William Z. Foster
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Fri May-14-10 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #115 |
| 117. that has been the rule |
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"A reasonably prosperous and relatively equitable and socially just society with relative democracy and human rights" has been the rule throughout the existence of humankind. The entire human race is the "success story" in that regard. Most of the human race was mostly successful through all time, and certainly never saw the horrors we are now seeing since capitalism arose. This crazy idea that we are now seeing the best of all possible worlds seem so self-evidently false that it is difficult to know how to refute it.
No "models work," since they only exist in your imagination. The lines you are parroting here have no connection to any objective reality an are merely propaganda talking points used to beat back any challenges to the status quo, any questioning of the social arrangements and conventions.
We don't have a "system" that was "devised." we have a chaotic free-for-all of greed and anti-social behavior that is the result of the absence of any social agreement or system.
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| -We Can't Afford Wall Street.....And We Don't Need It |
marmar |
May-13-10 07:52 AM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
May-13-10 08:03 AM |
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K & R |
SammyWinstonJack |
May-13-10 08:06 AM |
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K&R...n/t |
Oceansaway |
May-13-10 08:08 AM |
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This is very good post |
lunatica |
May-13-10 08:14 AM |
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Thanks.....and I agree ! |
marmar |
May-13-10 01:02 PM |
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Wonderfully put |
BR_Parkway |
May-13-10 02:53 PM |
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K/R |
Echo In Light |
May-13-10 02:57 PM |
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And for only $ 12.95 David will explain how markets are not necessary |
grantcart |
May-13-10 03:00 PM |
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FAIL....and besides, better David Korten than a Bankster. |
marmar |
May-13-10 03:29 PM |
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I met David when he was in AID in BKK and I like him but if you don't see |
grantcart |
May-13-10 03:33 PM |
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Star Trek Enterprise? Umm, okay..... |
marmar |
May-13-10 03:36 PM |
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The Star Trek hoopla is old and played out so 90s. |
Rex |
May-13-10 03:38 PM |
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agreed but their economic system seemed perfect although unexplained. |
grantcart |
May-13-10 03:41 PM |
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JUST LIKE OURS YA HOSER. |
cliffordu |
May-13-10 05:05 PM |
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unrelated |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 05:52 PM |
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If he was really against capitalism |
JoeyT |
May-13-10 06:07 PM |
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He didn't say that money wasn't necessary, or even markets |
eridani |
May-13-10 06:23 PM |
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couldn't agree more |
grantcart |
May-13-10 08:28 PM |
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It's referenced in their background. |
proteus_lives |
May-13-10 08:14 PM |
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Perfect post and absolutely true! Wall Street produces nothing of substance. |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-13-10 03:51 PM |
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Please study some finance |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 05:58 PM |
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that cat is chasing its own tail |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 07:13 PM |
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You need capital markets to fund businesses |
eridani |
May-13-10 08:26 PM |
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40% of all corporate profits. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 10:14 PM |
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Something can't be considered very 'modern' if it is a complete failure can it? |
AnArmyVeteran |
May-13-10 10:47 PM |
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makes sense to me. Does he tell us HOW to deep six it? |
cali |
May-13-10 05:09 PM |
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lock the doors |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 07:30 PM |
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40% of all us corporate profits go to wall street. it's a parasitical appendage of capital. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 05:53 PM |
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Completely not true |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 05:59 PM |
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that is why Wall Street exists |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 07:38 PM |
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Please link a source stating the 40% of corp profits go to WS. |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 07:45 PM |
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that's all? |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 08:05 PM |
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Thank you for posting an article to back up my argument |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 11:03 PM |
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"wall street" in common parlance = the financial sector. but that part *is* open |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:04 PM |
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that is true |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:23 PM |
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You really do think "Wall Street" refers as a zip code range on a specific street of New York? |
liberation |
May-14-10 03:47 AM |
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good article here |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 08:12 PM |
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I'd say 40% of profits are "earned" by wall street |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 10:55 PM |
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Is shilling for Wall Street a hobby or a profession? |
U4ikLefty |
May-13-10 11:19 PM |
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;>) |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:25 PM |
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rofl |
Starry Messenger |
May-13-10 11:26 PM |
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I think they teach this stuff in college! |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:41 PM |
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I don't like many things WS did |
taught_me_patience |
May-14-10 01:50 AM |
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LOL... |
liberation |
May-14-10 03:52 AM |
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they are? |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:48 PM |
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I was right, then |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 09:36 PM |
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yep. they're quick to call people on stuff (usually with a dollop of name-calling), but |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 10:16 PM |
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Oy vey you are truly dense |
Egnever |
May-13-10 10:33 PM |
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i'm not sure what you're babbling about. i said 40% of all corporate profits go to wall street. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 10:45 PM |
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Obviously your writing style needs some clarity |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 10:56 PM |
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i doubt it, but it does save your face. that's why you showed up now instead of earlier. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:02 PM |
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nah... it was because I was driving home from work. |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 11:03 PM |
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sorry |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:18 PM |
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whatever you say. nice job ya got. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:21 PM |
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you are a strange bird |
Egnever |
May-14-10 01:04 AM |
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you're a strange bird too. if you don't get it, i'm not obliged to explain to someone whose |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 02:00 AM |
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Personal attack? WTF? I just asked for a source for a claim. |
taught_me_patience |
May-14-10 02:10 AM |
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are you egnever's sock? because i posted to him, not to you. |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 03:12 AM |
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dupe |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 02:00 AM |
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services!! |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:08 PM |
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So if wall street disappeared |
Egnever |
May-14-10 01:17 AM |
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yes, it would be in someone else's pockets |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 12:10 PM |
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Sorry but no |
