be eliminated. |
Toucano |
May-18-10 04:07 PM |
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How about having an immunization program for Mexico? |
Taverner |
May-18-10 04:37 PM |
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^ What Taverner said. n/t |
Toucano |
May-18-10 03:57 PM |
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Unity. |
MerryBlooms |
May-18-10 04:28 PM |
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Open the borders |
Goblinmonger |
May-18-10 03:38 PM |
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Speaking from someone who is 2000 miles away from the problem. |
harkadog |
May-18-10 03:47 PM |
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You don't favor opening the borders? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-18-10 03:48 PM |
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It took less time than I thought it would for that sentiment to come out. |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 03:54 PM |
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Open, but verify that people aren't carrying infectious diseases that are endemic to their homelands |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 03:55 PM |
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I'm not a libertarian |
harkadog |
May-18-10 08:49 PM |
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Poor Human beings are a "problem" ,maybe you should look for a "solution" then , I won't join you . |
UndertheOcean |
May-18-10 03:49 PM |
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Try writing understandable grammar the next time you post. |
harkadog |
May-18-10 08:51 PM |
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Try understanding. n/t |
UndertheOcean |
May-18-10 11:09 PM |
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I used to live right in the heart of the "problem" and I think it's a great idea. nt |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 03:53 PM |
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+100 , Because you are not a Racist. |
UndertheOcean |
May-18-10 03:55 PM |
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2000 miles away, probably just as much knowledge as here |
SargeUNN |
May-18-10 04:13 PM |
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As a long, longtime AZ resident, I can say you are completely correct about the attitudes. |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 04:22 PM |
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He lives very close to the Canadian border -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-18-10 04:32 PM |
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Yes, of course |
Goblinmonger |
May-18-10 05:45 PM |
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+1 |
proteus_lives |
May-18-10 11:53 PM |
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I was going to type "do like the EU does", you beat me to it, but I think my phrasing is better. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-18-10 04:35 PM |
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Purchase the 13th most northern Mexican states (and part of a 14th). |
ieoeja |
May-18-10 03:51 PM |
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Simple , Open all borders now , problem solved. |
UndertheOcean |
May-18-10 03:52 PM |
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"dustbin of history" |
proteus_lives |
May-18-10 11:55 PM |
#109 |
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Open the borders. |
Starry Messenger |
May-18-10 03:52 PM |
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Crack down on the employers |
Quantess |
May-18-10 03:53 PM |
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Starve them out? |
Fla_Democrat |
May-18-10 04:29 PM |
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How about hiring some legal US residents? |
Quantess |
May-18-10 04:52 PM |
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Does not answer the question posed.. |
Fla_Democrat |
May-18-10 05:15 PM |
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But, you agree people come to the US illegally to work...? |
Quantess |
May-18-10 05:22 PM |
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Some do, but certainly not all |
Fla_Democrat |
May-18-10 05:50 PM |
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"some" |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 06:51 PM |
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I didn't propose denying them employment |
Fla_Democrat |
May-18-10 07:54 PM |
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what will probably happen |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 09:47 PM |
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Thank you for your voice of sanity. nt |
SPedigrees |
May-19-10 12:23 PM |
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won't work |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 04:52 PM |
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So, is it too much to ask |
Quantess |
May-18-10 05:02 PM |
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yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 07:05 PM |
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Of course racial discrimination is against the law. |
Quantess |
May-18-10 07:17 PM |
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yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 07:41 PM |
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I'm in the horse business. Lots of Hispanics work alongside me and my cohorts |
riderinthestorm |
May-18-10 07:46 PM |
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excellent post |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 09:48 PM |
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Or a way to get them on board with ending the exploitation of workers. |
redqueen |
May-19-10 01:28 PM |
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What are the problems? |
SargeUNN |
May-18-10 03:54 PM |
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Here's a partial list of problems that would result from simply opening the borders |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 03:56 PM |
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Your implications are? |
SargeUNN |
May-18-10 03:59 PM |
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That was a state department website he provided. |
ieoeja |
May-18-10 04:11 PM |
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don't mistake the issue for race |
notesdev |
May-18-10 04:12 PM |
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Fear of ethnic minorities spreading disease is pretty much textbook racism. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-18-10 04:17 PM |
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Here in San Diego we occasionally have outbreaks of food-borne hepatitis |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 04:50 PM |
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You'll also frequently hear it among the Fred Phelps crowd. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-18-10 05:51 PM |
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Ignore the risk posed by unvaccinated immigrant workers at your own risk |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 07:07 PM |
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That's exactly what they say. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-18-10 07:16 PM |
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that is an argument for amnesty |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 07:43 PM |
#86 |
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The solution requires two things - A streamlined visa process for temporary workers, and... |
slackmaster |
May-19-10 09:33 AM |
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Actually, Mexico is no longer considered a "Third World Country" |
Lone_Star_Dem |
May-18-10 04:37 PM |
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Race has nothing to do with it |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 04:48 PM |
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You certainly don't live in AZ or know the depth of the problem here |
SargeUNN |
May-18-10 05:04 PM |
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People who support SB 1070 may not ALL be racist--but if you think |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 05:38 PM |
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Vaccination requirements don't have to be eliminated. |
