| -FactCheck: Obama Administration has Approved NO NEW Offshore Rigs since the BP Disaster |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 10:44 AM |
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Oh noes! Heads will explode!!1! nt |
babylonsister |
May-13-10 10:46 AM |
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Unfortunately, berni is wrong. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 10:56 AM |
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shows 27 new offhshore drilling project approved since the spill! |
amborin |
May-13-10 11:00 AM |
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Seems like a lot of these approvals are for a plan or a document to be produced |
Cant trust em |
May-13-10 11:07 AM |
#27 |
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Wrong again. See response #23. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:08 AM |
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You are misrepresenting the Center for Biodiversity. It never claimed rigs were approved. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:13 AM |
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No, I am not. They intended to give a perception of NEW DRILLING and that is what was |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:14 AM |
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Hocus Pocus. We have a mind reader |
Jakes Progress |
May-13-10 05:17 PM |
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Wow! What a surprise...n/t |
joeybee12 |
May-13-10 11:51 AM |
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Thank you so much! It was so disturbing and puzzling hearing that more |
gateley |
May-13-10 10:46 AM |
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As luminous animal tried to point out to you... |
cornermouse |
May-13-10 02:47 PM |
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"...rigs that will be allowed to go forward..." and "without being required to be |
gateley |
May-13-10 03:16 PM |
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We are saying that drilling approval has already been granted. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 04:24 PM |
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Okay -- thanks for clarifying. nt |
gateley |
May-13-10 05:24 PM |
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I look forward to the correction and sincere apologies |
Robb |
May-13-10 10:46 AM |
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Um, can you provide the official "long form" statement proving this? |
NYC_SKP |
May-13-10 10:47 AM |
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LOL |
Robb |
May-13-10 10:48 AM |
#5 |
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. |
NYC_SKP |
May-13-10 11:04 AM |
#22 |
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Berni is comparing apples to oranges. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:06 AM |
#24 |
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Wrong again. See response #23. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:07 AM |
#26 |
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Well lets compare apples to apples and use the actual PCNs provided by BD... |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:30 AM |
#56 |
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Now Serving Outrange #1307 |
tranche |
May-13-10 10:49 AM |
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Yeah, that seemed like more bogus |
Cha |
May-13-10 10:50 AM |
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Nope the Center for Biodiversity is right. Berni is wrong. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 10:58 AM |
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You really need to read response #23. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:09 AM |
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And that data, when using the plan control numbers doesn't match up to MMS data at all. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:20 AM |
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May-13-10 11:20 AM |
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May-13-10 11:21 AM |
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Actually no, it takes about 5 minutes to compare the PCNs, the OP is 100% correct |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:23 AM |
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Plan control # 5037 |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:47 AM |
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5037 is an exploratory plan |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:49 AM |
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All 27 are there. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:59 AM |
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May-13-10 12:00 PM |
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Plan 9503: |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:10 PM |
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9503 - Plan Type Code - EP, exploratory plan. The pdf is trash because it doesn't match real data. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:17 PM |
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It is their own damn plan submitted to the government for approval. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:33 PM |
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The pdf you speak of is the one that BD put together. NOT the government. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:36 PM |
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I downloaded it from the MMS site. The government site. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:58 PM |
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I physically went to the MMS site |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:29 PM |
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5037 & 9503 are EP, meaning its exploratory, its not an approved drilling project. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:53 AM |
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The other one is an amendment to an existing plan (code "A") |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:57 AM |
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You can click on "You can download the plan directly by clicking here: " |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:05 PM |
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I've clicked on details for all 27 claims, and no, they have not been approved. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:12 PM |
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May-13-10 12:27 PM |
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May-13-10 12:39 PM |
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! |
Raine1967 |
May-13-10 10:50 AM |
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Thank you! n/t |