Egnever |
May-13-10 10:30 PM |
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sorry but yes. "40% of all corporate profits went to wall street" means the same thing as |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 10:53 PM |
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Which is totaly different from wall street taking profits from corporations. |
Egnever |
May-14-10 12:53 AM |
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oh, give it up. i'm not confusing a damn thing, & you know it. |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 02:03 AM |
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yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 12:29 PM |
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nyt, in yellow |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 08:47 PM |
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Honestly... your anger should be directed at the U.S. government |
taught_me_patience |
May-13-10 11:11 PM |
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by that logic... |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:16 PM |
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You keep parroting this, and its completely untrue |
Egnever |
May-13-10 10:26 PM |
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you have a reading comprehension problem. "take" = "get," "make," earn, whatever. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 10:59 PM |
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I can accept "take" or "get", but "earn" is stretching it. |
Prometheus Bound |
May-14-10 12:08 AM |
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So you just begrudge a company making a profit then. |
Egnever |
May-14-10 01:22 AM |
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so you like straw. yum yum |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 02:01 AM |
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As much as you like spewing BS |
Egnever |
May-14-10 02:28 AM |
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not worth it, bit T |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 03:13 AM |
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ROFL!! |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:13 PM |
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We must have a communication issue here |
Egnever |
May-14-10 01:21 AM |
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when someone says "you seem to be saying" what follows is typically a misrepresentation |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 02:02 AM |
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So what are you saying? |
Egnever |
May-14-10 02:29 AM |
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that is in your imagination |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 12:25 PM |
#110 |
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reform it |
MkapX |
May-13-10 07:47 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
May-13-10 08:13 PM |
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Wall Street is no longer about investing, it is about amoral hacking |
eridani |
May-13-10 09:09 PM |
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What do you mean by 'WALL STREET"? |
Synicus Maximus |
May-13-10 09:20 PM |
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Wall Street |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 10:26 PM |
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and my greatest fear.... |
unkachuck |
May-13-10 09:35 PM |
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This guy clearly does not understand what the markets do. |
Egnever |
May-13-10 10:19 PM |
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well, we are all ears |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 10:26 PM |
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They provide operating capital for businesses that go public |
Egnever |
May-13-10 10:45 PM |
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ok |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:17 PM |
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40% |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:22 PM |
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did you learn that in your econ 101 class? |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:29 PM |
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times have changed |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:37 PM |
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obviously under any plausible modern system financial markets are necessary |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-10 05:56 AM |
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creating jobs |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 12:47 PM |
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there has never in the entire history of the world been one single case in the entire history of the |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-10 02:32 PM |
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social democracy works : if it works so well, why is it being cut back across the globe as we speak? |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 02:41 PM |
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well visit Europe and you will see that social democracy is still far, far from dead |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-10 08:26 PM |
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I LIVED IN EUROPE FOR 1 YEAR. You might catch up on the news, |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 10:46 PM |
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that has been the rule |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 05:50 PM |
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if you think most of human history |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-10 08:33 PM |
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really? |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 09:35 PM |
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most of European history has been just as brutal and just as savage - if not more so |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-10 09:58 PM |
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not open to that then? |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 10:01 PM |
#127 |
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Please educate - they play a major role in economic growth |
taught_me_patience |
May-14-10 02:05 AM |
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as I said |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:05 PM |
#119 |
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40% of all corporate profits. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:22 PM |
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yeah, but |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:29 PM |
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god, how could i not have understood. it is to weep, how misguided i've been. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 11:31 PM |
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Someone had to say it |
varelse |
May-13-10 10:33 PM |
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Evidently they are afraid we will figure this out, too. |
Starry Messenger |
May-13-10 10:52 PM |
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When pathological gamblers win big, watch out: |
azul |
May-13-10 11:19 PM |
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k and r |
William Z. Foster |
May-13-10 11:20 PM |
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agreed k/r -N/T- |
deacon_sephiroth |
May-14-10 12:13 AM |
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If you don't like Wall Street, fine, then just don't complain about employment figures. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-14-10 02:07 AM |
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Wall Street is about cheap labor. Wall Street closes a plant employing Americans and making an 8% |
pundaint |
May-14-10 02:27 AM |
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+1000. it can't be pointed out too often. not only do they screw you every ten |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 03:40 AM |
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so obviously false |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 12:48 PM |
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LOL. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-14-10 06:12 PM |
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millions were laid off... |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 08:33 PM |
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still thinking, I guess |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 12:28 PM |
#129 |
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Not really. It was so ridiculous, I thought it was rhetorical. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-15-10 03:13 PM |
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It's not often said, but I think it's true. I think "the market" should be done away with (nt) |
harmonicon |
May-14-10 03:37 AM |
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How about we do real reform. |
Enthusiast |
May-14-10 07:24 AM |
#107 |
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too much human misery |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 12:50 PM |
#114 |
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If you look at straight investments |
Turbineguy |
May-14-10 08:00 AM |
#108 |
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What we NEED is tighter REGULATION and actual JAILTIME for financial |
Rex |
May-14-10 05:57 PM |
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Excellent!!!! nt |
jxnmsdemguy65 |
May-14-10 09:52 PM |
#125 |
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Wall Street has raped the workers of America for decades. Enough is enough! |
earth mom |
May-15-10 03:14 PM |
#131 |
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