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31. yes, and anyone in the usa who starts meth already knows that
and does not care. everyone i knew who started heroin or crack knew it was bad for them, they just did not care.
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  -Legalize *all* drugs now Oregone  May-08-10 04:54 PM   #0 
  - Have you ever dealt with a meth addict or oxy addict?  Peacetrain   May-08-10 04:56 PM   #1 
  - So what? Mickey Mouse shit  Oregone   May-08-10 05:00 PM   #4 
  - Mickey Mouse nothing..  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:04 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-08-10 05:26 PM   #33 
  - Ever reach a breaking point where you realize the magnitude of *REAL* problems simply outweighs...  Oregone   May-08-10 06:12 PM   #89 
  - Sorry wrong post...  midnight   May-08-10 05:43 PM   #58 
  - As an addict/alcoholic, I heartily agree.  cliffordu   May-08-10 06:01 PM   #77 
     - The Question is Whether You Recovered  discocrisco01   May-10-10 12:13 PM   #286 
  - we don't ever have to deal with meth or oxy addicts...  mike_c   May-08-10 05:00 PM   #5 
  - You never had held the hand of a meth addict.. that is obvious.  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:03 PM   #8 
  - and said meth addict chose to addict themselves to meth  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:12 PM   #17 
  - People are not all wired the same way.  Dr Morbius   May-08-10 05:14 PM   #21 
  - Meth can kill you the first time you use it.. and have you hooked by the second or third  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:16 PM   #25 
  - yes, and anyone in the usa who starts meth already knows that  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:21 PM   #31 
  - And we could probably send every addict in the country to treatment...  laughingliberal   May-09-10 01:58 PM   #228 
  - Obviously you have never been addicted to anything  Taitertots   May-08-10 05:38 PM   #53 
  - I had no control with the alcohol  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:52 PM   #69 
     - You were not addicted  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:08 PM   #82 
        - I am serious here  reggie the dog   May-08-10 06:11 PM   #87 
           - Your "mental addiction" is nothing compared to physical addiction  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:32 PM   #101 
  - LOL. Stupidest post of the day.  Statistical   May-09-10 09:10 AM   #199 
  - all addicts CHOOSE to start their habits  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:03 PM   #314 
  - That's an alcohol argument, not a meth argument  dsn   May-09-10 12:20 PM   #210 
     - I still say they choose to addict themselves  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:04 PM   #315 
  - my neighbor is a tweaker and so are several other folks in my neighborhood....  mike_c   May-08-10 05:15 PM   #23 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   May-09-10 02:00 PM   #229 
  - Throwing them in jail doesn't do shit so so what?  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 06:05 PM   #81 
  - So you are saying we should make meth illegal?  Warren Stupidity   May-08-10 08:50 PM   #127 
  - Sure..legalize any drug  unlegendary   May-09-10 10:39 PM   #276 
  - i'm going to guess that factory produced methamphetamine is far less dangerous thent he shit people  dionysus   May-11-10 08:52 AM   #293 
     - supposedly the meth here in France comes in pills  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:20 PM   #322 
        - then most likely it's far less dangerous.  dionysus   May-11-10 02:35 PM   #335 
  - That has nothing to do with legal or illegal.  roody   May-09-10 10:23 AM   #206 
  - Untrue in my case. Have held the hand of many addicts.  laughingliberal   May-09-10 01:54 PM   #227 
  - Exactly  Oregone   May-08-10 05:06 PM   #13 
  - they will take them regardless of whether they are legal or not. legalize them and regulate them.  spanone   May-08-10 05:03 PM   #9 
  - Less people will take them if they are illegal n/t  Taitertots   May-08-10 05:47 PM   #64 
     - who cannot get illegal drugs within an hour or two?  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:48 PM   #66 
     - I have no idea where to get Crack, Heroin, Meth..... n/t  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:01 PM   #76 
        - the nearest trailer park or housing projects would be a good start  reggie the dog   May-08-10 06:02 PM   #79 
        - That is uselessly vague directions, I still couldn't get narcotics if I wanted them  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:13 PM   #92 
           - really???  reggie the dog   May-08-10 06:18 PM   #94 
