| 102. Exactly! The S. American countries they exploited for decades have woken up |
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Venezuela, one of the first Chavez did was to pay off Ven. debt to the World Bank, and that is one reason why they hate him.
Now, they are in Europe. Greece should have threatened to default on their debt, to drop out of the restrictive EU and do what Chavez did, turn to Russia and South America if they needed it. Once out of the EU they can start exporting again, which they are restricted from doing as part of the EU.
|
| -Greek rioting is a Euro version of our 'no tax' crowd |
sixmile |
May-06-10 03:28 PM |
#0 |
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I think not. |
ShortnFiery |
May-06-10 03:30 PM |
#1 |
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I beg to differ |
sixmile |
May-06-10 03:33 PM |
#2 |
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But what if a tax cheater is Secretary of Treasury? |
howaboutme |
May-06-10 03:50 PM |
#19 |
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Well said ~ the idea that Greece's |
sabrina 1 |
May-06-10 07:34 PM |
#50 |
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Now that is |
howaboutme |
May-06-10 07:46 PM |
#52 |
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It's not that capitalism failed... |
MellowDem |
May-06-10 09:54 PM |
#59 |
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fine |
William Z. Foster |
May-10-10 11:44 PM |
#203 |
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+100000,0000000 |
DJ13 |
May-06-10 03:33 PM |
#3 |
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thats where my divining rod is going on this .... |
Whisp |
May-06-10 03:51 PM |
#21 |
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I wouldn't be suprised to learn the weathly are not payng their taxes |
Arctic Dave |
May-06-10 03:34 PM |
#4 |
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That IS, in fact, what's going on. |
readmoreoften |
May-06-10 03:37 PM |
#7 |
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You're absolutely right, that is what is happening. |
sabrina 1 |
May-06-10 03:49 PM |
#17 |
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What banksters? Who? Where? |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-06-10 03:38 PM |
#9 |
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Well the reason Greece is in this pickle is Goldman Sachs played |
Rex |
May-06-10 03:59 PM |
#29 |
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Goldman Sachs: |
SOS |
May-08-10 01:37 PM |
#131 |
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For that to be true they would had to actually PAY taxes. Tax evasion is virtually 100% in Greece. |
Statistical |
May-06-10 03:46 PM |
#14 |
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Total tax revenue as percentage of GDP: |
SOS |
May-08-10 02:16 PM |
#138 |
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They have a hefty VAT as well as an income tax |
hack89 |
May-08-10 03:17 PM |
#145 |
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so which is it? |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 08:01 PM |
#162 |
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Its simple |
hack89 |
May-08-10 08:10 PM |
#163 |
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right |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 09:08 PM |
#168 |
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But what if dad maxes out his credit cards |
hack89 |
May-08-10 09:18 PM |
#169 |
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clue |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 11:46 PM |
#171 |
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correction: consumers can't avoid vat, but businesses can, & some businesses (e.g. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 01:21 PM |
#178 |
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Then Greece is doubly screwed up. nt |
hack89 |
May-09-10 01:52 PM |
#179 |
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the exemptions for financial services hold all across europe. it ain't just a greek thing. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 02:35 PM |
#185 |
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So what do you see as a equitable solution |
hack89 |
May-09-10 03:23 PM |
#186 |
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taxing the rich. let them pay for their own bailout. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 05:44 PM |
#191 |
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Will that be enough? |
hack89 |
May-09-10 06:05 PM |
