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24. Yep
and we need to be careful to not incorrectly apply our own American problems to what is going on in Greece today.
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  -Greek rioting is a Euro version of our 'no tax' crowd sixmile  May-06-10 03:28 PM   #0 
  - I think not.  ShortnFiery   May-06-10 03:30 PM   #1 
  - I beg to differ  sixmile   May-06-10 03:33 PM   #2 
  - But what if a tax cheater is Secretary of Treasury?  howaboutme   May-06-10 03:50 PM   #19 
     - Well said ~ the idea that Greece's  sabrina 1   May-06-10 07:34 PM   #50 
        - Now that is  howaboutme   May-06-10 07:46 PM   #52 
        - It's not that capitalism failed...  MellowDem   May-06-10 09:54 PM   #59 
           - fine  William Z. Foster   May-10-10 11:44 PM   #203 
  - +100000,0000000  DJ13   May-06-10 03:33 PM   #3 
  - thats where my divining rod is going on this ....  Whisp   May-06-10 03:51 PM   #21 
  - I wouldn't be suprised to learn the weathly are not payng their taxes  Arctic Dave   May-06-10 03:34 PM   #4 
  - That IS, in fact, what's going on.  readmoreoften   May-06-10 03:37 PM   #7 
  - You're absolutely right, that is what is happening.  sabrina 1   May-06-10 03:49 PM   #17 
  - What banksters? Who? Where?  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-06-10 03:38 PM   #9 
  - Well the reason Greece is in this pickle is Goldman Sachs played  Rex   May-06-10 03:59 PM   #29 
  - Goldman Sachs:  SOS   May-08-10 01:37 PM   #131 
  - For that to be true they would had to actually PAY taxes. Tax evasion is virtually 100% in Greece.  Statistical   May-06-10 03:46 PM   #14 
  - Total tax revenue as percentage of GDP:  SOS   May-08-10 02:16 PM   #138 
     - They have a hefty VAT as well as an income tax  hack89   May-08-10 03:17 PM   #145 
        - so which is it?  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 08:01 PM   #162 
           - Its simple  hack89   May-08-10 08:10 PM   #163 
              - right  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 09:08 PM   #168 
              - But what if dad maxes out his credit cards  hack89   May-08-10 09:18 PM   #169 
                 - clue  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 11:46 PM   #171 
              - correction: consumers can't avoid vat, but businesses can, & some businesses (e.g.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 01:21 PM   #178 
                 - Then Greece is doubly screwed up. nt  hack89   May-09-10 01:52 PM   #179 
                    - the exemptions for financial services hold all across europe. it ain't just a greek thing.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 02:35 PM   #185 
                       - So what do you see as a equitable solution  hack89   May-09-10 03:23 PM   #186 
                          - taxing the rich. let them pay for their own bailout.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 05:44 PM   #191 
                             - Will that be enough?  hack89   May-09-10 06:05 PM   #192 
                                - of course it is enough  William Z. Foster   May-09-10 09:51 PM   #194 
                                - first, if greece is anything like the rest of the world, its top 10% gets about half its income.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 10:46 PM   #195 
                                   - The spending I am talking about  hack89   May-10-10 09:58 AM   #197 
                                      - what do you think pensions & economic subsidies are FOR?  Hannah Bell   May-10-10 08:43 PM   #199 
  - +1 and I can't believe someone is rehashing this RW story  JCMach1   May-06-10 03:50 PM   #18 
  - How is it right wing?  nxylas   May-08-10 02:09 PM   #137 
     - I posted this as a pro-tax Democrat economic realist  sixmile   May-08-10 02:44 PM   #142 
  - You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.......  BooScout   May-06-10 04:23 PM   #39 
