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Response to Reply #197
199. "Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits "
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  -FactCheck: Obama Administration has Approved NO NEW Offshore Rigs since the BP Disaster berni_mccoy  May-13-10 10:44 AM   #0 
  - Oh noes! Heads will explode!!1! nt  babylonsister   May-13-10 10:46 AM   #1 
  - Unfortunately, berni is wrong.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 10:56 AM   #14 
     - shows 27 new offhshore drilling project approved since the spill!  amborin   May-13-10 11:00 AM   #19 
     - Seems like a lot of these approvals are for a plan or a document to be produced  Cant trust em   May-13-10 11:07 AM   #27 
     - Wrong again. See response #23.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:08 AM   #28 
     - You are misrepresenting the Center for Biodiversity. It never claimed rigs were approved.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:13 AM   #35 
        - No, I am not. They intended to give a perception of NEW DRILLING and that is what was  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:14 AM   #38 
           - Hocus Pocus. We have a mind reader  Jakes Progress   May-13-10 05:17 PM   #240 
     - Wow! What a surprise...n/t  joeybee12   May-13-10 11:51 AM   #75 
  - Thank you so much! It was so disturbing and puzzling hearing that more  gateley   May-13-10 10:46 AM   #2 
  - As luminous animal tried to point out to you...  cornermouse   May-13-10 02:47 PM   #220 
     - "...rigs that will be allowed to go forward..." and "without being required to be  gateley   May-13-10 03:16 PM   #225 
        - We are saying that drilling approval has already been granted.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 04:24 PM   #233 
           - Okay -- thanks for clarifying. nt  gateley   May-13-10 05:24 PM   #242 
  - I look forward to the correction and sincere apologies  Robb   May-13-10 10:46 AM   #3 
  - Um, can you provide the official "long form" statement proving this?  NYC_SKP   May-13-10 10:47 AM   #4 
  - LOL  Robb   May-13-10 10:48 AM   #5 
  - .  NYC_SKP   May-13-10 11:04 AM   #22 
  - Berni is comparing apples to oranges.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:06 AM   #24 
     - Wrong again. See response #23.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:07 AM   #26 
     - Well lets compare apples to apples and use the actual PCNs provided by BD...  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:30 AM   #56 
  - Now Serving Outrange #1307  tranche   May-13-10 10:49 AM   #6 
  - Yeah, that seemed like more bogus  Cha   May-13-10 10:50 AM   #7 
  - Nope the Center for Biodiversity is right. Berni is wrong.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 10:58 AM   #15 
     - You really need to read response #23.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:09 AM   #29 
     - And that data, when using the plan control numbers doesn't match up to MMS data at all.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:20 AM   #47 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 11:20 AM   #48 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 11:21 AM   #49 
        - Actually no, it takes about 5 minutes to compare the PCNs, the OP is 100% correct  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:23 AM   #50 
           - Plan control # 5037  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:47 AM   #68 
              - 5037 is an exploratory plan  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:49 AM   #71 
              - All 27 are there.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:59 AM   #87 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 12:00 PM   #89 
                    - Plan 9503:  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:10 PM   #96 
                       - 9503 - Plan Type Code - EP, exploratory plan. The pdf is trash because it doesn't match real data.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:17 PM   #108 
                          - It is their own damn plan submitted to the government for approval.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:33 PM   #131 
                             - The pdf you speak of is the one that BD put together. NOT the government.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:36 PM   #135 
                                - I downloaded it from the MMS site. The government site.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:58 PM   #157 
                                - I have no idea what you are talking about. I physically went to the MMS site  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:29 PM   #173 
              - 5037 & 9503 are EP, meaning its exploratory, its not an approved drilling project.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:53 AM   #80 
                 - The other one is an amendment to an existing plan (code "A")  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:57 AM   #84 
                 - You can click on "You can download the plan directly by clicking here: "  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:05 PM   #92 