              - So I would have to go around approaching large groups of gang bangers  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:27 PM   #98 
                 - Believe it or not, it's easier than you think and  JoeyT   May-08-10 10:26 PM   #136 
                    - You're right about the "gateway"  Cresent City Kid   May-08-10 11:24 PM   #161 
                    - Even back in the 70's I was making this argument about the 'gateway.'  laughingliberal   May-09-10 02:07 PM   #230 
                       - Very true  Oregone   May-09-10 06:08 PM   #241 
                    - Sounds prohibitively difficult to me  Taitertots   May-09-10 12:38 PM   #214 
                       - 2 hours worth of work for someone that's never seen either drug in person  JoeyT   May-09-10 02:42 PM   #232 
                       - 2 hours for YOU  Taitertots   May-09-10 03:49 PM   #233 
                          - they did a report on the news in france  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:08 PM   #317 
                       - "Compared to legal access in a store"  Oregone   May-09-10 06:12 PM   #242 
                       - Not in stores, but in dispensaries  Taitertots   May-09-10 08:30 PM   #254 
                          - "That sounds down right easy"  Oregone   May-09-10 08:54 PM   #256 
                             - Yeah, if you do that it will be easy to get drugs  Taitertots   May-09-10 09:21 PM   #260 
                                - So fuckn what?  Oregone   May-09-10 09:28 PM   #261 
                                   - Do you want there to be more drug addicts?  Taitertots   May-09-10 09:48 PM   #264 
                                      - Nope, and I also want less harm from those that are just going to do it  Oregone   May-09-10 09:56 PM   #265 
                                      - You say "nope", but your policies are sure to cause increased drug use  Taitertots   May-09-10 10:14 PM   #269 
                                      - Yep, eliminating drug pushers, education and regulation is "sure to cause increased drug use"  Oregone   May-09-10 10:17 PM   #270 
                                      - Making hard drugs cheap and easy to get is sure to increase drug use  Taitertots   May-09-10 10:24 PM   #272 
                                      - And "common sense" also dictates prohibition creates a better world  Oregone   May-09-10 10:34 PM   #275 
                                      - hard drugs are cheap and easy to get  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:00 PM   #313 
                                      - the cannabis use rate of the Netherlands is lower than that of  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:10 PM   #318 
                                      - dealers market  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:11 PM   #319 
                                      - people take the notion of legalizing herb, which should be done, to bizarre extremes.  dionysus   May-11-10 11:16 AM   #303 
                                         - The "war on drugs" is a bizarre extreme  Oregone   May-11-10 11:45 AM   #305 
                                         - I never said meth or hard drugs were harmless  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:13 PM   #320 
                       - go to the city, find people wearing similar colors hanging in a group  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:06 PM   #316 
        - If you wanted them you'd figure it out. Really, you would.  JanMichael   May-09-10 09:02 PM   #257 
           - sad to say but here is how it works  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:18 PM   #321 
     - the case for harm reduction is full of the fail.  Warren Stupidity   May-08-10 08:51 PM   #129 
     - There is absolutely no evidence to support this assertion.  Greyhound   May-09-10 03:47 AM   #180 
  - ever dealt with an alcoholic?  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:09 PM   #15 
  - Yes I have dealt with alcoholics.. Yes I have dealt with Heroin addicts  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:14 PM   #19 
     - i know meth is a nightmare  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:20 PM   #29 
        - Reggie, I had to hold and care for a 14 month old baby  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:28 PM   #38 
           - they remembered  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:31 PM   #43 
           - Reggie it is different..Honest to GOD different.  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:36 PM   #48 
              - is meth different in the USA from the meth here in France???  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:40 PM   #54 
