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Mon May-10-10 11:51 PM
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| 4. Don Siegelman is long since forgotten, now that |
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his jailers are on our team.
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| -Why should DUers back Kagan? After reading these posts, I am sad beyond belief |
Elwood P Dowd |
May-10-10 11:30 PM |
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The case for an extremely intelligent woman, not to mention a |
saltpoint |
May-10-10 11:37 PM |
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I might have been born at night, but |
Elwood P Dowd |
May-10-10 11:41 PM |
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Had you been, Elwood, I would have strongly praised your |
saltpoint |
May-10-10 11:56 PM |
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why not liz cheney? or phyllis schlafly? if being female is the most important thing? |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:06 AM |
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Gosh, Hannah. You sure do use naughty words a lot. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:09 AM |
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you're the one who likes fucking kagan because she's a woman. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:11 AM |
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I'm just blushing up a storm over here, Hannah. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:12 AM |
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i have a problem with people who think sex, race or religion is the most salient |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:15 AM |
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It's one factor and an important one. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:17 AM |
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it's not a damn bit important. it's a myth that tenure makes SC justices "unbeholden," sorry. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:20 AM |
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I don't think Poppy would agree with you. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:22 AM |
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lol. souter's "turn to the left" = nothing of the sort. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:25 AM |
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If you weigh out the 5-4 votes of recent years, you'll find Souter |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:29 AM |
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the facts are clear; there are no liberals on the court. there are only the fascists (scalia) |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:37 AM |
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Whoops. Sorry, Hannah. We disagree entirely. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:41 AM |
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I don't need to "cool down," as I'm neither hot nor angry, though you apparently try |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:46 AM |
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I'll stand by the point. If you can name a Leftist president, I'll apologize. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:47 AM |
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May-11-10 12:48 AM |
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that is not the issue |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 01:12 AM |
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Whoops -- I said nothing of the sort about pressuring the Party or |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:21 AM |
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dissent |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 04:46 PM |
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Perfectly said. |
lillypaddle |
May-11-10 02:39 PM |
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Every step forward taken by this nation, including its very formation, came from "the left". |
Greyhound |
May-11-10 02:52 PM |
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I agree with you, which is why I vote the way I do for some decades, Greyhound. |
saltpoint |
May-12-10 09:02 AM |
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But your position seems to be based on the false premise that that is how |
Greyhound |
May-12-10 01:41 PM |
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Incorrect on my "position." I don't have a position insofar as a mechanism, |
saltpoint |
May-12-10 09:00 PM |
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Understood. I'm not sold either way on her, and it is too early for judgment, |
Greyhound |
May-13-10 12:24 PM |
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don't listen to this creature, Hannah Bell. |
branders seine |
May-11-10 09:23 AM |
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I'm a real democrat |
lillypaddle |
May-11-10 02:41 PM |
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I didn't tell you anything at all. |
branders seine |
May-11-10 02:53 PM |
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Well, you said to Hannah Belle |
lillypaddle |
May-11-10 03:10 PM |
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tell *her* that. |
branders seine |
May-11-10 03:17 PM |
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well, sheesh |
lillypaddle |
May-11-10 06:32 PM |
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Democrat has nothing to do with left/right. For the overwhelming majority of its history, |
Greyhound |
May-11-10 02:55 PM |
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you could be right |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 04:51 PM |
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ya never can tell |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:38 AM |
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That's for your separate thread. I think the real drama in High Court's |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:43 AM |
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+100 |
Jefferson23 |
May-12-10 09:42 PM |
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let's hear them |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:15 AM |
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I don't jump through your hoops, dude. You could google it for all |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:19 AM |
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your blah blah doesn't make a case for kagan. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:21 AM |
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The case for Kagan is on-line in various sources including this site, |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:23 AM |
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summers protegee. world bank. meteoric rise. all i need to know. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:24 AM |
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It's also apparently all you DO know. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:28 AM |
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i don't give a damn about planned parenthood's rec. abortion is effectively |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:32 AM |
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The people Planned Parenthood have genuinely and effectively assisted |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:44 AM |
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May-11-10 12:48 AM |
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So evidently you can't name any. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:51 AM |
