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Tue May-11-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 131. I think Reaganism pretty much killed idealism too |
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Edited on Tue May-11-10 07:08 PM by Douglas Carpenter
The 60's and the 70's were not a perfect era by any means, but it was an age when most people still believed that the world could and would be made a better place in the future than it was in the past. It was still an age when academia was truly filled with uninhibited free thinking and all ideas - no matter how mainstream or how far out - were open to debate. Reaganism truly represented the closing of the American mind and the hardening of the American heart. The new ethic to replace idealism and free thinking was a ethic that embraced "Pragmatism" - Pragmatism as defined as that which grants a rapid albeit short term and significant return on investment - with no regard for social consequences. Fast money was the new definition of being sensible and pragmatic.
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| -The Demonization of “Big Government” and the Myth of the Greatness of Ronald Reagan |
Time for change |
May-08-10 11:47 PM |
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I grew up listening to how horrible Reagan was from my parents and their friends. |
FarLeftFist |
May-08-10 11:54 PM |
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30 years of the 'republican revolution' has shown us that... |
FarLeftFist |
May-08-10 11:55 PM |
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I grew up listening to how horrible Reagan was from my parents and their friends. |
FarLeftFist |
May-08-10 11:56 PM |
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Spot-On, Sir! |
The Magistrate |
May-09-10 12:20 AM |
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Kick |
Ardent15 |
May-09-10 12:32 AM |
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Reagan was definitely one of the worst presidents in American history. Worse than W. Bush IMO (eom) |
StevieM |
May-09-10 12:41 AM |
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junior #1, gipper #2, poppy #3 for continuing the gipper's voodoo economics |
indepat |
May-09-10 02:09 PM |
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I agree |
diane in sf |
May-09-10 05:08 PM |
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And don't forget.... Poppy also for |
Time for change |
May-09-10 07:09 PM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
May-09-10 12:53 AM |
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K + R |
patrice |
May-09-10 12:59 AM |
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K/R |
moondust |
May-09-10 01:09 AM |
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Ronald Reagan was the Devil. nt |
Chisox08 |
May-09-10 01:26 AM |
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K&R |
Kitty Herder |
May-09-10 01:28 AM |
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Well done, I'm saving this. |
Lasher |
May-09-10 01:53 AM |
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When I first saw an "official" poll that ranked him in the top 10 I was very surprised and dismayed |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:18 PM |
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If you hit the link I furnished you might have noticed that Junior is not faring well. |
Lasher |
May-10-10 01:51 AM |
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Reagan Did So Much Damage To the Physical Sturucture and Mentality of the Nation |
Demeter |
May-09-10 02:38 AM |
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The bottom line is that there has been a consistent and concerted effort by a very powerful minority |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:21 PM |
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excellent post!! I believe the greatest harm Reagan did was moral |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-09-10 02:56 AM |
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Agree. It was in basic morality that Reagan....................... |
socialist_n_TN |
May-09-10 10:23 AM |
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Amen. There's that word, "moral" again |
RufusTFirefly |
May-09-10 03:03 PM |
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I'mm with you there. I guess it's easy for some people to believe that selfishness is a virtue |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:25 PM |
#70 |
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I think Reaganism pretty much killed idealism too |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-11-10 07:06 PM |
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this needs to be kicked and recommended to the front page!! |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-09-10 03:00 AM |
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Excellent. Thank you. |
Scuba |
May-09-10 03:38 AM |
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This was my response 2 days ago to a fellow New Mexico DUer about the Democratic leadership |
abq e streeter |
May-09-10 04:11 AM |
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Excellent response |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:28 PM |
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thanks--wonder if you saw reply # 22 |
abq e streeter |
May-09-10 05:57 PM |
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I had many of the same thoughts |
Time for change |
May-09-10 07:39 PM |
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Well done synapses in one page k/r n/t |
Ichingcarpenter |
May-09-10 04:21 AM |
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How do we defeat a myth? |
Dr Morbius |
May-09-10 04:48 AM |
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That's what I was thinking |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:30 PM |
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"Where government does not exist, it manifests spontaneously" |
Canuckistanian |
May-09-10 08:20 PM |
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Help yourself. |
Dr Morbius |
May-10-10 12:41 AM |
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K & R |
Raksha |
May-09-10 05:00 AM |
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What makes the myth totally surreal is that they themselves transformed |
Joe Chi Minh |
May-09-10 06:31 AM |
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Obama's praise of Reagan... |
olegramps |
May-09-10 06:51 AM |
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It has become politically toxic to critize this mouthpiece for the billionaires.. .n/t |
annabanana |
May-09-10 11:52 AM |
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a reluctant +1 |