                 - I am working with little Moms who were addicted after the first hit.  Peacetrain   May-08-10 05:44 PM   #59 
                 - did they know the risk when they started?  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:48 PM   #65 
                 - Do have any idea what Crystal Meth is?  Taitertots   May-08-10 05:57 PM   #73 
                 - meth amphetamine  reggie the dog   May-08-10 06:01 PM   #78 
                    - I don't think it that is the same  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:45 PM   #109 
                    - It is the same plus tons of impurities, dosage irregularities, etc.  Warren Stupidity   May-11-10 06:12 AM   #290 
                    - As always, it's a matter of social class.  LeftyMom   May-08-10 07:31 PM   #112 
                       - Good point. Class war plays into the drug war.  JNelson6563   May-09-10 06:51 AM   #193 
                       - Thank you! 100% accurate analysis of the issue! nt  laughingliberal   May-10-10 12:22 AM   #279 
                 - the meth tweakers cook up in a garage is way, way different from laboratory produced speed.  dionysus   May-11-10 08:57 AM   #294 
                    - so if lab speed is less bad for users  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:22 PM   #323 
                       - back when it was lab speed, it was made by pharma and prescribed by doctors. i don't know the  dionysus   May-11-10 02:30 PM   #333 
           - You must be incredibly strong.  JNelson6563   May-09-10 06:54 AM   #195 
           - Thank you for bearing the burden of hard drug use  Taitertots   May-09-10 12:32 PM   #213 
  - How do draconian drugs laws change that in any way, or more importantly  ixion   May-08-10 05:14 PM   #22 
  - you can decriminalize a drug, it doesn't make it legal per se. you just won't lock people up for it.  dionysus   May-11-10 08:59 AM   #295 
  - Is legalization and decriminalization the same?  fortune   May-08-10 05:19 PM   #28 
  - decrim keeps production and sales illegal  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:26 PM   #34 
  - they'll still be there notwithstanding the legal status of the substances  datasuspect   May-08-10 05:53 PM   #72 
  - I have on both counts  Warpy   May-08-10 06:09 PM   #86 
  - I think you're confusing "legalizing" with "encouraging".  Lyric   May-08-10 06:42 PM   #108 
  - You are right. Drunks are so much more pleasant.  PM Martin   May-08-10 10:40 PM   #139 
  - You seem to think the legalization of them would cause rampant new use  tavalon   May-09-10 08:15 AM   #196 
  - If Meth and oxy were legal, safe and available, they wouldn't be killing/hurting/destroying others  Taverner   May-09-10 12:30 PM   #212 
  - Over ninety percent of all drug use is related to marijuana --  truedelphi   May-09-10 12:45 PM   #217 
  - Have you ever dealt with an alcoholic? n/t  superduperfarleft   May-09-10 12:55 PM   #223 
  - I don't think you'd have to legalize "all" drugs  Ex Lurker   May-09-10 04:26 PM   #238 
  - I haven't had to 'deal' with an oxycontin addict, but I've listened to Rush Limblah...  AnArmyVeteran   May-10-10 10:37 AM   #282 
     - Rush Limbaugh Is Sober But Does Not Work Steps  discocrisco01   May-10-10 12:12 PM   #285 
        - It would take Rush Limbaugh 10,000 years to just get by the restitution step.  AnArmyVeteran   May-12-10 09:04 AM   #344 
  - I would not agree with legalizing all drugs.  Dr Morbius   May-08-10 04:58 PM   #2 
  - "marijuana merely robs ambition"  Oregone   May-08-10 05:02 PM   #7 
  - That is Flat Wrong... and I think you know it.  cherokeeprogressive   May-08-10 05:29 PM   #40 
  - drug tests to flip bugers have nothing to do with that eh? n/t  nebenaube   May-08-10 05:52 PM   #71 
  - with all due respect...  mike_c   May-08-10 05:05 PM   #12 
  - Very well. I will alter my statement to this:  Dr Morbius   May-08-10 05:10 PM   #16 
  - mmmm soma  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:15 PM   #24 
  - The most ambitious and successful people I know use pot  Bluenorthwest   May-08-10 05:45 PM   #62 
  - It robs the ambition of people whose ambition is easily taken from them.  Iggo   May-09-10 04:16 PM   #236 
  - robs ambition????  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:14 PM   #20 
     - A few questions from one toker to another...  cherokeeprogressive   May-08-10 05:37 PM   #49 
     - an honest answer to an honest question  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:44 PM   #60 
        - Thanks for the answer.  cherokeeprogressive   May-08-10 05:52 PM   #70 
     - I know. The PhD I am getting must be an illusion since  CBR   May-09-10 06:47 AM   #192 
