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Then you should have no problem with anything I have said.
You have no idea how the "bosses" and the "bossed" might be a factor in politics in this country?
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| -Detroit's Robert Bobb wins, school district loses. School closures full speed ahead. |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 01:15 PM |
#0 |
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When people realize what is happening, it will be too late. |
Catshrink |
May-08-10 01:32 PM |
#1 |
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You are right. Teachers are not usually confrontational. |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 09:58 PM |
#11 |
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also because the "powerful teachers' unions" as the new york times calls them, |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 06:14 AM |
#22 |
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What happens when one quarter of the people leave a city? |
Taitertots |
May-08-10 01:32 PM |
#2 |
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But does that mean it must be sold off to private corporations? |
Catshrink |
May-08-10 01:34 PM |
#4 |
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All districts face that. You don't close and privatize...you adjust. |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 01:36 PM |
#5 |
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Ummm... The charter schools in Detroit are nonprofits |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 07:36 PM |
#81 |
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You do some research and get back to me. |
madfloridian |
May-15-10 12:35 AM |
#119 |
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So, which Detroit charter schools are owned by for-profit companies? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 11:21 PM |
#152 |
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what is "owned" besides the name? |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 12:48 PM |
#176 |
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Owned means owned |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 01:44 PM |
#181 |
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what, precisely, is "owned"? you keep avoiding the question. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 02:22 PM |
#183 |
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In the case of the schools I have visited |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 02:35 PM |
#185 |
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great, so we apparently agree that owning or controlling the facilities & controlling hiring & |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 02:49 PM |
#187 |
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I don't have specific knowledge... |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 02:55 PM |
#189 |
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No, the city contracts management of ALL public schools to private management. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 03:34 PM |
#193 |
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And that article was wrong |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 07:47 PM |
#197 |
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you posted misinformation when you said i said dte runs a school. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 09:39 PM |
#199 |
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Ummm... |
LuckyTheDog |
May-18-10 02:31 PM |
#201 |
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about 75% of charter schools in michigan are run by for-profit EMOs. |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 03:51 AM |
#125 |
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I repeat: The charter schools in Detroit are owned by nonprofits |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 11:18 PM |
#151 |
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just *what* is "owned"? the management companies own e.g. buildings & curriculum. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 03:08 AM |
#160 |
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Nope. That is just plain wrong. |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 08:16 AM |
#166 |
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in name only. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 12:47 PM |
#175 |
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Once again |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 12:59 PM |
#178 |
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I have never stated that the charter of any school is owned by a for-profit company. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 01:23 PM |
#179 |
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Well... except the charter schools I know about don't work that way |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 01:42 PM |
#180 |
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I linked you to 11 charter schools being run this way by the same for-profit company, |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 01:47 PM |
#182 |
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So, you don't really have specific knowledge of Detroit charter schools |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 02:25 PM |
#184 |
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ah, but you see, they cannot simply "cancel the contract". because there's |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 02:45 PM |