csziggy |
May-13-10 10:55 AM |
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27 new drilling plans approved since the spill |
amborin |
May-13-10 11:03 AM |
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Which is exactly what the OP just unarguably refuted. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:19 AM |
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yeah, right... |
joeybee12 |
May-13-10 11:52 AM |
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Why? Will that help be better read the solid data at MMS.gov that debunks your bullshit? |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:58 AM |
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The solid data is the application submitted to the government. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:35 PM |
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I read the details of plan. ALL approved plans in the date range are EP. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:37 PM |
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The rig that just blew up was an exploratory rig. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:59 PM |
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And for the government to have APPROVED an application, it needs an "A" by it |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:39 PM |
#139 |
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Apprently, you did not read any of the |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:47 PM |
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is there a moratorium on drilling or not? If so - it should apply to all stages of drilling |
DrDan |
May-13-10 10:52 AM |
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You need to do a search for the APPROVAL date not the received date. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 10:54 AM |
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Actually, they didn't. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 10:59 AM |
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Actually it is the "plan final action date". |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:02 AM |
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They are still incorrect in their conclusion looking at "their" data. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:06 AM |
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The Center never claimed rigs. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:10 AM |
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Sorry, the perception they created was NEW DRILLING. Now that you know the facts |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:13 AM |
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Do you've read each EP report, have you? |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:31 AM |
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LOL! keep moving that goal-post baby |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:32 AM |
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Can you please provide the PCNs for those 3 you found? |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:37 AM |
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That person won't because they know they're wrong. They are so fact challenged... |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:42 AM |
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Yes... |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:48 AM |
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ok, see my response, 2 are exploratory, 1 is an extension of a project started in 2002 |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:55 AM |
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Exploratory does not mean no drilling. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:07 PM |
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Do you even bother to look up a fucking fact? |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:11 PM |
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And the Center for Biodiversity never claimed that they were drilling for oil. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:14 PM |
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They implied it and as well as misstated the facts and data. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:27 PM |
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The criticism is that these plans were approved with an "environmental review" waiver. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:32 PM |
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Which is 100% false. There were not 27 plans approved with the waiver |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:40 PM |
#141 |
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Wrong. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:35 PM |
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If its not POD or DOCD, its not drilling. Drilling implies taking a drill and using it. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:14 PM |
#104 |
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#7408 |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:23 PM |
#114 |
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7408, started in 2002, proposed activities approved 3/21/2002. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:32 PM |
#128 |
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Plan action code "S" |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:43 PM |
#145 |
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Which means its painfully obvious that its an ongoing project that has not been halted. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:45 PM |
#148 |
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Which means it is painfully obvious that the govenment approved expansion. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:48 PM |
#151 |
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Moving the goal posts by resorting to vagueness will not prove your point. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:57 PM |
#156 |
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So there is no moratorium on drilling for exploratory purposes? |
sabrina 1 |
May-13-10 07:12 PM |
#251 |
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dupe |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:56 AM |
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Many thanks |
yellerpup |
May-13-10 10:55 AM |
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I know. It's hard to believe so many people just willy nilly think |
Solomon |
May-13-10 12:35 PM |
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I was skeptical when I saw that report.. Thanks for doing the leg-work! |
jtrockville |
May-13-10 10:56 AM |