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May-11-10 12:53 AM |
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I do say so. Thanks. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:58 AM |
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yes mr T. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 09:19 PM |
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Y'Know |
Tsiyu |
May-11-10 06:35 PM |
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yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:28 AM |
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You're free to investigate whatever you please. No one's stopping you. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:38 AM |
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you sure have wasted a lot of time saying nothing of substance, though. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:43 AM |
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To me, she is entirely qualified and the case for her as the next SCOTUS |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:47 AM |
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May-11-10 12:49 AM |
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ok |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:54 AM |
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huh? |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:23 AM |
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boy comrade bell, the kagan pick sure has you in a teeth grinding mode! |
dionysus |
May-12-10 01:47 PM |
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you betcha |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:12 AM |
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You definitely need a new news source. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:14 AM |
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did you really miss what I said? |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:20 AM |
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Again, if you want to play hula hoops, go outside. I don't do your hoops. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:25 AM |
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I haven't argued anything |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:32 AM |
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very weak. she's smart. she's a woman. obama picked her. that's all i need. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:35 AM |
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If that's all you need, it's not much to run on, and it won't win you |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:49 AM |
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May-11-10 12:50 AM |
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If you are interested in a dialogue, Hannah, I'm still up and the candle |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:53 AM |
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May-11-10 12:54 AM |
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You are not interested in dialog, this much is clear to all who read this thread |
Moochy |
May-12-10 09:23 AM |
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Yep. You'll have to settle for me. |
saltpoint |
May-12-10 09:03 PM |
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he's not pouting, & has expressed no anger. hmm, why would you say he has? |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:34 AM |
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missed that |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:36 AM |
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not only pouting, but "pouting through your anger" - now there's a trick. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:41 AM |
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typically dishonsest debate tactics from The Blind Booster Crew |
Moochy |
May-11-10 09:33 AM |
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May-11-10 10:27 PM |
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ABSOLUTELY! |
havocmom |
May-11-10 09:20 AM |
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thanks for that. you seem to be one of only a few who agree on that point. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 10:32 PM |
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oh, say Condi Rice for example |
havocmom |
May-11-10 11:11 PM |
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! |
Starbucks Anarchist |
May-11-10 12:49 AM |
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sure |
William Z. Foster |
May-10-10 11:53 PM |
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According to news sources, Condi was not nominated. |
saltpoint |
May-10-10 11:57 PM |
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lol |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:10 AM |
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As it happens, the President does in fact select SCOTUS nominees. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:11 AM |
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with the advice & consent of his -- ahem -- backers & funders. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:13 AM |
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Don't disenfranchise yourself. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:16 AM |
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his advisors & backers have made their choice, you mean. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:17 AM |
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No, it is not what I meant and it isn't what I typed. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:20 AM |
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so what? it's a lousy choice. it's the choice of international finance capital. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 12:23 AM |
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Well it sounds like you're living a doomsday scenario. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:56 AM |
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May-11-10 12:57 AM |
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Yet the Kagan nomination is what has you in particular off the tracks. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:00 AM |
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May-11-10 01:09 AM |
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So do Bonnie Raitt and Nina Simone recordings, both of which |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:24 AM |
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May-11-10 01:44 AM |
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I like all of her albums. Late. Early. All of it. The first two especially, |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:52 AM |
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interesting how most of my comments got deleted, including this totally innocuous one |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 07:31 PM |
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You've stumbled onto |
Moochy |
May-12-10 09:15 AM |
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May-11-10 12:35 AM |
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If it were pathetic I don't think Obama would be on the verge of |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:55 AM |
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not talking about Obama or Kagan |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:58 AM |
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Both of which stand unless there's some counterpoint which eclipses |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:01 AM |