  - So you are buying into the lie that  sabrina 1   May-06-10 08:33 PM   #56 
     - Yes, because Now Goldman Sachs is "The Little People".  TheWatcher   May-06-10 10:06 PM   #64 
     - Oh, Good God.  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-06-10 11:00 PM   #74 
        - Almost all countries have debt. That is the way things are  sabrina 1   May-07-10 12:19 AM   #78 
           - Saying that all countries have debt is like saying that all consumers have debt.  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-07-10 01:20 AM   #93 
           - no it isn't  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 04:57 PM   #108 
              - Very good post, thank you!  sabrina 1   May-07-10 07:17 PM   #112 
              - What investors? What bankers?  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-07-10 10:25 PM   #117 
                 - are you kidding?  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 11:45 PM   #119 
                    - So basically you can't answer the question.  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-08-10 02:49 PM   #143 
                       - there is no answer  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 05:43 PM   #153 
           - They collapse when governments hide debt to avoid making hard choices  hack89   May-08-10 03:29 PM   #147 
              - sure  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 05:55 PM   #154 
                 - So how do you propose to fix the mess?  hack89   May-08-10 06:29 PM   #155 
                    - glad to see that  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 07:48 PM   #158 
                       - So what should be done?  hack89   May-08-10 07:55 PM   #159 
                       - that makes no sense  William Z. Foster   May-09-10 12:00 AM   #173 
                       - Is Greece run by the investor class?  hack89   May-08-10 07:57 PM   #160 
                          - hmmm...  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 09:01 PM   #165 
                             - Are the elected politicians complicit in the conspiracy  hack89   May-08-10 09:03 PM   #166 
                                - of course they are  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 11:43 PM   #170 
                                   - So what happens when the riots end?  hack89   May-09-10 06:02 AM   #174 
                                      - heh  William Z. Foster   May-09-10 03:50 PM   #187 
                                         - It doesn't sound like there is a way for the workers  hack89   May-09-10 03:56 PM   #188 
                                            - yes  William Z. Foster   May-09-10 04:10 PM   #189 
                                            - they can't "escape" unless they have a way to continue sucking from the public teat.  Hannah Bell   May-10-10 08:45 PM   #200 
                                               - important point  William Z. Foster   May-10-10 11:48 PM   #204 
  - Whattaya know.  cliffordu   May-06-10 07:11 PM   #49 
  - Yeah, and fuck those who had their pensions and benefits cut  Oregone   May-06-10 03:35 PM   #5 
  - This wins "The Most Ignorant Post of the Year" Award.  readmoreoften   May-06-10 03:37 PM   #6 
  - I think someone here doesn't know what "austerity measures" means  Oregone   May-06-10 03:39 PM   #10 
  - These OPs always leave out the fact that only the working class  Rex   May-06-10 03:39 PM   #11 
  - Not all of them  SpartanDem   May-06-10 03:48 PM   #16 
  - It doesn't matter.  girl gone mad   May-07-10 12:29 AM   #80 
  - So far on DU this week  SOS   May-08-10 04:46 PM   #150 
  - Everyone in Greece is a tax evader. Like 100% of the population.  Statistical   May-06-10 03:51 PM   #20 
     - Yep  Dappleganger   May-06-10 03:54 PM   #24 
     - they are "illegals!"  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 05:01 PM   #109 
  - Not at all  malaise   May-06-10 03:38 PM   #8 
  - It's not just that.  Dappleganger   May-06-10 03:41 PM   #12 
