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17. This was my response 2 days ago to a fellow New Mexico DUer about the Democratic leadership
Edited on Sun May-09-10 04:11 AM by abq e streeter
and their complicity in the "Reagan myth": We ( our party's upper echelon) have for the most part been cowardly in standing up to and challenging the Reagan myth and thus assisted in its taking hold of the "conventional wisdom"....Below was my reply to Cybergata: not particularly deeply insightful nor eloquently stated , but I think it's unfortunately accurate.

Fri May-07-10 03:45 PM
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101. The failure/refusal of the "leadership" of our party to challenge and debunk the Reagan myth

has made them enablers if not co-conspirators in the crimes against humanity that the republican party has committed for the last thirty years. How are large numbers of people going to stop "lauding" him when the "opposition " party assists in perpetuating the lie of who he was and what he really did ( well, not him so much, but the people he was acting as a frontman for). Do you remember the Albq.Journal front page when he died ? It still makes me just about barf just picturing it: an oversize picture with just two also oversize words : "Graceful and gallant". How are the mass of people going to figure out it's all a lie when even the current Democratic president continues to say nice things about him?
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  -The Demonization of Big Government and the Myth of the Greatness of Ronald Reagan Time for change  May-08-10 11:47 PM   #0 
  - I grew up listening to how horrible Reagan was from my parents and their friends.  FarLeftFist   May-08-10 11:54 PM   #1 
  - 30 years of the 'republican revolution' has shown us that...  FarLeftFist   May-08-10 11:55 PM   #2 
  - I grew up listening to how horrible Reagan was from my parents and their friends.  FarLeftFist   May-08-10 11:56 PM   #3 
  - Spot-On, Sir!  The Magistrate   May-09-10 12:20 AM   #4 
  - Kick  Ardent15   May-09-10 12:32 AM   #5 
  - Reagan was definitely one of the worst presidents in American history. Worse than W. Bush IMO (eom)  StevieM   May-09-10 12:41 AM   #6 
  - junior #1, gipper #2, poppy #3 for continuing the gipper's voodoo economics  indepat   May-09-10 02:09 PM   #62 
     - I agree  diane in sf   May-09-10 05:08 PM   #78 
     - And don't forget.... Poppy also for  Time for change   May-09-10 07:09 PM   #86 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   May-09-10 12:53 AM   #7 
  - K + R  patrice   May-09-10 12:59 AM   #8 
  - K/R  moondust   May-09-10 01:09 AM   #9 
  - Ronald Reagan was the Devil. nt  Chisox08   May-09-10 01:26 AM   #10 
  - K&R  Kitty Herder   May-09-10 01:28 AM   #11 
  - Well done, I'm saving this.  Lasher   May-09-10 01:53 AM   #12 
  - When I first saw an "official" poll that ranked him in the top 10 I was very surprised and dismayed  Time for change   May-09-10 04:18 PM   #68 
     - If you hit the link I furnished you might have noticed that Junior is not faring well.  Lasher   May-10-10 01:51 AM   #115 
  - Reagan Did So Much Damage To the Physical Sturucture and Mentality of the Nation  Demeter   May-09-10 02:38 AM   #13 
  - The bottom line is that there has been a consistent and concerted effort by a very powerful minority  Time for change   May-09-10 04:21 PM   #69 
  - excellent post!! I believe the greatest harm Reagan did was moral  Douglas Carpenter   May-09-10 02:56 AM   #14 
  - Agree. It was in basic morality that Reagan.......................  socialist_n_TN   May-09-10 10:23 AM   #39 