#192 |
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of course it is enough |
William Z. Foster |
May-09-10 09:51 PM |
#194 |
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first, if greece is anything like the rest of the world, its top 10% gets about half its income. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 10:46 PM |
#195 |
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The spending I am talking about |
hack89 |
May-10-10 09:58 AM |
#197 |
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what do you think pensions & economic subsidies are FOR? |
Hannah Bell |
May-10-10 08:43 PM |
#199 |
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+1 and I can't believe someone is rehashing this RW story |
JCMach1 |
May-06-10 03:50 PM |
#18 |
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How is it right wing? |
nxylas |
May-08-10 02:09 PM |
#137 |
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I posted this as a pro-tax Democrat economic realist |
sixmile |
May-08-10 02:44 PM |
#142 |
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You don't have a clue of what you are talking about....... |
BooScout |
May-06-10 04:23 PM |
#39 |
| -
So you are buying into the lie that |
sabrina 1 |
May-06-10 08:33 PM |
#56 |
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Yes, because Now Goldman Sachs is "The Little People". |
TheWatcher |
May-06-10 10:06 PM |
#64 |
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Oh, Good God. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-06-10 11:00 PM |
#74 |
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Almost all countries have debt. That is the way things are |
sabrina 1 |
May-07-10 12:19 AM |
#78 |
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Saying that all countries have debt is like saying that all consumers have debt. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-07-10 01:20 AM |
#93 |
| -
no it isn't |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 04:57 PM |
#108 |
| -
Very good post, thank you! |
sabrina 1 |
May-07-10 07:17 PM |
#112 |
| -
What investors? What bankers? |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-07-10 10:25 PM |
#117 |
| -
are you kidding? |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 11:45 PM |
#119 |
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So basically you can't answer the question. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-08-10 02:49 PM |
#143 |
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there is no answer |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 05:43 PM |
#153 |
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They collapse when governments hide debt to avoid making hard choices |
hack89 |
May-08-10 03:29 PM |
#147 |
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sure |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 05:55 PM |
#154 |
| -
So how do you propose to fix the mess? |
hack89 |
May-08-10 06:29 PM |
#155 |
| -
glad to see that |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 07:48 PM |
#158 |
| -
So what should be done? |
hack89 |
May-08-10 07:55 PM |
#159 |
| -
that makes no sense |
William Z. Foster |
May-09-10 12:00 AM |
#173 |
| -
Is Greece run by the investor class? |
hack89 |
May-08-10 07:57 PM |
#160 |
| -
hmmm... |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 09:01 PM |
#165 |
| -
Are the elected politicians complicit in the conspiracy |
hack89 |
May-08-10 09:03 PM |
#166 |
| -
of course they are |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 11:43 PM |
#170 |
| -
So what happens when the riots end? |
hack89 |
May-09-10 06:02 AM |
#174 |
| -
heh |
William Z. Foster |
May-09-10 03:50 PM |
#187 |
| -
It doesn't sound like there is a way for the workers |
hack89 |
May-09-10 03:56 PM |
#188 |
| -
yes |
William Z. Foster |
May-09-10 04:10 PM |
#189 |
| -
they can't "escape" unless they have a way to continue sucking from the public teat. |
Hannah Bell |
May-10-10 08:45 PM |
#200 |
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important point |
William Z. Foster |
May-10-10 11:48 PM |
#204 |
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Whattaya know. |
cliffordu |
May-06-10 07:11 PM |
#49 |
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Yeah, and fuck those who had their pensions and benefits cut |
Oregone |
May-06-10 03:35 PM |
#5 |
| -
This wins "The Most Ignorant Post of the Year" Award. |
readmoreoften |
May-06-10 03:37 PM |
#6 |
| -
I think someone here doesn't know what "austerity measures" means |
Oregone |
May-06-10 03:39 PM |
#10 |
| -
These OPs always leave out the fact that only the working class |