  - I deal with speed freaks all day.  Codeine   May-08-10 05:00 PM   #3 
  - Don't agree. Not all drugs are created equal.  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:02 PM   #6 
  - "Keep meth and heroin illegal but treat it as a health issue, not a criminal one"  Oregone   May-08-10 05:04 PM   #10 
  - Right now users do jail time.  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:29 PM   #39 
     - You think mandating treatment as punishment will work?  Oregone   May-08-10 05:37 PM   #51 
        - "Regardless, its a better approach than just locking them up"  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:42 PM   #55 
  - you know, some people actually LIKE heroin and meth  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:17 PM   #26 
  - As long as that pursuit fucks up no one but themselves I have no problems with that.  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:21 PM   #30 
     - honestly no, they only hurt themselves  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:24 PM   #32 
     - What of the users children, or do only single people get addicted?  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:30 PM   #42 
        - If they cant take care of their kids  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:33 PM   #44 
        - That's pretty fucked.  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:43 PM   #56 
        - you are correct that was fucked up of me to even think that  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:46 PM   #63 
           - !  Swamp Rat   May-08-10 06:14 PM   #93 
           - We all have our moments, Reggie.  Forkboy   May-08-10 11:09 PM   #152 
        - You think children mistreated by addicts will make your children better off?  Taitertots   May-09-10 04:06 PM   #235 
        - like i said to the other poster  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:44 PM   #328 
        - I have few doubts it may appear that way....  LanternWaste   May-11-10 12:23 PM   #310 
        - what of the children of alcoholics, or tobacco users...?  mike_c   May-08-10 05:37 PM   #50 
           - As a child of both, I have no real argument to that.  Forkboy   May-08-10 05:52 PM   #68 
     - Hell yes, they hurt others  Sparkly   May-08-10 05:57 PM   #74 
        - stealing is illegal, punish theives for that  reggie the dog   May-08-10 06:08 PM   #83 
        - Heroin addicts don't "go on with their lives"  Sparkly   May-08-10 06:11 PM   #88 
           - John Lennon didnt go on with his life?  reggie the dog   May-08-10 06:12 PM   #90 
           - He did when he got off heroin.  Sparkly   May-08-10 06:28 PM   #99 
           - John Lennon was a multi millionaire for years before using heroin  Taitertots   May-09-10 03:59 PM   #234 
           - of course they do....  mike_c   May-08-10 06:31 PM   #100 
              - Look them up and see if they're still "functioning addicts."  Sparkly   May-08-10 06:36 PM   #104 
        - Crimes related to drug acquisition would be eliminated.  Warren Stupidity   May-08-10 08:58 PM   #130 
           - "The medical consequences of heroin addiction are relatively minor."  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:14 PM   #156 
              - I'll refer you to wiki.  Warren Stupidity   May-09-10 10:02 AM   #204 
                 - .  Sparkly   May-09-10 10:51 AM   #207 
                    - Your source is biased and does not separate WOD induced harm.  Warren Stupidity   May-09-10 12:53 PM   #221 
  - "Keep meth and heroin illegal but treat it as a health issue, not a criminal one"  dionysus   May-11-10 09:01 AM   #296 
  - legalize it all, the current system of distribution of drugs  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:07 PM   #14 
  - Actually, it is illegal  Texasgal   May-08-10 05:26 PM   #35 
     - It is legal to be an alcoholic  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:28 PM   # 
        - We could say the same for drug addicts  Texasgal   May-08-10 05:30 PM   #41 
           - drug testing for jobs, wire taps  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:34 PM   #45 
              - You have a point...  Texasgal   May-08-10 05:38 PM   #52 
  - that would certainly end all the negative externalities, mainly crime....  amborin   May-08-10 05:14 PM   #18 
  - what has ruined more lives, drugs, or the war on them?  G_j   May-08-10 05:19 PM   #27 
  - to be clear  G_j   May-09-10 06:43 PM   #245 
  - Supported. Here is why it should be legal and how it should be handled:  Meldread   May-08-10 05:27 PM   #36 
  - I support legalizing marijuana  rollin74   May-08-10 05:28 PM   #37 
  - Concur  discocrisco01   May-10-10 12:14 PM   #287 
  - That only works if you pretend that narcotics use is harmless  Taitertots   May-08-10 05:34 PM   #46 
