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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 11:49 AM
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31. You said "Corporations and capitalism" and "All the polluting" etc.
In context that means the effect "All the polluting" is caused by "Corporations and capitalism".

I disagreed because IMO "capitalism" is not the cause but "crony capitalism" is the cause.
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  -Corporations and capitalism will be responsible for the end of life as we know it. ej510  May-14-10 10:47 AM   #0 
  - I have this image of those guys in suits from American Psycho running the country  Mari333   May-14-10 10:48 AM   #1 
  - Recall the notorious Enron phone calls of yuppie fascists joking about taking granny's $  Echo In Light   May-14-10 10:51 AM   #4 
  - nope, brain cells dying....but am interested. Could you please refresh my memory?  bobbolink   May-14-10 11:12 AM   #17 
  - here you go  Mari333   May-14-10 02:54 PM   #73 
     - Thank you *very* much. Those quotes about stealing from "granny" will be  bobbolink   May-14-10 03:22 PM   #75 
  - I remember that.  FiveGoodMen   May-14-10 04:46 PM   #89 
  - Alas, it's not just an "image!"  villager   May-14-10 10:52 AM   #6 
     - someone on DU who worked on WallStreet said it's true  Mari333   May-14-10 11:00 AM   #9 
  - Well, humans had a good run  Oregone   May-14-10 10:50 AM   #2 
  - More animals will go into extinction in the next 20 years.  ej510   May-14-10 10:52 AM   #5 
  - Love the sig line!  tavalon   May-15-10 10:29 AM   #93 
  - I think you can cast your net wider than that.  geardaddy   May-14-10 10:51 AM   #3 
  - Actually I did with overpopulating, but I could said littering, like throwing garbage in the ocean.  ej510   May-14-10 10:55 AM   #7 
  - Monsanto trying to privatize the world's food supply won't help either.  Webster Green   May-14-10 10:58 AM   #8 
  - +1000  geardaddy   May-14-10 11:04 AM   #10 
  - I agree, but greed rains supreme globally.  ej510   May-14-10 11:04 AM   #11 
  - Capitalism must be phased out  chillspike   May-14-10 11:06 AM   #12 
  - Sadly, we don't have the time for a "phase".  bobbolink   May-14-10 11:14 AM   #19 
  - Imagine a vampire movie where the good guys decide to phase out the bloodsuckers  Oregone   May-14-10 12:02 PM   #36 
  - Life as we once knew it is already history  randr   May-14-10 11:07 AM   #13 
  - Frog. Lobsters know to scream and try to escape.  WinkyDink   May-14-10 01:02 PM   #61 
  - human extinction is, of course, pretty much a sure thing.  cali   May-14-10 11:08 AM   #14 
  - I did mention overpopulation destroying natural habitat; which destroys necessary food chains. The  ej510   May-14-10 11:12 AM   #18 
     - Yes, but what is the connection between overpopulation and corporations or capitalism?  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:15 PM   #43 
        - I should worded the headline better, because I didn't mean to confuse you.  ej510   May-14-10 12:21 PM   #48 
           - I Agree - People Are Indeed The Likely Culprits Behind Overpopulation  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:23 PM   #51 
              - We need a moratorium on births globally, but it won't happen,  ej510   May-14-10 12:30 PM   #54 
              - I could not stomach so many deaths.  ej510   May-14-10 12:32 PM   #55 
              - Well, That's Quite A Bind  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:40 PM   #57 
                 - So who should we condemn to death?  sabrina 1   May-14-10 03:00 PM   #74 
                    - That's the list: "The non-productive poor, the elderly, the disabled? "  bobbolink   May-14-10 03:24 PM   #76 
                       - Free Suicide Pills?  jberryhill   May-14-10 03:47 PM   #78 
                          - "What kind of commie are you?"  bobbolink   May-14-10 03:51 PM   #79 
                             - I have no idea what you are on about, actually  jberryhill   May-14-10 03:54 PM   #81 
                                - sorry... the "you" is the collective "You".... to be more precise, the government.  bobbolink   May-14-10 03:58 PM   #82 
                                   - I am not a "collective you"  jberryhill   May-14-10 04:04 PM   #83 
                                      - Sorry, then. I will keep it to myself.  bobbolink   May-14-10 04:09 PM   #85 
              - Capitalism begets poverty.  blindpig   May-15-10 11:29 AM   #96 
  - "Crony Capitalism Is NOT Capitalism", see DU post below.  jody   May-14-10 11:08 AM   #15 
  - Capitalism is a wealth distribution mechanism that works efficiently...  Oregone   May-14-10 11:18 AM   #21 
  - Don't forget the most important element of capitalism ...  daggahead   May-14-10 11:23 AM   #23 
  - Capitalism started with slavery. Every global super power had it at some point.  ej510   May-14-10 11:29 AM   #25 
     - It is the notion that one man can purchase the right to profit from another man's labor  Oregone   May-14-10 11:36 AM   #28 
        - Low wage workers are slaves. Capitalism has put borders around the working class. The middle class  ej510   May-14-10 11:43 AM   #30 
  - Thanks for sharing your opinion with me. I don't know of any economic system that operates  jody   May-14-10 11:26 AM   #24 
     - And never did I suggest that such a system is needed  Oregone   May-14-10 11:32 AM   #26 