  - 14 months' pay for 12 months of work  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 07:34 PM   #113 
  - Retiring at 50? False  SOS   May-08-10 01:46 PM   #134 
     - there is a real problem here  William Z. Foster   May-09-10 01:08 PM   #176 
        - It's quite remarkable  SOS   May-09-10 04:48 PM   #190 
           - remarkable how posters keep repeating the lie.  Hannah Bell   May-10-10 01:27 AM   #196 
  - What garbage from the NYT, mouthpiece for  sabrina 1   May-06-10 03:45 PM   #13 
  - Well said!  DJ13   May-06-10 04:50 PM   #42 
  - Bravo.  girl gone mad   May-07-10 12:39 AM   #81 
  - the ny times  amborin   May-07-10 12:56 AM   #87 
  - A search of the NYT site  SOS   May-08-10 01:52 PM   #135 
  - Exactly the Greece rioters are the European version of Teabaggers.  Statistical   May-06-10 03:48 PM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-06-10 03:52 PM   #23 
  - Well evidently it is all about class warfare. They just cannot admit it.  Rex   May-06-10 03:55 PM   #25 
  - Tax evasion is virtually universal in Greece.  Statistical   May-06-10 03:57 PM   #27 
  - What's your source for the claim? Upthread you even said 100%. That's quite a statistic, Statistical  Electric Monk   May-06-10 04:06 PM   #32 
  - There's a cite in the OP!  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-06-10 04:15 PM   #35 
  - 100% ?  Electric Monk   May-06-10 04:18 PM   #37 
  - The most ironically named poster on DU.  girl gone mad   May-07-10 12:40 AM   #82 
  - They sure seemed to have $100 million to bail out their banks.  laughingliberal   May-07-10 12:47 AM   #84 
  - Actually I'm surprised by your total ignorance of the situation  Mudoria   May-06-10 05:18 PM   #45 
  - No, it's a lot easier to blame the working class, the home-buyer  sabrina 1   May-06-10 06:57 PM   #47 
  - The problem lies with the Greek government...  MellowDem   May-06-10 10:02 PM   #62 
  - and guess who *owns* the greek government  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 02:07 PM   #180 
  - 100% correct, as usual. nt  laughingliberal   May-07-10 12:51 AM   #85 
  - Have you ever tried to deal with the amazingly difficult concept...  Silent3   May-07-10 03:25 PM   #103 
  - Sure, I already acknowledged some of the problems  sabrina 1   May-07-10 09:34 PM   #116 
     - Aside from the loaded vocabulary you use I'm not denying...  Silent3   May-08-10 03:28 PM   #146 
        - Well said n/t  RoyGBiv   May-08-10 03:35 PM   #149 
        - Every country has its own internal problems. But once  sabrina 1   May-08-10 04:46 PM   #151 
        - Not all internal problems are equal.  Silent3   May-08-10 05:21 PM   #152 
        - yeah, that is it  William Z. Foster   May-10-10 10:42 PM   #201 
  - The Greeks should aim their anger at their government  hack89   May-08-10 03:31 PM   #148 
  - No, the problem is not that the government spent too much..  girl gone mad   May-07-10 12:43 AM   #83 
  - But Japan didn't try to hide its debt with risky investments  hack89   May-08-10 08:01 PM   #161 
     - japan finances its debt internally. & it actually has much *more* debt as a percent of gdp.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 02:16 PM   #181 
  - the usual mantra?  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 07:46 PM   #114 
     - Great questions! //nt  Overseas   May-09-10 01:15 PM   #177 
  - They're protesting having higher taxes and  MellowDem   May-06-10 09:58 PM   #60 
     - Greece's spending supported Europe's manufacturing-based economies..  girl gone mad   May-07-10 12:54 AM   #86 
        - That's not true...  MellowDem   May-07-10 12:57 PM   #97 
        - greece's entire gdp is less than US Social Security spending for one year.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 02:22 PM   #182 
        - Please provide some link/evidence that Greece has been reducing spending.  Statistical   May-07-10 01:03 PM   #99 
           - Please provide some link/evidence that tax evasion in Greece is 100%. I'm still waiting.  Electric Monk   May-07-10 03:31 PM   #105 