  - why should drug users be persecuted  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:35 PM   #47 
  - Do Alcohol and Narcotics have the same effects?  Taitertots   May-08-10 05:45 PM   #61 
     - my drugs of choice are less harmful than alcohol  reggie the dog   May-08-10 05:50 PM   #67 
        - I support Marijuana legalization  Taitertots   May-08-10 06:36 PM   #103 
           - I agree, Taiter.  Sparkly   May-08-10 06:38 PM   #105 
  - then why embrace alcohol use throughout our culture...?  mike_c   May-08-10 05:43 PM   #57 
  - There are differences.  Sparkly   May-08-10 06:04 PM   #80 
     - I think you're succumbing to anti-drug propaganda....  mike_c   May-08-10 06:26 PM   #97 
     - "Who are you and I to tell people what they can and can't put in their own veins?"  Sparkly   May-08-10 06:35 PM   #102 
        - "Criminalization is sometimes the only thing that has an effect."  mike_c   May-08-10 07:20 PM   #111 
           - I couldn't disagree more.  Sparkly   May-08-10 07:59 PM   #116 
              - Why wasn't everyone a cocaine and/or opiate addict when they were legal?  Kurt_and_Hunter   May-08-10 08:08 PM   #119 
                 - Not quite right.  Sparkly   May-08-10 08:22 PM   #120 
                    - You can't force people into treatment  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 10:50 PM   #141 
                    - You sure can.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:03 PM   #147 
                       - Do you think the kids mandated into rehab take it seriously?  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:06 PM   #149 
                          - You can't make universal statements about it.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:09 PM   #151 
                             - How do you do this?  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:16 PM   #157 
                                - Yes.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:21 PM   #160 
                                   - If that were true, nobody would get clean.  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:30 PM   #163 
                                      - "Obnoxious"  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:34 PM   #167 
                                         - If it's your family, you clearly have more authority  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:35 PM   #169 
                    - Actually, when legal they were MUCH more widely available  Kurt_and_Hunter   May-09-10 09:03 AM   #198 
                       - Have you noticed that rational argument has no effect w.r.t. the WOD?  Warren Stupidity   May-09-10 02:07 PM   #231 
                       - I understand the argument  Sparkly   May-09-10 05:38 PM   #240 
     - "one shot of heroin might"  Warren Stupidity   May-08-10 09:03 PM   #131 
     - Bullshit.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:06 PM   #150 
        - "Heroin is deadly"  Oregone   May-09-10 03:35 AM   #178 
        - with legalization overdose deaths would be reduced  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:26 AM   #182 
        - Actually, strong-opiates are unusually safe drugs  Kurt_and_Hunter   May-09-10 09:18 AM   #200 
        - well, only if these dosage is too high or it's cut with poison. that said.. nasty stuff.  dionysus   May-11-10 11:08 AM   #300 
     - Wow: "People must be arrested and forced into rehab in order to get well."  Flaneur   May-09-10 06:59 PM   #249 
  - true to some extent..  nebenaube   May-08-10 06:00 PM   #75 
  - Not a bit. I don't pretend all drugs are safe at all  Oregone   May-08-10 06:24 PM   #96 
  - But criminalizing doesn't create more problems than legalizing  Taitertots   May-08-10 07:33 PM   #113 
     - Right-O. Nope. Criminalizing sure doesn't create a black market ran by armed cartels of assholes  Oregone   May-08-10 07:47 PM   #115 
     - It is still better than having legal hard drugs  Taitertots   May-08-10 08:45 PM   #125 
        - Why? Drug pushers with uzis are better than some regulated dispensiary?  Oregone   May-08-10 09:15 PM   #133 
           - You are creating a false dilemma  Taitertots   May-08-10 09:51 PM   #134 
              - The status quo of the black market is just that  Oregone   May-08-10 10:30 PM   #137 
                 - That is still a false dilemma  Taitertots   May-09-10 02:39 AM   #172 
                 - "We reform the penal system, which will reduce crime."  Oregone   May-09-10 02:55 AM   #175 
                    - People seem to think you can simply force people to stop using drugs.  RedCappedBandit   May-09-10 03:37 AM   #179 
                    - exactly  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:32 AM   #184 