  - Amen. There's that word, "moral" again  RufusTFirefly   May-09-10 03:03 PM   #64 
  - I'mm with you there. I guess it's easy for some people to believe that selfishness is a virtue  Time for change   May-09-10 04:25 PM   #70 
     - I think Reaganism pretty much killed idealism too  Douglas Carpenter   May-11-10 07:06 PM   #131 
  - this needs to be kicked and recommended to the front page!!  Douglas Carpenter   May-09-10 03:00 AM   #15 
  - Excellent. Thank you.  Scuba   May-09-10 03:38 AM   #16 
  - This was my response 2 days ago to a fellow New Mexico DUer about the Democratic leadership  abq e streeter   May-09-10 04:11 AM   #17 
  - Excellent response  Time for change   May-09-10 04:28 PM   #71 
     - thanks--wonder if you saw reply # 22  abq e streeter   May-09-10 05:57 PM   #80 
        - I had many of the same thoughts  Time for change   May-09-10 07:39 PM   #91 
  - Well done synapses in one page k/r n/t  Ichingcarpenter   May-09-10 04:21 AM   #18 
  - How do we defeat a myth?  Dr Morbius   May-09-10 04:48 AM   #19 
  - That's what I was thinking  Time for change   May-09-10 04:30 PM   #72 
  - "Where government does not exist, it manifests spontaneously"  Canuckistanian   May-09-10 08:20 PM   #99 
     - Help yourself.  Dr Morbius   May-10-10 12:41 AM   #113 
  - K & R  Raksha   May-09-10 05:00 AM   #20 
  - What makes the myth totally surreal is that they themselves transformed  Joe Chi Minh   May-09-10 06:31 AM   #21 
  - Obama's praise of Reagan...  olegramps   May-09-10 06:51 AM   #22 
  - It has become politically toxic to critize this mouthpiece for the billionaires.. .n/t  annabanana   May-09-10 11:52 AM   #46 
  - a reluctant +1  abq e streeter   May-09-10 01:18 PM   #56 
  - Reagan's education study- A Nation at Risk  ipaint   May-09-10 07:03 AM   #23 
  - Very well said  Lesleymo   May-09-10 07:05 AM   #24 
  - The anti education president fostered  The Wizard   May-09-10 07:07 AM   #25 
  - Nice post! And spot on. nt  Enthusiast   May-09-10 08:41 AM   #28 
  - I cannot think of anything worse than to go out drinking with Dubya  dsn   May-09-10 11:56 AM   #47 
     - W is the kind of guy  The Wizard   May-10-10 08:22 AM   #117 
  - K/R  Echo In Light   May-09-10 07:31 AM   #26 
  - This is excellent!  Enthusiast   May-09-10 08:34 AM   #27 
  - K&R  ck4829   May-09-10 08:42 AM   #29 
  - K and R. Well put.  political_Dem   May-09-10 08:52 AM   #30 
  - Brilliant post  malaise   May-09-10 08:56 AM   #31 
  - kick  arcadian   May-09-10 08:57 AM   #32 
  - K&R-ed and bookmarked!  tilsammans   May-09-10 09:01 AM   #33 
  - Are we doomed to whipsaw back and forth between oppressive government regulation on one hand  hansberrym   May-09-10 09:39 AM   #34 
  - I certainly do NOT see this as all or nothing  Time for change   May-09-10 12:03 PM   #50 
  - You ask -But why should government's role be limited to that of referee?  hansberrym   May-10-10 12:22 AM   #112 
     - "No man should be the judge of his own cause"  Time for change   May-12-10 08:45 AM   #134 
  - You're reading of the constitution is ridiculous.  dotymed   May-09-10 12:45 PM   #53 
  - Reagan Was No Saint  bluestateboomer   May-09-10 09:59 AM   #35 
  - He was the filthiest piece of shit to ever set foot in the White House  ThomWV   May-09-10 10:07 AM   #36 
     - couldn't agree more...few people in all of history have done more to thwart the path of progress  Douglas Carpenter   May-09-10 10:18 AM   #38 
        - This is probably the ONLY way to........................  socialist_n_TN   May-09-10 10:29 AM   #40 
        - I see the solar panels as a grand historical metaphor.  moondust   May-09-10 01:20 PM   #57 
  - One of your best posts ever, TFC!  CrispyQ   May-09-10 10:16 AM   #37 