abq e streeter |
May-09-10 01:18 PM |
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Reagan's education study- A Nation at Risk |
ipaint |
May-09-10 07:03 AM |
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Very well said |
Lesleymo |
May-09-10 07:05 AM |
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The anti education president fostered |
The Wizard |
May-09-10 07:07 AM |
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Nice post! And spot on. nt |
Enthusiast |
May-09-10 08:41 AM |
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I cannot think of anything worse than to go out drinking with Dubya |
dsn |
May-09-10 11:56 AM |
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W is the kind of guy |
The Wizard |
May-10-10 08:22 AM |
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K/R |
Echo In Light |
May-09-10 07:31 AM |
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This is excellent! |
Enthusiast |
May-09-10 08:34 AM |
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K&R |
ck4829 |
May-09-10 08:42 AM |
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K and R. Well put. |
political_Dem |
May-09-10 08:52 AM |
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Brilliant post |
malaise |
May-09-10 08:56 AM |
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kick |
arcadian |
May-09-10 08:57 AM |
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K&R-ed and bookmarked! |
tilsammans |
May-09-10 09:01 AM |
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Are we doomed to whipsaw back and forth between oppressive government regulation on one hand |
hansberrym |
May-09-10 09:39 AM |
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I certainly do NOT see this as all or nothing |
Time for change |
May-09-10 12:03 PM |
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You ask -But why should government's role be limited to that of referee? |
hansberrym |
May-10-10 12:22 AM |
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"No man should be the judge of his own cause" |
Time for change |
May-12-10 08:45 AM |
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You're reading of the constitution is ridiculous. |
dotymed |
May-09-10 12:45 PM |
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Reagan Was No Saint |
bluestateboomer |
May-09-10 09:59 AM |
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He was the filthiest piece of shit to ever set foot in the White House |
ThomWV |
May-09-10 10:07 AM |
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couldn't agree more...few people in all of history have done more to thwart the path of progress |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-09-10 10:18 AM |
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This is probably the ONLY way to........................ |
socialist_n_TN |
May-09-10 10:29 AM |
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I see the solar panels as a grand historical metaphor. |
moondust |
May-09-10 01:20 PM |
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One of your best posts ever, TFC! |
CrispyQ |
May-09-10 10:16 AM |
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K&R. Glad to see this review of his true legacy. |
Overseas |
May-09-10 10:32 AM |
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Very well explained. Thank you |
laughingliberal |
May-09-10 12:12 PM |
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Excellent point about how the Democratic Party turned away from the values that Perot represented |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:42 PM |
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Don't forget the Salvadoran Baby Skulls! |
LongTomH |
May-09-10 10:47 AM |
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Let's not forget *all* American presidents have supported murderous dictatorships in Latin-America.. |
DutchLiberal |
May-09-10 07:06 PM |
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k&r Reagan elevated the super wealthy to new heights |
avaistheone1 |
May-09-10 10:55 AM |
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"So how did one of the worst presidents in our history... |
The_Commonist |
May-09-10 11:08 AM |
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That is a big part of it -- the upside-down people |
Time for change |
May-09-10 04:47 PM |
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Of course. Corporatia LOVES the Upside-Down People. |
The_Commonist |
May-10-10 10:56 AM |
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K and R |
Mosby |
May-09-10 11:48 AM |
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I think Al Gore eloquently addresses the demonization of government in The Assault on Reason. nt |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
May-09-10 11:57 AM |
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A real must-read. I tell people to read it and they roll their eyes. |
Dr Morbius |
May-09-10 05:06 PM |
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To be blunt... |
rasputin1952 |
May-09-10 12:00 PM |
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Yeah, but the Democrats have become the new Republicans... |
DutchLiberal |
May-09-10 07:10 PM |
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You may see it that way... |
rasputin1952 |
May-09-10 07:11 PM |
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It's not a matter of opinion, but a matter of facts. |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 08:22 AM |
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You do realize that there was a 180 between the parties... |
rasputin1952 |
May-11-10 10:02 AM |
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But you don't have "someone place in the middle" in the White House now... |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 06:51 PM |
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No, bush was a RW corporatist... |
rasputin1952 |
May-11-10 08:54 PM |
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Bush was a facist. No wonder Obama looks 'pragmatic' compared to Bush... |
DutchLiberal |
May-12-10 06:08 PM |
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Remember when |
dotymed |
May-09-10 12:22 PM |
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The Raygun Legacy: Bullshit wrapped in an American flag. |
Raster |
May-09-10 12:50 PM |
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K&R-bookmarking for later full read |
underpants |
May-09-10 01:03 PM |
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I spent from 5th grade to college arguing about the evil raygun was |
mdmc |
May-09-10 01:21 PM |
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One of your best and most important ever, TFC. |
abq e streeter |
May-09-10 01:27 PM |