Rex |
May-06-10 03:39 PM |
#11 |
| -
Not all of them |
SpartanDem |
May-06-10 03:48 PM |
#16 |
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It doesn't matter. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 12:29 AM |
#80 |
| -
So far on DU this week |
SOS |
May-08-10 04:46 PM |
#150 |
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Everyone in Greece is a tax evader. Like 100% of the population. |
Statistical |
May-06-10 03:51 PM |
#20 |
| -
Yep |
Dappleganger |
May-06-10 03:54 PM |
#24 |
| -
they are "illegals!" |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 05:01 PM |
#109 |
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Not at all |
malaise |
May-06-10 03:38 PM |
#8 |
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It's not just that. |
Dappleganger |
May-06-10 03:41 PM |
#12 |
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14 months' pay for 12 months of work |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 07:34 PM |
#113 |
| -
Retiring at 50? False |
SOS |
May-08-10 01:46 PM |
#134 |
| -
there is a real problem here |
William Z. Foster |
May-09-10 01:08 PM |
#176 |
| -
It's quite remarkable |
SOS |
May-09-10 04:48 PM |
#190 |
| -
remarkable how posters keep repeating the lie. |
Hannah Bell |
May-10-10 01:27 AM |
#196 |
| -
What garbage from the NYT, mouthpiece for |
sabrina 1 |
May-06-10 03:45 PM |
#13 |
| -
Well said! |
DJ13 |
May-06-10 04:50 PM |
#42 |
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Bravo. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 12:39 AM |
#81 |
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the ny times |
amborin |
May-07-10 12:56 AM |
#87 |
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A search of the NYT site |
SOS |
May-08-10 01:52 PM |
#135 |
| -
Exactly the Greece rioters are the European version of Teabaggers. |
Statistical |
May-06-10 03:48 PM |
#15 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-06-10 03:52 PM |
#23 |
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Well evidently it is all about class warfare. They just cannot admit it. |
Rex |
May-06-10 03:55 PM |
#25 |
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Tax evasion is virtually universal in Greece. |
Statistical |
May-06-10 03:57 PM |
#27 |
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What's your source for the claim? Upthread you even said 100%. That's quite a statistic, Statistical |
Electric Monk |
May-06-10 04:06 PM |
#32 |
| -
There's a cite in the OP! |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-06-10 04:15 PM |
#35 |
| -
100% ? |
Electric Monk |
May-06-10 04:18 PM |
#37 |
| -
The most ironically named poster on DU. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 12:40 AM |
#82 |
| -
They sure seemed to have $100 million to bail out their banks. |
laughingliberal |
May-07-10 12:47 AM |
#84 |
| -
Actually I'm surprised by your total ignorance of the situation |
Mudoria |
May-06-10 05:18 PM |
#45 |
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No, it's a lot easier to blame the working class, the home-buyer |
sabrina 1 |
May-06-10 06:57 PM |
#47 |
| -
The problem lies with the Greek government... |
MellowDem |
May-06-10 10:02 PM |
#62 |
| -
and guess who *owns* the greek government |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 02:07 PM |
#180 |
| -
100% correct, as usual. nt |
laughingliberal |
May-07-10 12:51 AM |
#85 |
| -
Have you ever tried to deal with the amazingly difficult concept... |
Silent3 |
May-07-10 03:25 PM |
#103 |
| -
Sure, I already acknowledged some of the problems |
sabrina 1 |
May-07-10 09:34 PM |
#116 |
| -
Aside from the loaded vocabulary you use I'm not denying... |
Silent3 |
May-08-10 03:28 PM |
#146 |
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Well said n/t |
RoyGBiv |
May-08-10 03:35 PM |
#149 |
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Every country has its own internal problems. But once |
sabrina 1 |
May-08-10 04:46 PM |
#151 |
| -
Not all internal problems are equal. |
Silent3 |
May-08-10 05:21 PM |
#152 |
| -
yeah, that is it |
William Z. Foster |
May-10-10 10:42 PM |
#201 |
| -
The Greeks should aim their anger at their government |
hack89 |
May-08-10 03:31 PM |
#148 |
| -
No, the problem is not that the government spent too much.. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 12:43 AM |
#83 |
| -
But Japan didn't try to hide its debt with risky investments |
hack89 |
May-08-10 08:01 PM |
#161 |
| -
japan finances its debt internally. & it actually has much *more* debt as a percent of gdp. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 02:16 PM |