                    - I've clicked on details for all 27 claims, and no, they have not been approved.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:12 PM   #102 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 12:27 PM   #121 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 12:39 PM   #140 
  - THANK YOU! THANK YOU!  Raine1967   May-13-10 10:50 AM   #8 
  - Thank you! n/t  csziggy   May-13-10 10:55 AM   #11 
  - 27 new drilling plans approved since the spill  amborin   May-13-10 11:03 AM   #21 
     - Which is exactly what the OP just unarguably refuted.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:19 AM   #46 
        - yeah, right...  joeybee12   May-13-10 11:52 AM   #77 
           - Why? Will that help be better read the solid data at MMS.gov that debunks your bullshit?  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:58 AM   #86 
              - The solid data is the application submitted to the government.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:35 PM   #133 
                 - I read the details of plan. ALL approved plans in the date range are EP.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:37 PM   #137 
                 - The rig that just blew up was an exploratory rig.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:59 PM   #159 
                 - And for the government to have APPROVED an application, it needs an "A" by it  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:39 PM   #139 
                    - Apprently, you did not read any of the  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:47 PM   #150 
  - is there a moratorium on drilling or not? If so - it should apply to all stages of drilling  DrDan   May-13-10 10:52 AM   #9 
  - You need to do a search for the APPROVAL date not the received date.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 10:54 AM   #10 
  - Actually, they didn't.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 10:59 AM   #16 
     - Actually it is the "plan final action date".  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:02 AM   # 
        - They are still incorrect in their conclusion looking at "their" data.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:06 AM   #23 
           - The Center never claimed rigs.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:10 AM   #32 
              - Sorry, the perception they created was NEW DRILLING. Now that you know the facts  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:13 AM   #36 
                 - Do you've read each EP report, have you?  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:31 AM   #57 
                    - LOL! keep moving that goal-post baby  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:32 AM   #59 
                    - Can you please provide the PCNs for those 3 you found?  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:37 AM   #62 
                       - That person won't because they know they're wrong. They are so fact challenged...  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:42 AM   #66 
                       - Yes...  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:48 AM   #70 
                          - ok, see my response, 2 are exploratory, 1 is an extension of a project started in 2002  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:55 AM   #81 
                          - Exploratory does not mean no drilling.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:07 PM   #93 
                             - Do you even bother to look up a fucking fact?  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:11 PM   #97 
                             - And the Center for Biodiversity never claimed that they were drilling for oil.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:14 PM   #106 
                             - They implied it and as well as misstated the facts and data.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:27 PM   #119 
                                - The criticism is that these plans were approved with an "environmental review" waiver.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:32 PM   #129 
                                   - Which is 100% false. There were not 27 plans approved with the waiver  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:40 PM   #141 
                             - Wrong.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:35 PM   #177 
                             - If its not POD or DOCD, its not drilling. Drilling implies taking a drill and using it.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:14 PM   #104 
                                - #7408  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:23 PM   #114 
                                   - 7408, started in 2002, proposed activities approved 3/21/2002.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:32 PM   #128 
                                      - Plan action code "S"  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:43 PM   #145 
                                         - Which means its painfully obvious that its an ongoing project that has not been halted.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:45 PM   #148 