        - Basically you are saying a democratic-socialist government would suffice. I agree.  ej510   May-14-10 11:37 AM   #29 
        - Do you expect that a "democratic-socialist government" would protect individual rights? n/t  jody   May-14-10 11:51 AM   #32 
           - The right to make laborers so poor they die from lack of access to medical treatment?  Oregone   May-14-10 11:59 AM   #34 
              - Democratic-Socialism would provide medicine and affordable college. The U.S. has privatized public  ej510   May-14-10 12:04 PM   #38 
              - In #32 I meant "individual rights" enumerated and unenumerated protected by our Constitution.  jody   May-14-10 12:12 PM   #40 
                 - Most true. Socialism isn't concerned about the individual and individual rights  Oregone   May-14-10 12:13 PM   #41 
        - You said "Corporations and capitalism" and "All the polluting" etc.  jody   May-14-10 11:49 AM   #31 
           - No I didn't  Oregone   May-14-10 11:57 AM   #33 
              - mea culpa, I confused your post with ej510 posts. n/t  jody   May-14-10 12:02 PM   #37 
  - Stop being an apologists  blindpig   May-14-10 02:36 PM   #70 
     - The issue is whether one wants a central government that controls production & decides which rights  jody   May-14-10 04:08 PM   #84 
        - That makes no sense.  blindpig   May-14-10 04:30 PM   #86 
           - Government controlled by corporatist ostensibly favors capitalism but that's really crony-capitalism  jody   May-14-10 04:42 PM   #88 
              - No, that's capitalism..  blindpig   May-14-10 04:59 PM   #90 
                 - OK, we've exchanged opinions. Have a nice day and goodbye n/t  jody   May-14-10 05:31 PM   #91 
  - Movie triple-bill which describes it best: Idiocracy + Soylent Green + Brazil ..n/t  LeftinOH   May-14-10 11:08 AM   #16 
  - The Boiler Room ...  daggahead   May-14-10 11:15 AM   #20 
  - Boiler Room damn near described what Goldman Sachs was doing,  ej510   May-14-10 11:19 AM   #22 
  - LOL  kctim   May-14-10 11:35 AM   #27 
  - flawed logic. simply because we've adapted in the past  cali   May-14-10 12:00 PM   #35 
     - I don't think we have enough time to adapt or the intellectual heft to.  ej510   May-14-10 12:09 PM   #39 
     - You forgot to add "Non corporate contraception"  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:17 PM   #45 
     - Such dire things are always spoken of  kctim   May-14-10 01:46 PM   #66 
     - Of course there is no guarantee  kctim   May-14-10 01:33 PM   #64 
  - Corporations are "overpopulating"?  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:14 PM   #42 
  - Much, much more likely since the mid-20th century  Echo In Light   May-14-10 12:15 PM   #44 
  - Yes, all certainties become more likely to occur as time proceeds /nt  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:17 PM   #46 
     - Especially with the advent of tens of thousands of extinction-ensuring weapons...  Echo In Light   May-14-10 12:22 PM   #50 
        - Yes, well our original poster seems concerned with overpopulation  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:24 PM   #52 
           - Those who trivialize the actuality of the situation almost always overlook the most obvious factors  Echo In Light   May-14-10 12:27 PM   # 
              - The most obvious starting point for approaching any situation  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:44 PM   #58 
                 - The multi-faceted problem of attempting to hold Power accountable  Echo In Light   May-14-10 12:56 PM   #59 
  - You misunderstood me. I was talking about human population. I blame part of it on religion.  ej510   May-14-10 12:18 PM   #47 
     - Okay, so we need a list of culprits  jberryhill   May-14-10 12:22 PM   #49 
  - If this was capitalism you'd have a point  nadinbrzezinski   May-14-10 12:27 PM   #53 
  - Capitalism has no constraints. They buy government officials then wreak havoc on the planet without  ej510   May-14-10 12:37 PM   #56 
     - Alas what you are describing is FASCISM  nadinbrzezinski   May-14-10 12:59 PM   #60 
        - Mousalini's choice government.  ej510   May-14-10 01:04 PM   #62 
           - Regardless, language matters  nadinbrzezinski   May-14-10 01:23 PM   #63 
              - Lets just call a shovel a fork  Oregone   May-14-10 02:21 PM   #68 
  - I emailed a similar point to MSNBC years ago & was shocked to get an interested response  blueworld   May-14-10 01:40 PM   #65 
  - We are all slaves to the current system.  ej510   May-14-10 01:49 PM   #67 
     - Less so than you think  Oregone   May-14-10 02:25 PM   #69 
     - True, but even in very small small ways, like product selection  blueworld   May-14-10 02:41 PM   #71 
     - No, you just lack the courage and conviction to stop participating  jberryhill   May-14-10 02:51 PM   #72 
  - No doubt.....And if people don't wrap their brains around that quickly......Oh well.  marmar   May-14-10 03:28 PM   #77 
  - Not life, just humanity and civilization as we know it. Life is remarkably resilient. nt  Umbral   May-14-10 03:53 PM   #80 
  - Corporations gave Sociopaths a Purpose  fascisthunter   May-14-10 04:32 PM   #87 
  - Complete destruction of the world.  ej510   May-14-10 08:33 PM   #92 
  - I heard a streetcorner preacher screaming about armageddon the other day  MajorChode   May-15-10 10:39 AM   #94 
  - I think so, too.  Quantess   May-15-10 11:13 AM   #95 

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