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Reagan "transcended the heated arguments of the day" |
EFerrari |
May-09-10 01:37 PM |
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Central truth |
droidamus2 |
May-09-10 02:01 PM |
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It is a testament to American stupidity... |
moonbatmax |
May-09-10 02:13 PM |
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Government in service to the moneyed interests is what is bad. Not government by and for the people. |
Kablooie |
May-09-10 03:09 PM |
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Democracy is coming to the USA! And this is going up on my news page! |
earcandle |
May-09-10 04:01 PM |
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Superb! |
G_j |
May-09-10 04:04 PM |
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Thank you -- He certainly did have a mean streak |
Time for change |
May-09-10 09:53 PM |
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Outstanding! This is one of your best. |
Uncle Joe |
May-09-10 04:49 PM |
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Thank you Uncle Joe |
Time for change |
May-09-10 07:25 PM |
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9 Words...."I'm Ronnie and I'm here to destroy your Country" |
BlueJazz |
May-09-10 05:02 PM |
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perfect |
abq e streeter |
May-09-10 06:00 PM |
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Hi: Glad to meet you. :) |
BlueJazz |
May-09-10 08:37 PM |
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Well Done Sir ! |
OverBurn |
May-09-10 05:27 PM |
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Thank you for this excellent commentary. |
DuckBurp |
May-09-10 06:23 PM |
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I love to hear stories about people who are capable of rethinking their positions in the light |
Time for change |
May-09-10 09:06 PM |
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I'm afraid the US will never recover from the damage Reagan and Bush inflicted on the country... |
DutchLiberal |
May-09-10 06:29 PM |
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Thank you -- Recovery from things like this tend to take a very long time |
Time for change |
May-09-10 07:56 PM |
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Carter was inconsistent when it came to human rights... |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 08:48 AM |
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Carter's actions that you describe here |
Time for change |
May-11-10 12:34 PM |
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I think you're right that he was under pressure... |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 06:55 PM |
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I sure do -- and I don't think of it as a joke |
Time for change |
May-12-10 08:18 AM |
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And his vice-president did everything he could to bury any evidence... |
DutchLiberal |
May-12-10 06:16 PM |
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K, R & B |
Seneca |
May-09-10 06:40 PM |
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The government only stops being "good" when it no longer serves the interest of it's |
Lorien |
May-09-10 07:10 PM |
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Well, this should brighten your day... |
Jester Messiah |
May-09-10 07:44 PM |
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Philadelphia, Mississippi |
troubledamerican |
May-09-10 07:52 PM |
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the lottery number in Baltimore the day Reagan was elected the first time |
wial |
May-09-10 07:55 PM |
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George HW Bush was the man behind Reagan and Junior! |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 08:51 AM |
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If government is SOOO bad then why do they always want to run it? |
unlegendary |
May-09-10 07:58 PM |
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Yes, I left out a lot -- One could fill a lot of pages talking about all the terrible things that |
Time for change |
May-09-10 08:06 PM |
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Ronald Reagan was a union-busting turd... |
jxnmsdemguy65 |
May-09-10 08:17 PM |
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The presidency of Ronald Reagan ushered in the era of privatization and deregulation. |
AlbertCat |
May-09-10 08:31 PM |
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That reminds me of an argument I had with a Republican -- over dinner |
Time for change |
May-09-10 09:01 PM |
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It's called cognitive dissonance. |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 08:53 AM |
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K&R... |
elzenmahn |
May-09-10 08:34 PM |
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All reagan did in a nutshell was stop investing in schools and started investing in prisons. |
craigmatic |
May-09-10 09:11 PM |
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I only wish I could K&R this 1000 times |
liberal N proud |
May-09-10 09:42 PM |
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This is an extremely important article - I just wish people were not afraid to discuss it |
Poiuyt |
May-09-10 09:53 PM |
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I've heard Keith Olbermann call Reagan "a lousy president". |
DutchLiberal |
May-11-10 08:56 AM |
#126 |
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Don't forget raygun's trip to Bitburg, Germany. That's when he laid a wreath on a nazi grave. |
muntrv |
May-09-10 10:00 PM |
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another kick - because it is so important |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-09-10 10:36 PM |
#110 |
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Thanks for another great post. rec. nm |
rhett o rick |
May-09-10 11:23 PM |
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I'll add another kick for a enlightening post. N/T |
GrannyK |
May-10-10 12:54 AM |
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Precisely |
Sherman A1 |
May-10-10 02:33 AM |
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Now that is some writing that gets it. |
harun |
May-10-10 08:47 AM |
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one last kick - for the truth about Ronald Reagan |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-10-10 01:48 PM |
#120 |
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Cutting Non-Defense Government spending |
humbled_opinion |
May-10-10 07:59 PM |
#121 |
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