           - page 2, statistical:  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 02:25 PM   #183 
  - So, commies and anarchists are teabaggers?  blindpig   May-06-10 04:22 PM   #38 
     - Anarchists, libertarians, same difference...  MellowDem   May-06-10 10:04 PM   #63 
        - yeah "same difference"  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 05:03 PM   #110 
  - Same thing for Portugal, Italy, Spain, Hungary, Iceland, etc?  Electric Monk   May-06-10 03:52 PM   #22 
  - Yes, they are all tax cheats!!!11  Bluebear   May-06-10 04:07 PM   #34 
  - Exactly, see my post above, I just made the same point.  sabrina 1   May-06-10 07:00 PM   #48 
  - "Greek tax evaders" = "inner city minority borrowers"  girl gone mad   May-07-10 01:01 AM   #89 
     - excellent  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 11:49 PM   #120 
     - Exactly! nt  SOS   May-08-10 02:36 PM   #140 
  - If they are mad at their government...  MellowDem   May-06-10 10:07 PM   #65 
     - really?  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 11:57 PM   #121 
        - Quite a lot actually...  MellowDem   May-08-10 01:32 AM   #125 
           - fascinating post  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 12:09 PM   #128 
           - I don't think the people in charge are "doing just fine"...  MellowDem   May-09-10 06:13 PM   #193 
           - your post is based on ignorance.  Hannah Bell   May-09-10 02:27 PM   #184 
  - OliveBaggers? n/t  Ian David   May-06-10 03:57 PM   #26 
  - Communist union worker teabaggers? Please.  Flaneur   May-06-10 03:58 PM   #28 
  - That is only part of the story,  MadHound   May-06-10 03:59 PM   #30 
  - They're already in massive debt and it has nothing to do with the IMF.  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-06-10 04:07 PM   #33 
  - I'm not speaking of what has happened in the past  MadHound   May-06-10 04:25 PM   #41 
  - Well then who would you prefer to bail them out?  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-06-10 05:21 PM   #46 
     - Please, go check out what has happened in every other country where the IMF has done a major bailout  MadHound   May-06-10 11:53 PM   #77 
     - You still are COMPLETELY ignoring the question the poster is asking.  BzaDem   May-07-10 01:14 AM   #92 
     - they don't need to be bailed out  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 12:03 AM   #123 
        - They don't need to be bailed out? Really?  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-08-10 03:05 PM   #144 
           - yep, really  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 11:50 PM   #172 
     - That answers absolutely none of my questions.  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-07-10 01:24 AM   #95 
        - who cares?  William Z. Foster   May-10-10 01:56 PM   #198 
     - Any country that has found itself in the clutches of the IMF  sabrina 1   May-07-10 02:38 PM   #100 
     - Paul Krugman says Greece may leave the EU  SOS   May-08-10 02:02 PM   #136 
  - Everybody is repeating "Shock Doctrine"..................  socialist_n_TN   May-06-10 09:02 PM   #57 
     - No it ISN'T what's happening.  Cessna Invesco Palin   May-06-10 10:44 PM   #73 
     - Exactly! The S. American countries they exploited for decades have woken up  sabrina 1   May-07-10 02:49 PM   #102 
  - With or without the IMF, they are in debt and impoverished...  MellowDem   May-06-10 10:09 PM   #68 
  - Not so fast.  girl gone mad   May-07-10 01:04 AM   #90 
  - Defaulting? nt  MellowDem   May-07-10 01:03 PM   #98 
  - Argentina defaulted and recovered beautifully.  SOS   May-08-10 02:39 PM   #141 
  - Only if American Idol is cancelled!  laughingliberal   May-07-10 12:56 AM   #88 
  - Yeah, working people rioting for what they earned makes them "tax cheats". Honestly.  Bluebear   May-06-10 04:01 PM   #31 
  - goddamn.... WOW... just WOW  fascisthunter   May-06-10 04:16 PM   #36 