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Note that berni searched for the received date not the plan final action date. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:00 AM |
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See my response #23 above. Even if you trust "THEIR" data, which I don't |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:07 AM |
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The got their data from the same place you got yours. Why don't you use their search parameters? |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:15 AM |
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I just searched using plan control numbers from THEIR data and their data is not what MMS shows. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:17 AM |
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Here. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:40 AM |
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Link doesn't work. Its a posted form. You will have to tell me the params you used. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:41 AM |
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Received date: 3/5 - 4/21 |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 11:50 AM |
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Biological Diversity is apparently showing outdated data or LYING. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:14 AM |
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FUCK FACTS!!!!!! /sarcasm |
uponit7771 |
May-13-10 10:59 AM |
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27 new drilling plans approved since the spill |
amborin |
May-13-10 11:02 AM |
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They were PERSONALLY APPROVED by that Muslin!!! |
cliffordu |
May-13-10 11:10 AM |
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We'll see what they fishing lobby has to say about it. |
tcaudilllg |
May-13-10 11:24 AM |
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May-13-10 12:41 PM |
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Your search is based on received date not approved date. |
PufPuf23 |
May-13-10 11:10 AM |
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See response #23. Most are revisions to existing plans as well. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:11 AM |
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The Categorical Exclusions are based upon NEPA implementing regs from 1978 |
PufPuf23 |
May-13-10 11:37 AM |
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It doesn't matter. If you search actual plan control numbers straight from BD's supposed data... |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:16 AM |
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Delete... |
SidDithers |
May-13-10 11:17 AM |
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Yea, so if you want real facts, compare their plan control numbers to MMS data. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:18 AM |
#43 |
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Damn. Posted in the wrong place. Should be a reply to the OP...nt |
SidDithers |
May-13-10 11:26 AM |
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Except that poster isn't posting real facts. They are reporting a misrepresentation of "facts" |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:19 AM |
#44 |
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Posted in the wrong spot, berni. That was supposed to be a reply to your OP... |
SidDithers |
May-13-10 11:29 AM |
#55 |
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LOL, thanks. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:32 AM |
#61 |
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Fact Check: Salazar betrays public trust |
robdogbucky |
May-13-10 11:11 AM |
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What you posted is exactly what the OP refuted and the data on the MMS site backs him up. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:26 AM |
#52 |
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Facts don't matter to those who hate Obama. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:27 AM |
#54 |
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Cite your source |
robdogbucky |
May-13-10 12:12 PM |
#103 |
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Really? |
robdogbucky |
May-13-10 12:14 PM |
#107 |
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Thanks. |
Scurrilous |
May-13-10 11:19 AM |
#45 |
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Evidently, the Interior Department is also challenging the claim. |
ProSense |
May-13-10 11:26 AM |
#53 |
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There used to be a day when DU would break the story with FACTS... |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:31 AM |
#58 |
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"Sadly, bullshit sensational posts get over 100 recs now." |
redqueen |
May-13-10 12:20 PM |
#112 |
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The DOI official is correct in that the MMS needs more time |
PufPuf23 |
May-13-10 11:51 AM |
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Thanks for posting that... |
SidDithers |
May-13-10 11:32 AM |
#60 |
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Thank you |
ismnotwasm |
May-13-10 11:43 AM |
#67 |
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Berni from the bottom of my heart.. thank you... I have been digging looking for those 27 |
Peacetrain |
May-13-10 11:48 AM |
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Since spill, agency has given 27 waivers to oil companies in Gulf |
Junkdrawer |
May-13-10 11:50 AM |
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You do realize I just debunked that story, don't you? Not sure why you'd post |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:52 AM |
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I'm seeing CERAs granted for the plans BD claims were given waivers... |
Junkdrawer |
May-13-10 11:56 AM |
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CERAs granted on EPs or Existing sites. Not NEW DRILLINGs which is the claim. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:59 AM |
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Here's my post. Where do I claim NEW DRILLINGs? |
Junkdrawer |
May-13-10 12:02 PM |
#90 |
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"Is there a moratorium on offshore drilling or not?" That's in the post |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:09 PM |
#95 |
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When you put words in my mouth, you can prove me a liar... |
Junkdrawer |
May-13-10 12:12 PM |
#101 |
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The words I quoted from your post? Genius. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:14 PM |
#105 |