                    - If you want to stop drug dealers you stop drug users  Taitertots   May-09-10 12:27 PM   #211 
                       - Throwing addicts in jail after they are hooked eliminates drug users?  Oregone   May-09-10 12:51 PM   #219 
                       - Your easy solution to preventing drug use is to make drugs easily available  Taitertots   May-09-10 01:25 PM   #225 
                          - Drugs are easily available. My solution is to make them regulated & controlled, and stress education  Oregone   May-09-10 01:40 PM   #226 
                          - You believe legalization will make drugs less available?  Taitertots   May-09-10 04:21 PM   #237 
                             - How can you get it from friends when its sold in limited quantities at a time to a specific person  Oregone   May-09-10 05:29 PM   #239 
                                - Going and getting a license sounds dramatically easier  Taitertots   May-09-10 06:31 PM   #243 
                                   - Than driving to the shitty part of town?  Oregone   May-09-10 06:55 PM   #248 
                                      - It is not JUST driving through the shitty part of town thou is it  Taitertots   May-09-10 07:40 PM   #251 
                                      - "You have to find and approach potentially armed drug dealers"  Oregone   May-09-10 08:51 PM   #255 
                                      - Again with the false dilemma  Taitertots   May-09-10 09:13 PM   #258 
                                      - You endorse reforming the penal system...I got that....  Oregone   May-09-10 09:18 PM   #259 
                                      - The black market doesn't produce addicts  Taitertots   May-09-10 09:31 PM   #262 
                                      - It does when they give out free goodie samples  Oregone   May-09-10 09:35 PM   #263 
                                      - We are at an impasse  Taitertots   May-09-10 10:04 PM   #268 
                                      - "Drug prohibition will only work with a functional penal system"  Oregone   May-09-10 10:19 PM   #271 
                                      - Only if you pretend that changing the justice system will have no effect  Taitertots   May-09-10 10:31 PM   #273 
                                      - You mean for after users are already addicted from buying from the black market?!?  Oregone   May-09-10 10:32 PM   #274 
                                      - No, targeting the black market and the drug dealers  Taitertots   May-09-10 10:40 PM   #277 
                                      - Targeting the black market by making a "war" on them?  Oregone   May-09-10 10:47 PM   #278 
                          - My goodness, listen to yourself!  Flaneur   May-09-10 06:50 PM   #247 
                       - try to stop me from smoking reefer  reggie the dog   May-11-10 12:59 PM   #312 
                 - weed is as cheap or cheaper than it was when i started 17 years ago  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:31 AM   #183 
     - How does imprisoning people for using drugs equate to helping them?  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 10:55 PM   #145 
        - Clearly this isn't something you understand.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:12 PM   #154 
           - Been to more than a few. Don't make assumptions.  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:18 PM   #159 
              - And you still ask how keeping them from drugs helps them??  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:25 PM   #162 
                 - I never asked that. I asked how making criminals out of non-criminals is beneficial to anybody.  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:32 PM   #165 
                 - I am through discussing this with you.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:35 PM   #170 
                 - How is making the dangerous, addictive substances available to them beneficial to anybody?  Taitertots   May-09-10 02:48 AM   #173 
                    - Its already is available for all through Uzi armed thugs...  Oregone   May-09-10 03:13 AM   #176 
                    - yes, someone else gets it!  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:44 AM   #188 
                    - They're already available. You're naive if you think otherwise.  RedCappedBandit   May-09-10 03:27 AM   #177 
                    - a stern talking to will do nothing  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:42 AM   #187 
                 - What wll help them is this  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:39 AM   #185 