  - Yeah, and atheism is a religion. And affirmative action is reverse racism.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-06-10 04:24 PM   #40 
  - Sounds Like  Kalun D   May-06-10 04:52 PM   #43 
  - No, it's more like the exact opposite  DatManFromNawlins   May-06-10 05:14 PM   #44 
  - ***HERE*** is what those "tax cheaters" are being asked to stomach:  Bluebear   May-06-10 07:36 PM   #51 
  - But he has nothing to Copy/Paste in response to that.  TheWatcher   May-06-10 10:09 PM   #67 
  - wondered how long that would take  William Z. Foster   May-06-10 07:59 PM   #53 
  - That wasn't the point of the OP  sixmile   May-06-10 08:18 PM   #54 
  - oh really?  William Z. Foster   May-06-10 08:26 PM   #55 
  - Welcome to DU, WZF  Bluebear   May-06-10 09:34 PM   #58 
     - thanks  William Z. Foster   May-06-10 10:22 PM   #71 
  - "But I know firsthand how business is done in Greece."  TheWatcher   May-06-10 10:00 PM   #61 
  - He watched "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" once.  Bluebear   May-06-10 10:08 PM   #66 
     - Isn't it interesting how all these little gnats want us to focus ONLY on Greece.  TheWatcher   May-06-10 10:14 PM   #70 
     - latvia is already undergoing the programme. posted on it & got no response from anyone.  Hannah Bell   May-06-10 11:46 PM   #76 
        - Unbeleivable. As for you getting no response, I can't say I am surprised.  TheWatcher   May-07-10 01:20 AM   #94 
     - AAAAAND He Stayed At A Holdiay Inn Express Last Night.  TheWatcher   May-06-10 10:43 PM   #72 
  - tell it to exxon.  Hannah Bell   May-07-10 02:20 AM   #96 
  - It's a repulsive way of thinking  LBJDemocrat   May-06-10 10:11 PM   #69 
  - Yes, and welcome to DU, btw.  girl gone mad   May-07-10 01:06 AM   #91 
  - And your post, my friend, is a textbook example of telling it like it is.  JVS   May-08-10 12:02 AM   #122 
  - piffle  Hannah Bell   May-06-10 11:42 PM   #75 
  - What complete bullshit.  girl gone mad   May-07-10 12:20 AM   #79 
  - Another flaming propaganda post, imagine that.  Greyhound   May-07-10 02:40 PM   #101 
  - Greeks just do not want to have to change their lives  and-justice-for-all   May-07-10 03:28 PM   #104 
  - well, you know how "they" are  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 04:46 PM   #107 
     - What the fuck are you talking about??  and-justice-for-all   May-08-10 07:22 PM   #156 
  - Tax cheats, yeah, that's it....  freddie mertz   May-07-10 03:32 PM   #106 
  - probably smokers, too  William Z. Foster   May-07-10 05:29 PM   #111 
     - That seems to be the tone.  freddie mertz   May-08-10 01:41 PM   #133 
  - Not really.  moondust   May-07-10 08:12 PM   #115 
  - Most - no - ALL of the negative responses  FarrenH   May-07-10 11:12 PM   #118 
  - you mock people?  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 12:13 AM   #124 
  - YOU are awash in a sea of pro-owner propaganda  FarrenH   May-08-10 01:59 AM   #126 
     - "Greece has a socialist government"  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 12:25 PM   #129 
  - Yes, yes -- "ALL." Every last one.  moondust   May-08-10 01:06 PM   #130 
  - Good point. As best as I can see it, the Greeks, at this point, are protesting against Math.  smalll   May-08-10 02:03 AM   #127 
  - When I wrote that  FarrenH   May-08-10 01:38 PM   #132 
  - a different view  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 02:20 PM   #139 
  - Yet according to an upthread post.....................  socialist_n_TN   May-09-10 10:17 AM   #175 
  - Pure BS..... and if you want to find the biggest tax cheats in the world....  althecat   May-08-10 07:30 PM   #157 
  - I think we have a clear picture now  William Z. Foster   May-08-10 08:53 PM   #164 
  - You are comparing apples with cinder blocks!  IndianaGreen   May-08-10 09:06 PM   #167 
  - oh oh  William Z. Foster   May-10-10 11:35 PM   #202 
  - The wealthy Greeks left long ago  ultracase24   May-11-10 12:05 AM   #205 
 

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