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Granting "No environmental impact statement required" waivers.... |
Junkdrawer |
May-13-10 12:18 PM |
#110 |
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Except the data shows there has been no final action taken on those requests. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:19 PM |
#111 |
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Waivers were granted... |
Junkdrawer |
May-13-10 12:26 PM |
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For exploratory plans. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:29 PM |
#126 |
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No. Its approved, but its an approved exploratory plan. NOT approved drilling. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:34 PM |
#132 |
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The disaster in the gulf is the result of an exploratory rig. |
Critters2 |
May-13-10 12:47 PM |
#149 |
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Exactly. The rig that blew up was an exploratory rig. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 12:51 PM |
#153 |
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Wrong. It was a mobile unit, not exploratory. It was capable of production operation |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:01 PM |
#160 |
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Details on the plan (Plan type "EP) |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:14 PM |
#163 |
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That site for that EP was cancelled last year. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:44 PM |
#185 |
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Resubmitted 4/16/09 and approved. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:49 PM |
#189 |
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In OH-NINE. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:54 PM |
#191 |
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You are making no sense. I am providing you with the information |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:01 PM |
#195 |
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From the pdf of BP's plan |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:16 PM |
#166 |
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If final Action Code isnt A, then its not approved. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:08 PM |
#94 |
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they've debunked nothing; Obama approved 27 new sets of plans since the spill |
amborin |
May-13-10 12:12 PM |
#100 |
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Except thats exactly what we debunked. Show me search examples from MMS that prove otherwise. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:18 PM |
#109 |
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I have done this several times. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:25 PM |
#211 |
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Wow, you totally replied to a thread debunking exactly what you are posting. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 11:57 AM |
#85 |
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DRILL, BABY DRILL!!!!!!! |
greencharlie |
May-13-10 11:53 AM |
#78 |
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FACTS, BABY FACTS!!!!!! |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 11:53 AM |
#79 |
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The MMS is issuing Categorical Exclusions on NEPA implementing regs not updated since 1978 |
PufPuf23 |
May-13-10 12:24 PM |
#116 |
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Yea its like people expect the Obama administration to reregulated the whole thing by now. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:27 PM |
#120 |
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FOOD, BABY FOOD!!!!! |
Cali_Democrat |
May-13-10 12:28 PM |
#123 |
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May-13-10 01:19 PM |
#168 |
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You might have better luck convincing teabaggers they actually paid less with Obama Taxes |
LynneSin |
May-13-10 12:03 PM |
#91 |
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Well. Fucking. Said. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:11 PM |
#98 |
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Ouch. nt |
Robb |
May-13-10 12:11 PM |
#99 |
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lol n/t |
tammywammy |
May-13-10 12:23 PM |
#115 |
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May-13-10 01:36 PM |
#178 |
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So how is this administration or any administration going to |
ipaint |
May-13-10 12:22 PM |
#113 |
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BDs own title on their own document "MMS Approved Drilling Plans" |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:24 PM |
#117 |
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MMS acknowledges the claim. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 12:36 PM |
#136 |
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Until final drilling approval is given, you can't really make much of an assessment about intention. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:44 PM |
#146 |
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No, it's painfully obvious to us, BP could give a shit. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 12:50 PM |
#152 |
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The fact that the OP was debunking BDs data and the fact that their data.. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:55 PM |
#154 |
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No, MMS specifically referred to the exemptions. nt |
ipaint |
May-13-10 12:59 PM |
#158 |
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You should be ashamed for posting disinformation and propaganda. |
earth mom |
May-13-10 12:26 PM |
#118 |
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You should be ashamed for being duped by bullshit. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 12:28 PM |
#122 |
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And the ONLY source we have on approved plans proves that you are wrong. |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:28 PM |
#124 |
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The only source proves that the BDC is correct. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:05 PM |
#198 |
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+ 1000 |
BakedAtAMileHigh |
May-13-10 12:28 PM |
#125 |
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So when people use the same source to claim there have been approved plans... |
phleshdef |
May-13-10 12:30 PM |
#127 |
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The government admits the claim. |