#181 |
| -
the usual mantra? |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 07:46 PM |
#114 |
| -
Great questions! //nt |
Overseas |
May-09-10 01:15 PM |
#177 |
| -
They're protesting having higher taxes and |
MellowDem |
May-06-10 09:58 PM |
#60 |
| -
Greece's spending supported Europe's manufacturing-based economies.. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 12:54 AM |
#86 |
| -
That's not true... |
MellowDem |
May-07-10 12:57 PM |
#97 |
| -
greece's entire gdp is less than US Social Security spending for one year. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 02:22 PM |
#182 |
| -
Please provide some link/evidence that Greece has been reducing spending. |
Statistical |
May-07-10 01:03 PM |
#99 |
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Please provide some link/evidence that tax evasion in Greece is 100%. I'm still waiting. |
Electric Monk |
May-07-10 03:31 PM |
#105 |
| -
page 2, statistical: |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 02:25 PM |
#183 |
| -
So, commies and anarchists are teabaggers? |
blindpig |
May-06-10 04:22 PM |
#38 |
| -
Anarchists, libertarians, same difference... |
MellowDem |
May-06-10 10:04 PM |
#63 |
| -
yeah "same difference" |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 05:03 PM |
#110 |
| -
Same thing for Portugal, Italy, Spain, Hungary, Iceland, etc? |
Electric Monk |
May-06-10 03:52 PM |
#22 |
| -
Yes, they are all tax cheats!!!11 |
Bluebear |
May-06-10 04:07 PM |
#34 |
| -
Exactly, see my post above, I just made the same point. |
sabrina 1 |
May-06-10 07:00 PM |
#48 |
| -
"Greek tax evaders" = "inner city minority borrowers" |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 01:01 AM |
#89 |
| -
excellent |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 11:49 PM |
#120 |
| -
Exactly! nt |
SOS |
May-08-10 02:36 PM |
#140 |
| -
If they are mad at their government... |
MellowDem |
May-06-10 10:07 PM |
#65 |
| -
really? |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 11:57 PM |
#121 |
| -
Quite a lot actually... |
MellowDem |
May-08-10 01:32 AM |
#125 |
| -
fascinating post |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 12:09 PM |
#128 |
| -
I don't think the people in charge are "doing just fine"... |
MellowDem |
May-09-10 06:13 PM |
#193 |
| -
your post is based on ignorance. |
Hannah Bell |
May-09-10 02:27 PM |
#184 |
| -
OliveBaggers? n/t |
Ian David |
May-06-10 03:57 PM |
#26 |
| -
Communist union worker teabaggers? Please. |
Flaneur |
May-06-10 03:58 PM |
#28 |
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That is only part of the story, |
MadHound |
May-06-10 03:59 PM |
#30 |
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They're already in massive debt and it has nothing to do with the IMF. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-06-10 04:07 PM |
#33 |
| -
I'm not speaking of what has happened in the past |
MadHound |
May-06-10 04:25 PM |
#41 |
| -
Well then who would you prefer to bail them out? |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-06-10 05:21 PM |
#46 |
| -
Please, go check out what has happened in every other country where the IMF has done a major bailout |
MadHound |
May-06-10 11:53 PM |
#77 |
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You still are COMPLETELY ignoring the question the poster is asking. |
BzaDem |
May-07-10 01:14 AM |
#92 |
| -
they don't need to be bailed out |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 12:03 AM |
#123 |
| -
They don't need to be bailed out? Really? |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-08-10 03:05 PM |
#144 |
| -
yep, really |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 11:50 PM |
#172 |
| -
That answers absolutely none of my questions. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-07-10 01:24 AM |
#95 |
| -
who cares? |
William Z. Foster |
May-10-10 01:56 PM |
#198 |
| -
Any country that has found itself in the clutches of the IMF |
sabrina 1 |
May-07-10 02:38 PM |
#100 |
| -
Paul Krugman says Greece may leave the EU |
SOS |
May-08-10 02:02 PM |
#136 |
| -
Everybody is repeating "Shock Doctrine".................. |
socialist_n_TN |
May-06-10 09:02 PM |
#57 |
| -
No it ISN'T what's happening. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
May-06-10 10:44 PM |
#73 |
| -
Exactly! The S. American countries they exploited for decades have woken up |
sabrina 1 |
May-07-10 02:49 PM |
#102 |
| -
With or without the IMF, they are in debt and impoverished... |
MellowDem |
May-06-10 10:09 PM |
#68 |
| -
Not so fast. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 01:04 AM |
#90 |
| -
Defaulting? nt |
MellowDem |