  - K&R. Glad to see this review of his true legacy.  Overseas   May-09-10 10:32 AM   #41 
  - Very well explained. Thank you  laughingliberal   May-09-10 12:12 PM   #51 
  - Excellent point about how the Democratic Party turned away from the values that Perot represented  Time for change   May-09-10 04:42 PM   #73 
  - Don't forget the Salvadoran Baby Skulls!  LongTomH   May-09-10 10:47 AM   #42 
  - Let's not forget *all* American presidents have supported murderous dictatorships in Latin-America..  DutchLiberal   May-09-10 07:06 PM   #85 
  - k&r Reagan elevated the super wealthy to new heights  avaistheone1   May-09-10 10:55 AM   #43 
  - "So how did one of the worst presidents in our history...  The_Commonist   May-09-10 11:08 AM   #44 
  - That is a big part of it -- the upside-down people  Time for change   May-09-10 04:47 PM   #74 
     - Of course. Corporatia LOVES the Upside-Down People.  The_Commonist   May-10-10 10:56 AM   #119 
  - K and R  Mosby   May-09-10 11:48 AM   #45 
  - I think Al Gore eloquently addresses the demonization of government in The Assault on Reason. nt  Phoebe Loosinhouse   May-09-10 11:57 AM   #48 
  - A real must-read. I tell people to read it and they roll their eyes.  Dr Morbius   May-09-10 05:06 PM   #77 
  - To be blunt...  rasputin1952   May-09-10 12:00 PM   #49 
  - Yeah, but the Democrats have become the new Republicans...  DutchLiberal   May-09-10 07:10 PM   #87 
     - You may see it that way...  rasputin1952   May-09-10 07:11 PM   #89 
        - It's not a matter of opinion, but a matter of facts.  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 08:22 AM   #122 
           - You do realize that there was a 180 between the parties...  rasputin1952   May-11-10 10:02 AM   #127 
              - But you don't have "someone place in the middle" in the White House now...  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 06:51 PM   #129 
                 - No, bush was a RW corporatist...  rasputin1952   May-11-10 08:54 PM   #132 
                    - Bush was a facist. No wonder Obama looks 'pragmatic' compared to Bush...  DutchLiberal   May-12-10 06:08 PM   #135 
  - Remember when  dotymed   May-09-10 12:22 PM   #52 
  - The Raygun Legacy: Bullshit wrapped in an American flag.  Raster   May-09-10 12:50 PM   #54 
  - K&R-bookmarking for later full read  underpants   May-09-10 01:03 PM   #55 
  - I spent from 5th grade to college arguing about the evil raygun was  mdmc   May-09-10 01:21 PM   #58 
  - One of your best and most important ever, TFC.  abq e streeter   May-09-10 01:27 PM   #59 
  - Reagan "transcended the heated arguments of the day"  EFerrari   May-09-10 01:37 PM   #60 
  - Central truth  droidamus2   May-09-10 02:01 PM   #61 
  - It is a testament to American stupidity...  moonbatmax   May-09-10 02:13 PM   #63 
  - Government in service to the moneyed interests is what is bad. Not government by and for the people.  Kablooie   May-09-10 03:09 PM   #65 
  - Democracy is coming to the USA! And this is going up on my news page!  earcandle   May-09-10 04:01 PM   #66 
  - Superb!  G_j   May-09-10 04:04 PM   #67 
  - Thank you -- He certainly did have a mean streak  Time for change   May-09-10 09:53 PM   #108 
  - Outstanding! This is one of your best.  Uncle Joe   May-09-10 04:49 PM   #75 
  - Thank you Uncle Joe  Time for change   May-09-10 07:25 PM   #90 
  - 9 Words...."I'm Ronnie and I'm here to destroy your Country"  BlueJazz   May-09-10 05:02 PM   #76 
  - perfect  abq e streeter   May-09-10 06:00 PM   #81 
     - Hi: Glad to meet you. :)  BlueJazz   May-09-10 08:37 PM   #102 
  - Well Done Sir !  OverBurn   May-09-10 05:27 PM   #79 