EFerrari |
May-13-10 01:10 PM |
#162 |
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They absolutely do not. They say there have been FOUR approvals of EPs |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:16 PM |
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May-13-10 01:18 PM |
#167 |
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From your link. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 01:37 PM |
#179 |
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They approved FOUR more... as noted in the OP. Get over it already. CBD was wrong. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:39 PM |
#180 |
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You continue to refuse to look at the approval date and stick to the submit date. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:44 PM |
#186 |
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May-13-10 01:46 PM |
#188 |
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Proof that I am not lying. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:58 PM |
#194 |
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Apparently, you are comfortable with calling me a liar and letting it stand |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:24 PM |
#209 |
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An EP. Find me 27 new drilling operations |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 03:25 PM |
#226 |
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"Exploration Drilling" from the pdf plan submitted by the oil company. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 03:40 PM |
#229 |
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Soooo, you can't. Which means CBD got it wrong. And so did you. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 06:30 PM |
#245 |
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I can't what? I have proved time and time again that an "EP" designation |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 07:11 PM |
#250 |
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Crickets. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:35 PM |
#216 |
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Because both you and the government are searching by submit date |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 01:39 PM |
#181 |
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Yep and the OP is famous for it. nt |
earth mom |
May-13-10 12:32 PM |
#130 |
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back to the list with the opt-in propagandists |
Moochy |
May-14-10 12:07 AM |
#256 |
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Yep- it's always hate when people use their lying eye and ears |
depakid |
May-13-10 12:42 PM |
#144 |
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No kidding. |
EFerrari |
May-13-10 12:57 PM |
#155 |
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But Berni, people need to get their hate on! |
Patriot 76 |
May-13-10 12:38 PM |
#138 |
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Let me just say this.. I got a real education today in DU.. |
Peacetrain |
May-13-10 12:41 PM |
#143 |
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Does your supervisor approve you can cheat too. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 12:45 PM |
#147 |
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Lying is wrong |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 01:22 PM |
#169 |
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You didn't get an education. You believed what you want to believe. |
Prism |
May-13-10 01:06 PM |
#161 |
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I think it is people pissed about the waivers vs people pointing out no real drilling has been |
Jennicut |
May-13-10 01:22 PM |
#170 |
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I see a lot of bureaucratic trickery from Salazar |
Prism |
May-13-10 01:52 PM |
#190 |
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Lying is wrong |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 01:23 PM |
#171 |
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I see no lie. I do see a lot of obfuscation. |
Prism |
May-13-10 01:41 PM |
#184 |
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"Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits" |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 01:56 PM |
#192 |
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I've looked at the 7 of the pdfs of the plans submitted and approved |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:11 PM |
#201 |
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"MMS Approved 27 Gulf Drilling Operations After BP Disaster" |
Prism |
May-13-10 02:12 PM |
#202 |
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111 recs on DU "Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits " |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 02:13 PM |
#203 |
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Does Wrong = Correct? |
Prism |
May-13-10 02:18 PM |
#206 |
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So you won't address the headline |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 02:24 PM |
#210 |
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I did |
Prism |
May-13-10 02:28 PM |
#213 |
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"Interior Department official said those numbers are inaccurate and that four exploration plans have |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 02:30 PM |
#214 |
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Because the Interior department is reporting ONLY on plans that were submitted after |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:34 PM |
#215 |
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If you were interested in facts |
Prism |
May-13-10 02:38 PM |
#217 |
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So 27 rigs can start drilling now at any time? |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 02:40 PM |
#218 |
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That's not what CBD's article argued |
Prism |
May-13-10 02:46 PM |
#219 |
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Broad brush insult and dodge |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 03:05 PM |
#224 |
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Schedule for explration drilling... 6/1/10 & 6/21/10 |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 04:15 PM |
#231 |
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I have offered direct quotes from many of the oil companies plans submitted |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:16 PM |
#205 |
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You're doing good work |
Prism |
May-13-10 02:20 PM |
#208 |
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Thank you. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:27 PM |