#186 |
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All that depends on the terms of the contract |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 02:57 PM |
#190 |
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uh, excuse me, public schools did not traditionally enter into contracts |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 03:06 PM |
#191 |
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DPS has THOUSANDS of private vendors |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 03:08 PM |
#192 |
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you continue to misrepresent my posts, my position, & the facts. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 10:08 PM |
#200 |
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Are you that superfluous that you think "non-profit" = no profits? |
Doremus |
May-18-10 06:50 PM |
#203 |
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Also.. did you read that whole page you linked to? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 11:40 PM |
#153 |
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Yes; that's the standard dodge. But again, I ask, what is "owned"? |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 04:11 AM |
#161 |
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So, they outsource stuff |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 08:21 AM |
#167 |
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They outsource EVERYTHING. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 12:44 PM |
#174 |
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More like 60% |
Gaedel |
May-12-10 03:58 PM |
#33 |
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not according to the census. pg 38, table 27: 912,000 |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 04:26 AM |
#129 |
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arbitrary and meaningless |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 12:53 PM |
#136 |
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nonsense, utter nonsense |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 05:39 PM |
#92 |
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This trend has me reassessing my views on homeschooling. nt |
eilen |
May-08-10 01:33 PM |
#3 |
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It's like a movement hurtling forward with no one to stop it. |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 05:38 PM |
#7 |
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Houghton Mifflin Harcourt now embedding workers in Detroit school system. |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 03:35 PM |
#6 |
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Teachers will become drones reading a script. |
Catshrink |
May-09-10 12:53 AM |
#14 |
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Bobb is returning TFA to Detroit, even while experienced teachers laid off. |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 07:54 PM |
#8 |
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kick. |
Starry Messenger |
May-08-10 08:14 PM |
#9 |
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Yes. "These large foundations are like a juggernaut that can not be stopped." |
madfloridian |
May-08-10 08:35 PM |
#10 |
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They want to end the world it seems, what can you do. |
RandomThoughts |
May-08-10 10:01 PM |
#12 |
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We have to at least try. |
madfloridian |
May-09-10 12:36 AM |
#13 |
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It truly is. |
Dappleganger |
May-12-10 03:21 PM |
#30 |
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And THIS is why Repubs hate unions: Unions stand in the way of laissez-faire. |
WinkyDink |
May-12-10 04:52 PM |
#45 |
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Bob Bobb? |
gmoney |
May-09-10 12:56 AM |
#15 |
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It's Robert Bobb. n/t |
Fire1 |
May-09-10 08:54 PM |
#19 |
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I voted for Bob Roberts back in '92! |
Blue_Tires |
May-12-10 03:25 PM |
#31 |
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Mi Court of Appeals? Good old.... here you go- it is a perversion to be sure. |
n.michigan |
May-09-10 02:01 AM |
#16 |
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The union has mostly worked with Granholm.... |
madfloridian |
May-09-10 07:55 AM |
#17 |
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Time for teachers to file a lawsuit against the unions and RTTBottom dictates-a RICO? |
n.michigan |
May-09-10 11:13 AM |
#18 |
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"Where is that f-ing union" = my question too. |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 03:57 AM |
#127 |
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Interesting... |
dreamnightwind |
May-10-10 09:45 PM |
#20 |
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yes, he is. an operative for capital. as are most of the school "reformers". |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 03:06 PM |
#27 |
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Detroit resident here |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 05:52 AM |
#21 |
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and others who live there feel differently. and the fact that someone doesn't live somewhere |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 06:17 AM |