                                            - Which means it is painfully obvious that the govenment approved expansion.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:48 PM   #151 
                                            - Moving the goal posts by resorting to vagueness will not prove your point.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:57 PM   #156 
                                            - So there is no moratorium on drilling for exploratory purposes?  sabrina 1   May-13-10 07:12 PM   #251 
                          - dupe  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:56 AM   #82 
  - Many thanks  yellerpup   May-13-10 10:55 AM   #12 
  - I know. It's hard to believe so many people just willy nilly think  Solomon   May-13-10 12:35 PM   #134 
  - I was skeptical when I saw that report.. Thanks for doing the leg-work!  jtrockville   May-13-10 10:56 AM   #13 
  - Note that berni searched for the received date not the plan final action date.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:00 AM   #18 
     - See my response #23 above. Even if you trust "THEIR" data, which I don't  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:07 AM   #25 
     - The got their data from the same place you got yours. Why don't you use their search parameters?  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:15 AM   #39 
        - I just searched using plan control numbers from THEIR data and their data is not what MMS shows.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:17 AM   #41 
           - Here.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:40 AM   #64 
              - Link doesn't work. Its a posted form. You will have to tell me the params you used.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:41 AM   #65 
                 - Received date: 3/5 - 4/21  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 11:50 AM   #72 
     - Biological Diversity is apparently showing outdated data or LYING.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:14 AM   #37 
  - FUCK FACTS!!!!!! /sarcasm  uponit7771   May-13-10 10:59 AM   #17 
  - 27 new drilling plans approved since the spill  amborin   May-13-10 11:02 AM   #20 
     - They were PERSONALLY APPROVED by that Muslin!!!  cliffordu   May-13-10 11:10 AM   #31 
     - We'll see what they fishing lobby has to say about it.  tcaudilllg   May-13-10 11:24 AM   #51 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 12:41 PM   #142 
  - Your search is based on received date not approved date.  PufPuf23   May-13-10 11:10 AM   #30 
  - See response #23. Most are revisions to existing plans as well.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:11 AM   #34 
  - The Categorical Exclusions are based upon NEPA implementing regs from 1978  PufPuf23   May-13-10 11:37 AM   #63 
  - It doesn't matter. If you search actual plan control numbers straight from BD's supposed data...  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:16 AM   #40 
  - Delete...  SidDithers   May-13-10 11:17 AM   #42 
     - Yea, so if you want real facts, compare their plan control numbers to MMS data.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:18 AM   #43 
     - Damn. Posted in the wrong place. Should be a reply to the OP...nt  SidDithers   May-13-10 11:26 AM   # 
     - Except that poster isn't posting real facts. They are reporting a misrepresentation of "facts"  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:19 AM   #44 
        - Posted in the wrong spot, berni. That was supposed to be a reply to your OP...  SidDithers   May-13-10 11:29 AM   #55 
           - LOL, thanks.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:32 AM   #61 
  - Fact Check: Salazar betrays public trust  robdogbucky   May-13-10 11:11 AM   #33 
  - What you posted is exactly what the OP refuted and the data on the MMS site backs him up.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:26 AM   #52 
     - Facts don't matter to those who hate Obama.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:27 AM   #54 
     - Cite your source  robdogbucky   May-13-10 12:12 PM   #103 
     - Really?  robdogbucky   May-13-10 12:14 PM   #107 
  - Thanks.  Scurrilous   May-13-10 11:19 AM   #45 
  - Evidently, the Interior Department is also challenging the claim.  ProSense   May-13-10 11:26 AM   #53 
  - There used to be a day when DU would break the story with FACTS...  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:31 AM   #58 
  - "Sadly, bullshit sensational posts get over 100 recs now."  redqueen   May-13-10 12:20 PM   #112 
  - The DOI official is correct in that the MMS needs more time  PufPuf23   May-13-10 11:51 AM   #74 
  - Thanks for posting that...  SidDithers   May-13-10 11:32 AM   #60 
  - Thank you  ismnotwasm   May-13-10 11:43 AM   #67 
  - Berni from the bottom of my heart.. thank you... I have been digging looking for those 27  Peacetrain   May-13-10 11:48 AM   #69 
  - Since spill, agency has given 27 waivers to oil companies in Gulf  Junkdrawer   May-13-10 11:50 AM   #73 
  - You do realize I just debunked that story, don't you? Not sure why you'd post  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:52 AM   #76 
  - I'm seeing CERAs granted for the plans BD claims were given waivers...  Junkdrawer   May-13-10 11:56 AM   #83 