May-07-10 01:03 PM |
#98 |
| -
Argentina defaulted and recovered beautifully. |
SOS |
May-08-10 02:39 PM |
#141 |
| -
Only if American Idol is cancelled! |
laughingliberal |
May-07-10 12:56 AM |
#88 |
| -
Yeah, working people rioting for what they earned makes them "tax cheats". Honestly. |
Bluebear |
May-06-10 04:01 PM |
#31 |
| -
goddamn.... WOW... just WOW |
fascisthunter |
May-06-10 04:16 PM |
#36 |
| -
Yeah, and atheism is a religion. And affirmative action is reverse racism. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-06-10 04:24 PM |
#40 |
| -
Sounds Like |
Kalun D |
May-06-10 04:52 PM |
#43 |
| -
No, it's more like the exact opposite |
DatManFromNawlins |
May-06-10 05:14 PM |
#44 |
| -
***HERE*** is what those "tax cheaters" are being asked to stomach: |
Bluebear |
May-06-10 07:36 PM |
#51 |
| -
But he has nothing to Copy/Paste in response to that. |
TheWatcher |
May-06-10 10:09 PM |
#67 |
| -
wondered how long that would take |
William Z. Foster |
May-06-10 07:59 PM |
#53 |
| -
That wasn't the point of the OP |
sixmile |
May-06-10 08:18 PM |
#54 |
| -
oh really? |
William Z. Foster |
May-06-10 08:26 PM |
#55 |
| -
Welcome to DU, WZF |
Bluebear |
May-06-10 09:34 PM |
#58 |
| -
thanks |
William Z. Foster |
May-06-10 10:22 PM |
#71 |
| -
"But I know firsthand how business is done in Greece." |
TheWatcher |
May-06-10 10:00 PM |
#61 |
| -
He watched "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" once. |
Bluebear |
May-06-10 10:08 PM |
#66 |
| -
Isn't it interesting how all these little gnats want us to focus ONLY on Greece. |
TheWatcher |
May-06-10 10:14 PM |
#70 |
| -
latvia is already undergoing the programme. posted on it & got no response from anyone. |
Hannah Bell |
May-06-10 11:46 PM |
#76 |
| -
Unbeleivable. As for you getting no response, I can't say I am surprised. |
TheWatcher |
May-07-10 01:20 AM |
#94 |
| -
AAAAAND He Stayed At A Holdiay Inn Express Last Night. |
TheWatcher |
May-06-10 10:43 PM |
#72 |
| -
tell it to exxon. |
Hannah Bell |
May-07-10 02:20 AM |
#96 |
| -
It's a repulsive way of thinking |
LBJDemocrat |
May-06-10 10:11 PM |
#69 |
| -
Yes, and welcome to DU, btw. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 01:06 AM |
#91 |
| -
And your post, my friend, is a textbook example of telling it like it is. |
JVS |
May-08-10 12:02 AM |
#122 |
| -
piffle |
Hannah Bell |
May-06-10 11:42 PM |
#75 |
| -
What complete bullshit. |
girl gone mad |
May-07-10 12:20 AM |
#79 |
| -
Another flaming propaganda post, imagine that. |
Greyhound |
May-07-10 02:40 PM |
#101 |
| -
Greeks just do not want to have to change their lives |
and-justice-for-all |
May-07-10 03:28 PM |
#104 |
| -
well, you know how "they" are |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 04:46 PM |
#107 |
| -
What the fuck are you talking about?? |
and-justice-for-all |
May-08-10 07:22 PM |
#156 |
| -
Tax cheats, yeah, that's it.... |
freddie mertz |
May-07-10 03:32 PM |
#106 |
| -
probably smokers, too |
William Z. Foster |
May-07-10 05:29 PM |
#111 |
| -
That seems to be the tone. |
freddie mertz |
May-08-10 01:41 PM |
#133 |
| -
Not really. |
moondust |
May-07-10 08:12 PM |
#115 |
| -
Most - no - ALL of the negative responses |
FarrenH |
May-07-10 11:12 PM |
#118 |
| -
you mock people? |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 12:13 AM |
#124 |
| -
YOU are awash in a sea of pro-owner propaganda |
FarrenH |
May-08-10 01:59 AM |
#126 |
| -
"Greece has a socialist government" |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 12:25 PM |
#129 |
| -
Yes, yes -- "ALL." Every last one. |
moondust |
May-08-10 01:06 PM |
#130 |
| -
Good point. As best as I can see it, the Greeks, at this point, are protesting against Math. |
smalll |
May-08-10 02:03 AM |
#127 |
| -
When I wrote that |
FarrenH |
May-08-10 01:38 PM |
#132 |
| -
a different view |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 02:20 PM |
#139 |
| -
Yet according to an upthread post..................... |
socialist_n_TN |
May-09-10 10:17 AM |
#175 |
| -
Pure BS..... and if you want to find the biggest tax cheats in the world.... |
althecat |
May-08-10 07:30 PM |
#157 |
| -
I think we have a clear picture now |
William Z. Foster |
May-08-10 08:53 PM |
#164 |
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You are comparing apples with cinder blocks! |
IndianaGreen |
May-08-10 09:06 PM |
#167 |
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oh oh |
William Z. Foster |
May-10-10 11:35 PM |
#202 |
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The wealthy Greeks left long ago |
ultracase24 |
May-11-10 12:05 AM |
#205 |
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