Toucano |
May-18-10 04:09 PM |
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Wouldn't be any worse than it is with immigrants moving illegally |
treestar |
May-18-10 04:22 PM |
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I'd like to see a streamlined path for LEGAL immigration that includes vaccinations |
slackmaster |
May-18-10 04:51 PM |
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Using the immigration system to fight disease is 19th century |
treestar |
May-19-10 03:02 PM |
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People who come in legally and apply for immigrant visas have to prove that they have had... |
slackmaster |
May-19-10 03:30 PM |
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brown people are diseased? |
Warren Stupidity |
May-19-10 01:22 PM |
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It's Strategy #5 on "the Right-Wing Playbook on Immigration Reform". |
pampango |
May-19-10 01:38 PM |
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The Astute Reader will note that pampango hasn't addressed the content of what I posted |
slackmaster |
May-19-10 03:27 PM |
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That list applies to any person who wants to apply for an immigrant visa for the USA |
slackmaster |
May-19-10 03:24 PM |
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Good point. As I posted ealier today (see link below), I never knew there was one |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 03:57 PM |
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1) abolish drug war 2) make legal immigration easier |
SPedigrees |
May-18-10 03:57 PM |
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Naturalize them. knr nt |
Union Yes |
May-18-10 04:17 PM |
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Answer: Change the immigration laws so that families won't be broke up! |
Better Believe It |
May-18-10 04:34 PM |
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Reform the immigration system - punish nationals who hire illegal labor |
KonaKane |
May-18-10 04:45 PM |
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Impose stiff fines on employers engaging in illegal hiring! |
DailyGrind51 |
May-18-10 04:49 PM |
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none are |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 05:01 PM |
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You nailed it. I've lived in AZ since the '70s (I was a child then). |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 05:55 PM |
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Stopping illegal immigration is easy, |
MadHound |
May-18-10 05:08 PM |
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Enforce the laws already on the books, and prosecute those that Hire illegals. n/t |
NorthCarolina |
May-18-10 05:10 PM |
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Legalize it. |
damntexdem |
May-18-10 05:10 PM |
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Execute the employers who hire them! PROBLEM SOLVED!! |
B Calm |
May-18-10 05:25 PM |
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Amnesty |
Geek_Girl |
May-18-10 05:29 PM |
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+1 |
LAGC |
May-18-10 11:18 PM |
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Increase the minimum wage significantly, strictly enforce labor laws. |
hunter |
May-18-10 05:44 PM |
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I think we should tax the hell out of American companies that go to Mexico |
winter trees |
May-18-10 05:45 PM |
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Keep collecting the deductions for Social Security and Unemployment |
liberal N proud |
May-18-10 05:46 PM |
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Ssssshhhhh.... |
blondeatlast |
May-18-10 05:58 PM |
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Yup, as an employer I have personal experience with phony docs |
riderinthestorm |
May-18-10 09:06 PM |
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offer some form of legal status to illegals who turn in their employers |
Motown_Johnny |
May-18-10 05:48 PM |
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Hell yes! |
B Calm |
May-18-10 05:53 PM |
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well, that is simply horrific |
William Z. Foster |
May-18-10 07:09 PM |
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That's disgusting. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-18-10 07:16 PM |
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Enact the very same amnesty that Ronald Reagan signed into law. |
David Zephyr |
May-18-10 06:56 PM |
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Stop attacking democracy in the Americas for the profit of multinationals |
EFerrari |
May-18-10 07:15 PM |
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Simplicity itself... |
yella_dawg |
May-18-10 07:21 PM |
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I hired an illegal. |
riderinthestorm |
May-18-10 08:56 PM |
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Brilliant and wise. |
David Zephyr |
May-18-10 09:08 PM |
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"NAFTA should have logically opened the borders for immigration as well" |
Warren Stupidity |
May-19-10 01:26 PM |
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well said |
William Z. Foster |
May-19-10 08:06 PM |
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Make it mandatory! Clean up with the reduced voter base when the GOP's collective heads explode! nt |
Posteritatis |
May-18-10 08:51 PM |
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Obvious solution |
Jkid |
May-18-10 09:04 PM |
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We need to also work to make it more advantageous for immigrants to stay home. |
county worker |
May-18-10 09:50 PM |
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I'm in favor of increasing the legal immigration quotas. |
Zynx |
May-18-10 11:11 PM |
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NAFTA |
murdoch |
May-18-10 11:15 PM |
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Enforce labor laws, create a modern working SS# database and fix NAFTA. |
DefenseLawyer |
May-18-10 11:25 PM |
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Have we ever deposed a Canadian government for corporate benefit? |
EFerrari |
May-18-10 11:35 PM |
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I don't think there is a lot we can do |
ohheckyeah |
May-19-10 12:01 AM |
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DINGDINGDING! We have a winner! We need to pressure Mexico to fix its own problems. |
blondeatlast |
May-19-10 01:32 PM |
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Thanks. |
ohheckyeah |
May-19-10 05:34 PM |
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The last time I was in Nogales I watched in horror as I saw men trying |
blondeatlast |
May-19-10 05:39 PM |
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I went through those rotating iron gates |
ohheckyeah |
May-19-10 11:51 PM |
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Huge fines and jail time for employers that hire illegal immigrants. |
LostInAnomie |
May-19-10 12:45 AM |
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legalize it. nt. |
Warren Stupidity |
May-19-10 01:21 PM |
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Go after the employers.. |
Upton |
May-19-10 01:30 PM |
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raise the minimum wage to 15.00 and allow all workers a path to citizenship |
librechik |
May-19-10 02:13 PM |
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The answer is very easy. Crack down on the employers that |
ThomThom |
May-19-10 03:38 PM |
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not posible, and very dangerous |
William Z. Foster |
May-19-10 08:08 PM |
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It is possible. It would help if there was a data base to check on |
ThomThom |
May-21-10 02:08 PM |
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Absolutely! Mandatory jail time to illegal employers!! |
B Calm |
May-20-10 02:01 PM |
#137 |
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Get rid of "illegal" farm subsidies! |
paulflorez |
May-19-10 08:30 PM |
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make it so they can't get work |
TheFarseer |
May-19-10 08:37 PM |
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