     - CERAs granted on EPs or Existing sites. Not NEW DRILLINGs which is the claim.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:59 AM   #88 
     - Here's my post. Where do I claim NEW DRILLINGs?  Junkdrawer   May-13-10 12:02 PM   #90 
        - "Is there a moratorium on offshore drilling or not?" That's in the post  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:09 PM   #95 
           - When you put words in my mouth, you can prove me a liar...  Junkdrawer   May-13-10 12:12 PM   #101 
              - The words I quoted from your post? Genius.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:14 PM   #105 
                 - Granting "No environmental impact statement required" waivers....  Junkdrawer   May-13-10 12:18 PM   #110 
                    - Except the data shows there has been no final action taken on those requests.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:19 PM   #111 
                       - Waivers were granted...  Junkdrawer   May-13-10 12:26 PM   # 
                          - For exploratory plans.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:29 PM   #126 
                          - No. Its approved, but its an approved exploratory plan. NOT approved drilling.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:34 PM   #132 
                             - The disaster in the gulf is the result of an exploratory rig.  Critters2   May-13-10 12:47 PM   #149 
                                - Exactly. The rig that blew up was an exploratory rig.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 12:51 PM   #153 
                                - Wrong. It was a mobile unit, not exploratory. It was capable of production operation  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:01 PM   #160 
                                   - Details on the plan (Plan type "EP)  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:14 PM   #163 
                                   - That site for that EP was cancelled last year.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:44 PM   #185 
                                   - Resubmitted 4/16/09 and approved.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:49 PM   #189 
                                      - In OH-NINE.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:54 PM   #191 
                                         - You are making no sense. I am providing you with the information  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:01 PM   #195 
                                   - From the pdf of BP's plan  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:16 PM   #166 
     - If final Action Code isnt A, then its not approved.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:08 PM   #94 
     - they've debunked nothing; Obama approved 27 new sets of plans since the spill  amborin   May-13-10 12:12 PM   #100 
        - Except thats exactly what we debunked. Show me search examples from MMS that prove otherwise.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:18 PM   #109 
           - I have done this several times.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:25 PM   #211 
  - Wow, you totally replied to a thread debunking exactly what you are posting.  phleshdef   May-13-10 11:57 AM   #85 
  - DRILL, BABY DRILL!!!!!!!  greencharlie   May-13-10 11:53 AM   #78 
  - FACTS, BABY FACTS!!!!!!  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 11:53 AM   #79 
  - The MMS is issuing Categorical Exclusions on NEPA implementing regs not updated since 1978  PufPuf23   May-13-10 12:24 PM   #116 
  - Yea its like people expect the Obama administration to reregulated the whole thing by now.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:27 PM   #120 
  - FOOD, BABY FOOD!!!!!  Cali_Democrat   May-13-10 12:28 PM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 01:19 PM   #168 
  - You might have better luck convincing teabaggers they actually paid less with Obama Taxes  LynneSin   May-13-10 12:03 PM   #91 
  - Well. Fucking. Said.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:11 PM   #98 
  - Ouch. nt  Robb   May-13-10 12:11 PM   #99 
  - lol n/t  tammywammy   May-13-10 12:23 PM   #115 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 01:36 PM   #178 
  - So how is this administration or any administration going to  ipaint   May-13-10 12:22 PM   #113 
  - BDs own title on their own document "MMS Approved Drilling Plans"  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:24 PM   #117 
     - MMS acknowledges the claim.  ipaint   May-13-10 12:36 PM   #136 
        - Until final drilling approval is given, you can't really make much of an assessment about intention.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:44 PM   #146 
           - No, it's painfully obvious to us, BP could give a shit.  ipaint   May-13-10 12:50 PM   #152 
              - The fact that the OP was debunking BDs data and the fact that their data..  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:55 PM   #154 
                 - No, MMS specifically referred to the exemptions. nt  ipaint   May-13-10 12:59 PM   #158 
  - You should be ashamed for posting disinformation and propaganda.  earth mom   May-13-10 12:26 PM   #118 