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sure |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 01:04 AM |
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Pittsburgh is a great town. I hope we can agree on that. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:07 AM |
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I want to destroy the right wing |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 01:15 AM |
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That's not reversible and needs to be, WZF. There is what other |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:26 AM |
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I give |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 01:36 AM |
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May-11-10 01:43 AM |
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sure is. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 07:33 PM |
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The more Im reading on Elena Kagan, |
ultracase24 |
May-11-10 12:14 AM |
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Kagan's ideological disposition is less formed than other potential |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 12:58 AM |
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true for Clarence Thomas as well |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 12:59 AM |
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Agree, not that it's news. The application holds for ALL Justices. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:03 AM |
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Goldman Sachs advisor during the bankster meltdown. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 01:03 AM |
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Not disqualifying. Not even illegal. |
saltpoint |
May-11-10 01:05 AM |
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rigged processes usually do. prevail, i mean. |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 01:20 AM |
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This alone should disqualify her. |
gmoney |
May-11-10 09:35 AM |
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a lot is not known about her except she is a Washington insider |
ultracase24 |
May-11-10 01:09 AM |
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Triangulating |
depakid |
May-10-10 11:40 PM |
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Don Siegelman is long since forgotten, now that |
QC |
May-10-10 11:51 PM |
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May-11-10 12:36 AM |
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Yes, everything changed and yet nothing changed? |
QC |
May-11-10 12:59 AM |
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not yet ..but we have had bad bad air to breathe..now winds have taken the stink away..for now |
flyarm |
May-11-10 01:14 AM |
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With you on the coast, and with you in your anger towards the corporations & their apologists |
rudy23 |
May-11-10 10:52 AM |
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I have not forgotten.. . . n/t |
annabanana |
May-11-10 09:16 PM |
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Her job as Soliciter General is to represent the position of the US Governement |
housewolf |
May-10-10 11:52 PM |
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True, but then how do we know her personal views? |
SlipperySlope |
May-11-10 12:01 AM |
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here's one clue: |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 04:53 AM |
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Personal views are soft information, nobody can know them for certain except the person who has them |
Hippo_Tron |
May-11-10 02:48 PM |
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Good point. However it is a sad reminder the Obama is carrying forward |
avaistheone1 |
May-11-10 12:35 AM |
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May-11-10 12:39 AM |
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Never read Strauss. Is there a particular work of his where this happens? |
avaistheone1 |
May-11-10 12:44 AM |
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it used to be on all the Project of the New American Century stuff.. |
flyarm |
May-11-10 01:24 AM |
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that could be said of every Republican |
William Z. Foster |
May-11-10 01:02 AM |
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Yup, people quoting her cases as SG (both positive and negative) keep forgetting that. |
Jennicut |
May-11-10 03:01 PM |
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Obama will protect the Bush crew at all costs |
MannyGoldstein |
May-10-10 11:54 PM |
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Someone is keeping a seat warm for him at the Carlyle table. nt |
Lorien |
May-11-10 01:01 AM |
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But today Sean Hannity told me that she's a radical liberal. |
progressoid |
May-11-10 12:03 AM |
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no, she's TRIANGULATED |
JCMach1 |
May-11-10 12:05 AM |
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It's called "gaming the ref" |
glitch |
May-11-10 09:15 AM |
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And Savage Weiner says she's a "red diaper doper baby" |
gmoney |
May-11-10 09:37 AM |
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This DUer doesn't. |
TexasObserver |
May-11-10 12:49 AM |
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As Solicitor General, her job is to argue for Obama's policy. So your disagreement |
pnwmom |
May-11-10 03:40 AM |
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actually, in her comments to graham during the vetting, she agreed with |
Hannah Bell |
May-11-10 06:19 AM |
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What does that have to do with the Siegelman case, the topic of the OP? |
pnwmom |
May-11-10 02:20 PM |
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There has not been a REAL LIBERAL appointed since Marshall |
old mark |
May-11-10 03:53 AM |
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John Marshall.... n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
May-11-10 06:58 AM |
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Bottom line, they shouldn't |
mmonk |
May-11-10 04:59 AM |
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I wish that I could rec this more than once. |
tnlefty |
May-11-10 09:11 AM |
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DUers are a monolithic bloc? Still, DUers don't have to back Kagan |
ProSense |
May-11-10 09:29 AM |
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Because at the end of the day she will probably vote with Breyer, Ginsburg, and Sotomayor |
Hippo_Tron |
May-11-10 02:55 PM |
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We are supposed to back her because the president said to. |
QC |
May-11-10 05:08 PM |
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She is the best this Administration would allow. She is too conservative for me but |
saracat |
May-11-10 06:28 PM |
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Kagan is no Justice Stevens, she signs briefs arguing for unitary executive power re Gitmo, etc. n/ |
2 Much Tribulation |
May-11-10 08:53 PM |
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Obama and the "Centrist" Democratic Party Leadership WILL be successful... |
bvar22 |
May-11-10 09:14 PM |
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I don't. nt |
LWolf |
May-11-10 09:15 PM |
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I still say she's a witch |
jpak |
May-11-10 10:35 PM |
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