#212 |
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Thank you. There certainly is enough culpability to go around and why some refuse to even admit |
saracat |
May-13-10 05:13 PM |
#238 |
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They've gotten their precious ego's mixed up with Obama's Persona |
Moochy |
May-14-10 12:10 AM |
#257 |
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That settles it for me. |
spoony |
May-14-10 02:39 AM |
#259 |
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I was almost certain that this ridiculous claim was false, I was just too lazy to research it |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 01:15 PM |
#164 |
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So far 28 people who want to hide this thread |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 01:27 PM |
#172 |
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So it took a huge environmental disaster before they decided that drilling |
walldude |
May-13-10 01:29 PM |
#174 |
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But, it's ok to attack the administration with false information? OK. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:32 PM |
#175 |
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No one claimed oil rigs where approved. nt |
ipaint |
May-13-10 01:40 PM |
#183 |
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They claimed new drilling had been exempted and approved. 27 times. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 01:45 PM |
#187 |
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They never said or implied that. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 02:03 PM |
#197 |
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"Obama administration approves 27 New Offshore Drilling Permits " |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 02:06 PM |
#199 |
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That is the DUers title not the CBD's title. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:09 PM |
#200 |
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Yeah, Theirs is SO MUCH BETTER: "MMS Approved 27 Gulf Drilling Operations After BP Disaster" |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 02:16 PM |
#204 |
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Look at the pdfs of the oil company's plans that were posted on the MMS site |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 02:18 PM |
#207 |
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And permits aren't rigs. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 02:52 PM |
#222 |
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40,000 people die in automobiles each year |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 01:34 PM |
#176 |
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Mege K&R! |
NJmaverick |
May-13-10 01:40 PM |
#182 |
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You mean someone stretched the truth to attack Obama from the left |
Radical Activist |
May-13-10 01:57 PM |
#193 |
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Fact: this thread itself is cynically manipulated data. |
readmoreoften |
May-13-10 02:01 PM |
#196 |
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OK, this is the fourth smear on Obama I have read in as many days. |
KonaKane |
May-13-10 02:48 PM |
#221 |
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post 211 debunked the op's claim. nt |
ipaint |
May-13-10 02:55 PM |
#223 |
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Not really. It supports the OP |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 03:25 PM |
#227 |
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Your op hasn't been supported this whole thread. |
ipaint |
May-13-10 03:27 PM |
#228 |
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Sez u. |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 03:41 PM |
#230 |
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How so? The actual plan submitted by the oil company states "Exploration Drilling" |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 04:21 PM |
#232 |
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The Exploration was approved last year. They were drilling a production well |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 06:17 PM |
#243 |
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I prefer to access the actual paperwork submitted to the government |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 07:07 PM |
#249 |
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Show me the MMS link to prove your assertion. You can't because it doesn't exist. |
Luminous Animal |
May-14-10 01:46 AM |
#258 |
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The exemptions still exist and these people aren't lying! These are not Obama haters. They are |
saracat |
May-13-10 05:00 PM |
#234 |
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"Is there a moratorium on off shore drilling or not?" |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 05:02 PM |
#235 |
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So what we have are companies getting exemptions approved |
Jakes Progress |
May-13-10 05:08 PM |
#236 |
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Thats what it looks like. |
saracat |
May-13-10 05:13 PM |
#239 |
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Why are the exemptions continuing to be issued if there is a moratorium? |
saracat |
May-13-10 05:10 PM |
#237 |
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by law. "For that third stage Congress currently requires MMS to review oil and gas plans within 30. |
HughMoran |
May-13-10 05:17 PM |
#241 |
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Let me remind you of the title: "MMS Approved 27 Gulf Drilling Operations After BP Disaster" |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 06:20 PM |
#244 |
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-13-10 06:44 PM |
#246 |
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sad |
NJmaverick |
May-13-10 08:19 PM |
#253 |
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MMS DID make 27 exemptions since disaster; only actual drilling is temp suspended; just say the word |
amborin |
May-13-10 06:45 PM |
#247 |
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MMS did not APPROVE 27 new drilling operations |
berni_mccoy |
May-13-10 07:01 PM |
#248 |
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Exploratory drilling IS drilling. |
Luminous Animal |
May-13-10 07:13 PM |
#252 |
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Thank you. |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-13-10 11:04 PM |
#254 |
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******* |
FarLeftFist |
May-13-10 11:45 PM |
#255 |
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