  - You should be ashamed for being duped by bullshit.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 12:28 PM   #122 
  - And the ONLY source we have on approved plans proves that you are wrong.  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:28 PM   #124 
  - The only source proves that the BDC is correct.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:05 PM   #198 
  - + 1000  BakedAtAMileHigh   May-13-10 12:28 PM   #125 
  - So when people use the same source to claim there have been approved plans...  phleshdef   May-13-10 12:30 PM   #127 
  - The government admits the claim.  EFerrari   May-13-10 01:10 PM   #162 
     - They absolutely do not. They say there have been FOUR approvals of EPs  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:16 PM   #165 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-13-10 01:18 PM   #167 
        - From your link.  ipaint   May-13-10 01:37 PM   #179 
        - They approved FOUR more... as noted in the OP. Get over it already. CBD was wrong.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:39 PM   #180 
           - You continue to refuse to look at the approval date and stick to the submit date.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:44 PM   #186 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-10 01:46 PM   #188 
                 - Proof that I am not lying.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:58 PM   #194 
                 - Apparently, you are comfortable with calling me a liar and letting it stand  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:24 PM   #209 
                 - An EP. Find me 27 new drilling operations  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 03:25 PM   #226 
                    - "Exploration Drilling" from the pdf plan submitted by the oil company.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 03:40 PM   #229 
                       - Soooo, you can't. Which means CBD got it wrong. And so did you.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 06:30 PM   #245 
                          - I can't what? I have proved time and time again that an "EP" designation  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 07:11 PM   #250 
                 - Crickets.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:35 PM   #216 
        - Because both you and the government are searching by submit date  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 01:39 PM   #181 
  - Yep and the OP is famous for it. nt  earth mom   May-13-10 12:32 PM   #130 
  - back to the list with the opt-in propagandists  Moochy   May-14-10 12:07 AM   #256 
  - Yep- it's always hate when people use their lying eye and ears  depakid   May-13-10 12:42 PM   #144 
  - No kidding.  EFerrari   May-13-10 12:57 PM   #155 
  - But Berni, people need to get their hate on!  Patriot 76   May-13-10 12:38 PM   #138 
  - Let me just say this.. I got a real education today in DU..  Peacetrain   May-13-10 12:41 PM   #143 
  - Does your supervisor approve you can cheat too.  ipaint   May-13-10 12:45 PM   #147 
  - Lying is wrong  HughMoran   May-13-10 01:22 PM   #169 
  - You didn't get an education. You believed what you want to believe.  Prism   May-13-10 01:06 PM   #161 
     - I think it is people pissed about the waivers vs people pointing out no real drilling has been  Jennicut   May-13-10 01:22 PM   #170 
     - I see a lot of bureaucratic trickery from Salazar  Prism   May-13-10 01:52 PM   #190 
     - Lying is wrong  HughMoran   May-13-10 01:23 PM   #171 
        - I see no lie. I do see a lot of obfuscation.  Prism   May-13-10 01:41 PM   #184 
           - "Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits"  HughMoran   May-13-10 01:56 PM   #192 
              - I've looked at the 7 of the pdfs of the plans submitted and approved  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:11 PM   #201 
              - "MMS Approved 27 Gulf Drilling Operations After BP Disaster"  Prism   May-13-10 02:12 PM   #202 
                 - 111 recs on DU "Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits "  HughMoran   May-13-10 02:13 PM   #203 
                 - Does Wrong = Correct?  Prism   May-13-10 02:18 PM   #206 
                    - So you won't address the headline  HughMoran   May-13-10 02:24 PM   #210 
                       - I did  Prism   May-13-10 02:28 PM   #213 
                          - "Interior Department official said those numbers are inaccurate and that four exploration plans have  HughMoran   May-13-10 02:30 PM   #214 
                             - Because the Interior department is reporting ONLY on plans that were submitted after  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:34 PM   #215 
                             - If you were interested in facts  Prism   May-13-10 02:38 PM   #217 
                                - So 27 rigs can start drilling now at any time?  HughMoran   May-13-10 02:40 PM   #218 
                                   - That's not what CBD's article argued  Prism   May-13-10 02:46 PM   #219 
                                   - Broad brush insult and dodge  HughMoran   May-13-10 03:05 PM   #224 
