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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:49 PM
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from the Guardian UK:



Greece erupts in violent protest as citizens face a future of harsh austerity
May Day clashes in Athens as belt-tightening policies are set to reverse rights won by workers over 30 years

Helena Smith in Athens
The Observer, Sunday 2 May 2010


Athens erupted into violence as traditional May Day festivities turned into a bitter protest against draconian austerity measures aimed at tackling Europe's worst debt crisis in decades.

For the tens of thousands of demonstrators who took to the streets in rallies that quickly descended into clashes with riot police, the show of force was just the beginning a prelude of the storm that will rock Greece if its Socialist government "caves in" to the dictates of the IMF and enforces policies that have been likened to "the coming of Armageddon".

To make the point, scores of stone-throwing youths chanted "people don't bow down, it's time again for revolution" as a petrol bomb set fire to a police officer in the heart of Athens.

"They say the only way of salvaging our economy is more austerity, but that's a total lie," said Nicolaos Danizis, a 60-year-old shipyard worker participating in a Communist-led demonstration outside parliament. "These latest measures have been cooked up by outsiders and are totally outrageous. They are aimed not at the rich but at the poor. What we are saying here today is that they will pass only over our dead bodies." .........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/02/greece-viol...



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  -Beware of Greeks bearing fists..... marmar  May-01-10 08:49 PM   #0 
  - Dead bodies it is then.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 08:52 PM   #1 
  - Oh look, it's Boss Frick.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:11 PM   #5 
  - Actually, this didn't deserve an ironic answer.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:18 PM   #15 
  - Capitalists can buy themselves out of any crisis...  killbotfactory   May-01-10 09:00 PM   #2 
  - The elected govt ran up the debt, and it has to be paid.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:07 PM   #3 
     - Actually, no, it doesn't have to be paid. nt  bemildred   May-01-10 09:10 PM   #4 
     - Yes, I'm afraid it does.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:12 PM   #6 
     - What is this, faith-based economics?  bemildred   May-01-10 09:15 PM   #9 
     - Greech will, but Greece probably won't.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:15 PM   #10 
     - I don't live in Greece, and I hope they tell the banks to fuck off. nt  bemildred   May-01-10 09:22 PM   #19 
     - That is so true. It doesn't have to be repaid.  truedelphi   May-01-10 09:46 PM   #44 
     - Many nations haven't paid, and prospered afterwards.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:13 PM   #7 
     - Try to be serious.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:15 PM   #8 
     - Try to make a coherent argument. nt  bemildred   May-01-10 09:15 PM   #11 
        - "Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!!!"  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:16 PM   #12 
           - "Noah? This is God. " nt  bemildred   May-01-10 09:17 PM   #14 
              - "First one of them wanted their freedom, now they all want their freedoms!"  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:32 PM   #33 
     - It's almost a rule, you don't pay, then you are better off. nt  bemildred   May-01-10 09:16 PM   #13 
        - Argentina had 25% unemployment,  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:19 PM   #16 
           - They seem to think so.  bemildred   May-01-10 09:21 PM   #17 
           - They didn't at the time. People starved.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:22 PM   #18 
              - People starve when the "austerity program" is enacted too.  bemildred   May-01-10 09:23 PM   #20 
              - Those starving people deposed a half-dozen presidents until they got one who was willing to default.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:29 PM   #26 
           - Hm, you left out what happened in the eight years after Argentina's intelligent default.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:27 PM   #22 
              - Try again.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:36 PM   #37 
              - Hello, it says the same thing as the passage I posted...  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:46 PM   #42 
              - (Oops - forgot to give the citation: It's from the Argentina entry in the CIA World Fact Book)  JackRiddler   May-02-10 01:35 PM   #53 
     - BTW Roubini seems to agree with many of us that it DOES NOT have  truedelphi   May-01-10 10:47 PM   #51 
     - The elected government, with help from Goldman Sachs, committed fraud  killbotfactory   May-01-10 11:15 PM   #52 
        - As for the "extravagant" benefits, these are mostly their wages...  JackRiddler   May-02-10 01:48 PM   #54 
  - When you lot are through with the rah rah routine  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:27 PM   #21 
  - Excellent.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:28 PM   #24 
  - No, it never will. But it might kill you.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:30 PM   #27 
     - That's all right, no one gets to live forever.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:31 PM   #30 
     - Always with the threats.  bemildred   May-01-10 09:32 PM   #34 
  - Tsk. Feeling grumpy are we?  bemildred   May-01-10 09:30 PM   #29 
     - Skipping out on debts is never a wise idea.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:31 PM   #31 
        - Still no facts, just fear.  bemildred   May-01-10 09:33 PM   #36 
        - List of famous bankruptcies, most of whom went on to great success afterwards.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:41 PM   #39 
  - Retirement benefits at age 58????  Pryderi   May-01-10 09:27 PM   #23 
  - Plus 2 months extra pay a year, at jobs people often  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:29 PM   #25 
  - You should want to see it universalized.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:30 PM   #28 
     - Being deadbeats? No  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:32 PM   #32 
        - Obviously you think it's better when just a few deadbeats get 90 percent of the pie.  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:33 PM   #35 
  - Since you are still unable to discuss this rationally,  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:40 PM   #38 
  - Right, you should just give up now.  Rex   May-01-10 09:43 PM   #40 
  - WTF are you talking about?  marmar   May-01-10 09:45 PM   #41 
  - Well, you are definitely in the wrong place if you want supine agreement  bemildred   May-01-10 09:46 PM   #43 
  - Just like those lazy subprime borrowers in Cleveland caused the crash of 2008...  JackRiddler   May-01-10 09:47 PM   #45 
  - That's the problem. Nobody knows what they're talking about.  ZeitgeistObserver   May-01-10 09:48 PM   #46 
     - Yeah, you certainly haven't wasted time arguing with people in this thread....  marmar   May-01-10 09:50 PM   #47 
     - "arguing" is a charitable description  JackRiddler   May-02-10 01:50 PM   #55 
     - Well you definitely don't.  bemildred   May-01-10 09:50 PM   #48 
     - Right, no one knows what they are talking about except you.  Rex   May-01-10 09:54 PM   #49 
  - "...May Day festivities turned into a bitter protest against draconian austerity measures..."  unkachuck   May-01-10 09:54 PM   #50 
  - I still think it's hilarious that  MellowDem   May-02-10 01:51 PM   #56 
 

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