#23 |
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It's not a conspiracy |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 01:25 PM |
#24 |
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Never let a good crisis go to waste. |
madfloridian |
May-12-10 01:29 PM |
#25 |
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Yeah, I read "The Shock Doctrine," too |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 02:50 PM |
#26 |
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foundations are the tax-free investment & policy-making arms of the ruling class. |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 03:16 PM |
#29 |
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Foundations = philanthropy |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 05:37 PM |
#48 |
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um, foundations = tax-free investment funds & policy arms controlled by the top 1% |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 10:30 PM |
#56 |
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Their motives are not always pristine, sure, that's clear... |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 09:31 AM |
#62 |
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any good work they do for others is incidental to the good work they do for themselves, |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 12:37 PM |
#66 |
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You don't know much about foundations (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 03:38 PM |
#77 |
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a lot more than you, apparently. |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 03:11 AM |
#123 |
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Yeah, it is the "shock doctrine" of education. Lois Weiner tells the truth about it. |
tonysam |
May-12-10 03:51 PM |
#32 |
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These groups are taking over our public schools. It is not okay. |
madfloridian |
May-12-10 04:08 PM |
#34 |
| -
You are painting with a broad brush |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 05:34 PM |
#47 |
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It is not just Detroit. It is all over the country. |
madfloridian |
May-12-10 05:55 PM |
#49 |
| -
All situations and communities are different |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 06:10 PM |
#52 |
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The policies are the problem. It is a national problem now. |
madfloridian |
May-12-10 06:57 PM |
#55 |
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bullshit |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 04:27 PM |
#83 |
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Crushing of the unions? |
blue_onyx |
May-14-10 05:55 PM |
#95 |
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LOL |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:08 PM |
#96 |
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She's been using that line for ages now. |
madfloridian |
May-15-10 12:34 AM |
#118 |
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Lucky...... |
Gaedel |
May-14-10 05:53 PM |
#93 |
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The policy & the money funding it is THE SAME, in Detroit, in Los Angeles, in New York, |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 02:46 AM |
#121 |
| -
are you guys in the "broad brush" club or something? seems to be your |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 02:44 AM |
#120 |
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it *is* a conspiracy. |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 03:07 PM |
#28 |
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I agree. It may be the only way to get people to move |
sufrommich |
May-12-10 04:19 PM |
#38 |
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that's not the conspiracy i'm talking about. |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 11:09 PM |
#59 |
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that is not what happened |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 12:04 PM |
#133 |
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OK, but it's 2010... what do we do now? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-15-10 06:21 PM |
#141 |
| -
"we" who? |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 09:56 PM |
#144 |
| -
Re-read your post |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 12:03 AM |
#156 |
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right |
William Z. Foster |
May-17-10 12:15 AM |
#157 |
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WTF are you talking about? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 08:28 AM |
#169 |
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fine |
William Z. Foster |
May-17-10 04:54 PM |
#195 |
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"doing nothing" only an option when it's poor black people carrying the burden |
Hannah Bell |
May-16-10 11:17 AM |
#147 |
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No. Doing nothing is NOT and option. |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 05:21 PM |
#148 |
| -
they've been "doing nothing" for decades. suddenly it's not an option because *you're* on the scene? |
Hannah Bell |
May-16-10 06:27 PM |
#149 |
| -
Ummm.... so you really have no ideas? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 11:06 PM |
#150 |