                    - ...  RedCappedBandit   May-09-10 06:44 PM   #246 
  - So everything not harmless should be illegal and folks would benefit from prison...  Kurt_and_Hunter   May-08-10 07:35 PM   #114 
     - Not "everything." This isn't "all" or "nothing."  Sparkly   May-08-10 08:24 PM   #122 
  - Criminalizing drugs does nothing except make drug users criminals.  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 06:08 PM   #84 
  - I agree, with the caveat that ALL TREATMENT programs are FREE  Duer 157099   May-08-10 06:09 PM   #85 
  - There would be more than enough money left over to do it  Oregone   May-08-10 06:21 PM   #95 
  - dont forget that taxes from mdma, lsd cannabis etc  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:45 AM   #189 
  - Sanest post of the year  Swamp Rat   May-08-10 06:13 PM   #91 
  - WHAT?! and threaten the prison-industrial complex?  SocialistLez   May-08-10 06:40 PM   #106 
  - WHAT?! and threaten the prison-industrial complex?!  SocialistLez   May-08-10 06:41 PM   #107 
  - I say legalize cannabis and decriminalize everything else. No sense in locking people up for drugs.  krabigirl   May-08-10 07:11 PM   #110 
  - Unless it's for treatment.  Sparkly   May-08-10 08:02 PM   #117 
     - How do you forcibly treat someone? Can't be done. People should not be locked up for drugs, period  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 10:36 PM   #138 
        - Same way it's done for mental illness.  Sparkly   May-08-10 10:50 PM   #142 
           - Which is what?  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:04 PM   #148 
           - Oh for God's sake.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:11 PM   #153 
              - So, do you keep them locked up until you're confident they won't go home and relapse?  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:18 PM   #158 
                 - You're never confident.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:30 PM   #164 
                    - I'm not suggesting anybody gives up.  RedCappedBandit   May-08-10 11:33 PM   #166 
                       - I am through discussing this with you.  Sparkly   May-08-10 11:34 PM   #168 
           - drug use is not like mental illness  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:47 AM   #191 
              - Yes, it is.  Sparkly   May-09-10 10:54 AM   #208 
                 - Please post some numbers to back that assertion.  Flaneur   May-09-10 07:18 PM   #250 
                 - Surprised, huh?  Sparkly   May-10-10 12:07 PM   #284 
                 - ????? Most heroin addicts I know or have known  reggie the dog   May-10-10 09:53 AM   #281 
                    - Same here.  RedCappedBandit   May-10-10 11:55 AM   #283 
  - All drugs? No.  proteus_lives   May-08-10 08:07 PM   #118 
  - That sums it up.  Sparkly   May-08-10 08:23 PM   #121 
  - Crack, meth, and some other drugs aren't safe.  chrisa   May-08-10 08:29 PM   #123 
  - A ton of pharmaceuticals aren't safe  Oregone   May-08-10 08:38 PM   #124 
  - so are you saying that people "sniff" crack?  datasuspect   May-08-10 08:51 PM   #128 
  - Agreed.  Robeson   May-08-10 08:48 PM   #126 
  - Consider it done ~  bridgit   May-08-10 09:08 PM   #132 
  - Um, no thanks  usregimechange   May-08-10 09:54 PM   #135 
  - Aren't more kids using stuff lying around the house and in their parents medicine cabinets?  Jennicut   May-08-10 10:48 PM   #140 
  - Pharma drugs are killing a ton of kids these days  Oregone   May-08-10 10:54 PM   #144 
     - It is easier access for them. And what parent is going to think that  Jennicut   May-08-10 11:12 PM   #155 
  - I say defund all the drug warriors and use that money for education and rehab.  MODem75   May-08-10 10:52 PM   #143 
  - -1  CommonSensePLZ   May-08-10 11:00 PM   #146 
  - Drug are bad.  CommonSensePLZ   May-09-10 12:03 AM   #171 
  - It sounds to me as if we need to educate people about the  kas125   May-09-10 02:51 AM   #174 
  - Some would have you believe they don't exist  RedCappedBandit   May-09-10 04:13 AM   #181 
  - I dont know about heroin or meth but i know that mdma and cocaine  reggie the dog   May-09-10 06:51 AM   #194 
  - If it pisses off all the Right people, I'm all for it  Echo In Light   May-09-10 06:41 AM   #186 
  - I disagree  Dorian Gray   May-09-10 06:46 AM   #190 
  - Wow, I've never met another person who espoused that opinion  tavalon   May-09-10 08:21 AM   #197 
  - copy pasted my below reply to you here..  mdmc   May-09-10 09:31 AM   #203 
  - Life, liberty, and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS--unalienable rights!  randr   May-09-10 09:18 AM   #201 
  - k/r  mdmc   May-09-10 09:27 AM   #202 
  - Portugal has decriminalized drug possession.  roody   May-09-10 10:21 AM   #205 