                                   - Schedule for explration drilling... 6/1/10 & 6/21/10  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 04:15 PM   #231 
                 - I have offered direct quotes from many of the oil companies plans submitted  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:16 PM   #205 
                    - You're doing good work  Prism   May-13-10 02:20 PM   #208 
                    - Thank you.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:27 PM   #212 
                    - Thank you. There certainly is enough culpability to go around and why some refuse to even admit  saracat   May-13-10 05:13 PM   #238 
                    - They've gotten their precious ego's mixed up with Obama's Persona  Moochy   May-14-10 12:10 AM   #257 
                    - That settles it for me.  spoony   May-14-10 02:39 AM   #259 
  - I was almost certain that this ridiculous claim was false, I was just too lazy to research it  HughMoran   May-13-10 01:15 PM   #164 
  - So far 28 people who want to hide this thread  HughMoran   May-13-10 01:27 PM   #172 
  - So it took a huge environmental disaster before they decided that drilling  walldude   May-13-10 01:29 PM   #174 
  - But, it's ok to attack the administration with false information? OK.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:32 PM   #175 
  - No one claimed oil rigs where approved. nt  ipaint   May-13-10 01:40 PM   #183 
     - They claimed new drilling had been exempted and approved. 27 times.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 01:45 PM   #187 
        - They never said or implied that.  ipaint   May-13-10 02:03 PM   #197 
           - "Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits "  HughMoran   May-13-10 02:06 PM   #199 
              - That is the DUers title not the CBD's title.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:09 PM   #200 
              - Yeah, Theirs is SO MUCH BETTER: "MMS Approved 27 Gulf Drilling Operations After BP Disaster"  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 02:16 PM   #204 
                 - Look at the pdfs of the oil company's plans that were posted on the MMS site  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 02:18 PM   #207 
              - And permits aren't rigs.  ipaint   May-13-10 02:52 PM   #222 
  - 40,000 people die in automobiles each year  HughMoran   May-13-10 01:34 PM   #176 
  - Mege K&R!  NJmaverick   May-13-10 01:40 PM   #182 
  - You mean someone stretched the truth to attack Obama from the left  Radical Activist   May-13-10 01:57 PM   #193 
  - Fact: this thread itself is cynically manipulated data.  readmoreoften   May-13-10 02:01 PM   #196 
  - OK, this is the fourth smear on Obama I have read in as many days.  KonaKane   May-13-10 02:48 PM   #221 
  - post 211 debunked the op's claim. nt  ipaint   May-13-10 02:55 PM   #223 
     - Not really. It supports the OP  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 03:25 PM   #227 
        - Your op hasn't been supported this whole thread.  ipaint   May-13-10 03:27 PM   #228 
        - Sez u.  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 03:41 PM   #230 
        - How so? The actual plan submitted by the oil company states "Exploration Drilling"  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 04:21 PM   #232 
           - The Exploration was approved last year. They were drilling a production well  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 06:17 PM   #243 
              - I prefer to access the actual paperwork submitted to the government  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 07:07 PM   #249 
              - Show me the MMS link to prove your assertion. You can't because it doesn't exist.  Luminous Animal   May-14-10 01:46 AM   #258 
  - The exemptions still exist and these people aren't lying! These are not Obama haters. They are  saracat   May-13-10 05:00 PM   #234 
  - "Is there a moratorium on off shore drilling or not?"  HughMoran   May-13-10 05:02 PM   #235 
  - So what we have are companies getting exemptions approved  Jakes Progress   May-13-10 05:08 PM   #236 
  - Thats what it looks like.  saracat   May-13-10 05:13 PM   #239 
  - Why are the exemptions continuing to be issued if there is a moratorium?  saracat   May-13-10 05:10 PM   #237 
     - by law. "For that third stage Congress currently requires MMS to review oil and gas plans within 30.  HughMoran   May-13-10 05:17 PM   #241 
  - Let me remind you of the title: "MMS Approved 27 Gulf Drilling Operations After BP Disaster"  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 06:20 PM   #244 
     - LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Nikki Stone1   May-13-10 06:44 PM   #246 
     - sad  NJmaverick   May-13-10 08:19 PM   #253 
     - MMS DID make 27 exemptions since disaster; only actual drilling is temp suspended; just say the word  amborin   May-13-10 06:45 PM   #247 
        - MMS did not APPROVE 27 new drilling operations  berni_mccoy   May-13-10 07:01 PM   #248 
           - Exploratory drilling IS drilling.  Luminous Animal   May-13-10 07:13 PM   #252 
              - Thank you.  Nikki Stone1   May-13-10 11:04 PM   #254 
  - *******  FarLeftFist   May-13-10 11:45 PM   #255 
 

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