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I have plenty of ideas. It's not like if i waste my time telling you about them they're |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 04:14 AM |
#162 |
| -
Ummm |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 08:33 AM |
#171 |
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I was not wrong |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 11:59 PM |
#155 |
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75% of michigan charters are managed for-profit, but all those in detroit are non-profit? |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 03:02 AM |
#159 |
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Please name the Detroit charters owned by for-profits |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 08:15 AM |
#165 |
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i've claimed that 75% of michigan charters are managed for-profit, |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 09:33 PM |
#198 |
| -
what are you arguing about? |
William Z. Foster |
May-17-10 04:56 PM |
#196 |
| -
I have a problem with... |
LuckyTheDog |
May-18-10 04:56 PM |
#202 |
| -
You've been stunningly wrong wrt to Detroit though. It's OK if you don't live here and have INSIGHT. |
Romulox |
May-12-10 04:12 PM |
#36 |
| -
I'm a former resident of Oakland under Bobb's tenure here. |
Starry Messenger |
May-12-10 04:24 PM |
#39 |
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The poster in question has offered nothing but *characterizations*, no facts. |
Romulox |
May-12-10 04:32 PM |
#40 |
| -
Google "Hantz Farms" |
Starry Messenger |
May-12-10 04:39 PM |
#41 |
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According to the Free Press, Mayor Bing opposes the Hantz Farms project |
Romulox |
May-12-10 04:45 PM |
#42 |
| -
The Fair Grounds is not their only proposal. |
Starry Messenger |
May-12-10 04:48 PM |
#43 |
| -
Stop. Read. THEN lecture! |
Romulox |
May-12-10 04:50 PM |
#44 |
| -
I've been following this story for months. |
Starry Messenger |
May-12-10 04:58 PM |
#46 |
| -
Your problem with urban farming is what? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 05:59 PM |
#50 |
| -
Did I say I had a problem with it? |
Starry Messenger |
May-12-10 06:03 PM |
#51 |
| -
Ya know what... |
LuckyTheDog |
May-12-10 06:17 PM |
#53 |
| -
I'm just telling you what I'm reading. |
Starry Messenger |
May-12-10 06:46 PM |
#54 |
| -
I'm not sure the farm thing is a scheme |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 08:36 AM |
#61 |
| -
detroit is not particularly "underpopulated" in comparison with other cities. |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 10:49 PM |
#58 |
| -
You should see the vacant land here |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 08:35 AM |
#60 |
| -
via google street view, yes. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 12:34 PM |
#65 |
| -
OK, then |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 03:22 PM |
#76 |
| -
i said nothing like that. & whatever your personal feelings, the last i heard |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 04:29 PM |
#84 |
| -
First off, I don't think anyone will be forced to leave. |
LuckyTheDog |
May-14-10 08:10 PM |
#112 |
| -
well, if *you* don't think so, i'm sure it won't happen. even though the people running your city |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 02:57 AM |
#122 |
| -
City Council has not even debated this, let alone passed a plan |
LuckyTheDog |
May-15-10 06:12 PM |
#139 |
| -
no, their lawyer's just making the case for the plan in the media. what do you think eminent domain |
Hannah Bell |
May-16-10 11:14 AM |
#146 |
| -
The difference being... |
blue_onyx |
May-13-10 10:32 AM |
#63 |
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same area, more people than portland oregon. that's not "misinformation," sorry. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 12:28 PM |
#64 |
| -
You are misinformed |
blue_onyx |
May-13-10 01:19 PM |
#68 |
| -
the facts are correct. so far as density goes, detroit isn't "underpopulated". |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 01:33 PM |
#69 |
| -
So, those tens of thousands of abandoned houses... |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 07:23 PM |
#79 |
| -
If they're abandoned, I have no objection to the city doing whatever it wants with them, & I doubt |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 04:30 PM |
#85 |
| -
See if this will post, never tried it before..... |
Gaedel |
May-14-10 06:45 PM |
#106 |
| -
You are mixing 2 different issues |
LuckyTheDog |
May-14-10 08:04 PM |
#111 |
| -
It's nice that you "favor" that, but that's not what's happening. |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 03:18 AM |
#124 |
| -
No details have been passed by city council |
LuckyTheDog |
May-15-10 06:14 PM |
#140 |
| -
i'm not speculating when the lawyers are in the papers defending the plan. |
Hannah Bell |
May-17-10 02:51 PM |
#188 |
| -
other way around |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 01:00 PM |
#138 |
| -
oh, gosh I don't know |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 05:02 PM |
#90 |
| -
"sucked the wealth out of Detroit"???? |
Gaedel |
May-14-10 06:10 PM |
#98 |
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no |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:22 PM |
#101 |
| -
he doesn't oppose the project, he just doesn't like that particular site. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 12:41 PM |
#67 |