  - Thank you for this excellent commentary.  DuckBurp   May-09-10 06:23 PM   #82 
  - I love to hear stories about people who are capable of rethinking their positions in the light  Time for change   May-09-10 09:06 PM   #104 
  - I'm afraid the US will never recover from the damage Reagan and Bush inflicted on the country...  DutchLiberal   May-09-10 06:29 PM   #83 
  - Thank you -- Recovery from things like this tend to take a very long time  Time for change   May-09-10 07:56 PM   #95 
     - Carter was inconsistent when it came to human rights...  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 08:48 AM   #123 
        - Carter's actions that you describe here  Time for change   May-11-10 12:34 PM   #128 
           - I think you're right that he was under pressure...  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 06:55 PM   #130 
              - I sure do -- and I don't think of it as a joke  Time for change   May-12-10 08:18 AM   #133 
                 - And his vice-president did everything he could to bury any evidence...  DutchLiberal   May-12-10 06:16 PM   #136 
  - K, R & B  Seneca   May-09-10 06:40 PM   #84 
  - The government only stops being "good" when it no longer serves the interest of it's  Lorien   May-09-10 07:10 PM   #88 
  - Well, this should brighten your day...  Jester Messiah   May-09-10 07:44 PM   #92 
  - Philadelphia, Mississippi  troubledamerican   May-09-10 07:52 PM   #93 
  - the lottery number in Baltimore the day Reagan was elected the first time  wial   May-09-10 07:55 PM   #94 
  - George HW Bush was the man behind Reagan and Junior!  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 08:51 AM   #124 
  - If government is SOOO bad then why do they always want to run it?  unlegendary   May-09-10 07:58 PM   #96 
  - Yes, I left out a lot -- One could fill a lot of pages talking about all the terrible things that  Time for change   May-09-10 08:06 PM   #97 
  - Ronald Reagan was a union-busting turd...  jxnmsdemguy65   May-09-10 08:17 PM   #98 
  - The presidency of Ronald Reagan ushered in the era of privatization and deregulation.  AlbertCat   May-09-10 08:31 PM   #100 
  - That reminds me of an argument I had with a Republican -- over dinner  Time for change   May-09-10 09:01 PM   #103 
     - It's called cognitive dissonance.  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 08:53 AM   #125 
  - K&R...  elzenmahn   May-09-10 08:34 PM   #101 
  - All reagan did in a nutshell was stop investing in schools and started investing in prisons.  craigmatic   May-09-10 09:11 PM   #105 
  - I only wish I could K&R this 1000 times  liberal N proud   May-09-10 09:42 PM   #106 
  - This is an extremely important article - I just wish people were not afraid to discuss it  Poiuyt   May-09-10 09:53 PM   #107 
  - I've heard Keith Olbermann call Reagan "a lousy president".  DutchLiberal   May-11-10 08:56 AM   #126 
  - Don't forget raygun's trip to Bitburg, Germany. That's when he laid a wreath on a nazi grave.  muntrv   May-09-10 10:00 PM   #109 
  - another kick - because it is so important  Douglas Carpenter   May-09-10 10:36 PM   #110 
  - Thanks for another great post. rec. nm  rhett o rick   May-09-10 11:23 PM   #111 
  - I'll add another kick for a enlightening post. N/T  GrannyK   May-10-10 12:54 AM   #114 
  - Precisely  Sherman A1   May-10-10 02:33 AM   #116 
  - Now that is some writing that gets it.  harun   May-10-10 08:47 AM   #118 
  - one last kick - for the truth about Ronald Reagan  Douglas Carpenter   May-10-10 01:48 PM   #120 
  - Cutting Non-Defense Government spending  humbled_opinion   May-10-10 07:59 PM   #121 

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