  - Hey, Oligarchs, ever hear of a marijuana fueled lynch mob?  Strelnikov_   May-09-10 11:23 AM   #209 
  - 150% agree. Drug laws drive violent crime, poverty, and destroy already  Pavulon   May-09-10 12:39 PM   #215 
  - I forget the actual stats, but marijuana use  truedelphi   May-09-10 12:43 PM   #216 
  - nope  backwoodsbob   May-09-10 12:46 PM   #218 
  - PLEASE STOP THIS PISSING CONTEST  robdogbucky   May-09-10 12:52 PM   #220 
  - when it comes to defending the WOD, it is FAITH not FACTS  Warren Stupidity   May-09-10 12:59 PM   #224 
     - The drug warriors, as you call them are archaic.  PM Martin   May-09-10 08:21 PM   #252 
  - All drugs would be legalized tomorrow if corporations could completely control their sales...  AnArmyVeteran   May-09-10 12:55 PM   #222 
  - Yep. Legalize, tax, treat people if and when they become addicts.  BreweryYardRat   May-09-10 06:37 PM   #244 
  - Hope this works:  wildbilln864   May-09-10 08:28 PM   #253 
  - Go to YouTube and type "russian kids shooting up" into the search bar. You can't unwatch it, though.  Poll_Blind   May-09-10 09:58 PM   #266 
  - Alcohol is legal....so we permit kids to use it?  Oregone   May-09-10 10:01 PM   #267 
  - i watched kids shoot up when i was a teen  reggie the dog   May-11-10 01:46 PM   #331 
  - The government should not only legalize all drugs, it should supply them  xrdan   May-10-10 09:47 AM   #280 
  - LOL @ Government Sterilization Program.  Iggo   May-10-10 02:50 PM   #288 
     - What free society?  Oregone   May-10-10 11:10 PM   #289 
        - The same.  Iggo   May-11-10 08:41 AM   #291 
  - have you any idea how dangerous meth and methheads are?  dionysus   May-11-10 08:49 AM   #292 
  - Yep. I still don't care  Oregone   May-11-10 10:14 AM   #297 
  - i garauntee you'd change your tune if you had firsthand experience with it. actually, since it's you  dionysus   May-11-10 10:47 AM   #298 
     - I guarantee I have and I still don't care  Oregone   May-11-10 11:01 AM   #299 
  - well it's sure a good thing it's illegal, since that obviously keeps people from doing it  anarch   May-11-10 11:10 AM   #301 
     - you could decriminalize it and use treatment instead of prison, but over the counter crank is a bad,  dionysus   May-11-10 11:13 AM   #302 
        - crank is a bad idea in general, in my opinion  anarch   May-11-10 11:22 AM   #304 
        - And such people are not "in the system" most often since what they want is illegal  Oregone   May-11-10 11:48 AM   #307 
        - Poison crank bought by unlicensed users in unlimited quantities from gun wielding fucks is better  Oregone   May-11-10 11:46 AM   #306 
        - we survived from 1930 - 1970 or so with legal meth.  Warren Stupidity   May-11-10 01:29 PM   #324 
           - knowing that bathtub meth is bad / = supporting the war on drugs. but hey, you can  dionysus   May-11-10 01:34 PM   #325 
           - And I personally will continue to do so  Oregone   May-11-10 01:40 PM   #327 
           - the only difference between you and me on this, would be meth and crack. i don't have a problem with  dionysus   May-11-10 01:45 PM   #330 
              - "i'd have no problem with decriminalizing it"  Oregone   May-11-10 01:53 PM   #332 
                 - i'm only half joking when i say, i'd tell people to avoid that shit and go for legalized vicodin.  dionysus   May-11-10 02:32 PM   #334 
                    - I hate opiates with a passion  Oregone   May-11-10 02:37 PM   #336 
                       - i agree on herb. as for opiates, pain pills (not H) when you have a blown out back,  dionysus   May-11-10 02:43 PM   #337 
                          - I have a blow out back actually  Oregone   May-11-10 02:54 PM   #338 
                             - i blew my lowest disc completely out . any worse and it would have needed surgery. for some reason,  dionysus   May-11-10 02:57 PM   #339 
           - "bathtub meth" exists only because of the WOD.  Warren Stupidity   May-11-10 03:10 PM   #342 
           - "none of them beneficial to society"  Oregone   May-11-10 01:35 PM   #326 
              - well yes it does indeed benefit some.  Warren Stupidity   May-11-10 03:06 PM   #340 
  - Portugal has...  and-justice-for-all   May-11-10 11:54 AM   #308 
  - Try to argue the legalization of drugs on its own merit...  LanternWaste   May-11-10 12:22 PM   #309 
  - I have spent most of this thread doing that  Oregone   May-11-10 12:58 PM   #311 
  - A primer...  LanternWaste   May-11-10 01:44 PM   #329 
  - This is the basis of the organization known as "NORML"  Mojeoux   May-11-10 03:49 PM   #343 
  - INCLUDING GLUE ! ...oh wait. n/t  UndertheOcean   May-11-10 03:07 PM   #341 
 

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