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you're from dearborn. 1.2% black, 86% white, median household income $44K. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 02:02 PM |
#71 |
| -
You can't be serious? |
blue_onyx |
May-13-10 02:20 PM |
#72 |
| -
poster chastises others for not understanding the "details" of life in detroit, but is from dearborn |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 02:58 PM |
#73 |
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YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE STATE!!!! |
blue_onyx |
May-13-10 03:13 PM |
#74 |
| -
don't like the logic when applied tp yourself, do you? |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 03:17 PM |
#75 |
| -
What are you talking about? |
blue_onyx |
May-13-10 03:56 PM |
#78 |
| -
Thanks for that |
LuckyTheDog |
May-13-10 07:28 PM |
#80 |
| -
The people whom Bobb is planning to dispossess for a few thousand also own homes |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 04:34 PM |
#87 |
| -
Where did I say people should be made homeless? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-14-10 08:14 PM |
#113 |
| -
i didn't say you did. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN IS: HOMEOWNERS WHOSE HOMES |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 10:40 PM |
#115 |
| -
I was applying the poster's logic. I don't endorse it, but since he first made the claim |
Hannah Bell |
May-14-10 04:32 PM |
#86 |
| -
damn suburbanites |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 04:36 PM |
#88 |
| -
Nonsense |
blue_onyx |
May-14-10 05:53 PM |
#94 |
| -
oh really? |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:09 PM |
#97 |
| -
Detroiter here |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 04:22 PM |
#82 |
| -
Nice |
blue_onyx |
May-14-10 06:18 PM |
#100 |
| -
didn't say that |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:31 PM |
#104 |
| -
Ok... |
blue_onyx |
May-14-10 06:49 PM |
#107 |
| -
look |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:59 PM |
#108 |
| -
No I don't know it |
blue_onyx |
May-14-10 07:23 PM |
#110 |
| -
racism does not go "both ways" |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 08:24 PM |
#114 |
| -
So much bullshit |
blue_onyx |
May-14-10 11:33 PM |
#116 |
| -
You would do yourself a favor to ignore these two |
Egnever |
May-15-10 03:53 AM |
#126 |
| -
Speaking of tag teams... it's mr. contentless personal attack himself. |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 04:02 AM |
#128 |
| -
I think it was valuable |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 12:45 PM |
#134 |
| -
it was. their only argument was "you don't know because you're not from detroit". |
Hannah Bell |
May-15-10 11:04 PM |
#145 |
| -
Detroit destroyed public transport |
Gaedel |
May-15-10 05:15 AM |
#130 |
| -
massive pressure |
William Z. Foster |
May-15-10 12:56 PM |
#137 |
| -
86 per cent white for Dearborn |
Gaedel |
May-17-10 04:54 AM |
#163 |
| -
ever evolving |
William Z. Foster |
May-17-10 04:52 PM |
#194 |
| -
sez you. other detroiters disagree. |
Hannah Bell |
May-12-10 10:32 PM |
#57 |
| -
Ask the OP or the poster you're responding to if they support the UAW. Guardian Angels of Detroit? |
Romulox |
May-12-10 04:12 PM |
#37 |
| -
like bob isn't corrupt. like kilpatrick's corruption wasn't encouraged & abetted by the ptb. |
Hannah Bell |
May-13-10 01:42 PM |
#70 |
| -
kick (too late to rec) |
amborin |
May-12-10 04:10 PM |
#35 |
| -
kick |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 04:56 PM |
#89 |
| -
It's been an illuminating thread. |
Starry Messenger |
May-14-10 05:14 PM |
#91 |
| -
never knew about this Bobb character's damage to my Oakland, thanks! |
NuttyFluffers |
May-15-10 05:47 AM |
#131 |
| -
Got any ideas? |
LuckyTheDog |
May-15-10 06:29 PM |
#142 |
| -
I have been civil to you. |
Starry Messenger |
May-15-10 08:36 PM |
#143 |
| -
OK... so no ideas from you. |
LuckyTheDog |
May-16-10 11:52 PM |
#154 |
| -
Oh I have ideas. |
Starry Messenger |
May-17-10 12:30 AM |
#158 |
| -
LOL |
LuckyTheDog |
May-17-10 08:22 AM |
#168 |
| -
Thanks for getting it. It is not a post about Detroit really.. |
madfloridian |
May-14-10 06:11 PM |
#99 |
| -
Totally Wrong |
Gaedel |
May-14-10 06:29 PM |
#102 |
| -
depends |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 06:45 PM |
#105 |
| -
the specific suburbs |
William Z. Foster |
May-14-10 07:22 PM |
#109 |
| -
if the school system was designed for 2 million kids... and there are only |
greencharlie |
May-14-10 06:30 PM |
#103 |
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Oh, come on. You can make adjustments without bulldozing the schools. |
madfloridian |
May-15-10 12:32 AM |
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Detroit Public Schools |
Gaedel |
May-15-10 10:51 AM |
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Detroit's special needs schools at risk |
Starry Messenger |
May-15-10 12:49 PM |
#135 |
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Starry |
Gaedel |
May-17-10 08:10 AM |
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Thank you Gaedel, I appreciate the response. |
Starry Messenger |
May-17-10 08:32 AM |
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If I were Bobb.... |
Gaedel |
May-17-10 09:38 AM |
#172 |
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I Live Near Detroit, Lived in Detroit and Taught ACT Prep in DPS |
DimplesinMI |
May-17-10 10:39 AM |
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Interesting perspective |
tammywammy |
May-17-10 12:53 PM |
#177 |
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