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Fri Apr-30-10 10:38 AM
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Show me where he says what you think he says.
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| -Obama Criticizes Liberal Warren & Burger Supreme Courts as "Too Liberal" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 10:27 AM |
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That isn't the hope and change I thought I was going to get. |
no_hypocrisy |
Apr-30-10 10:28 AM |
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Read his remarks. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:37 AM |
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By his rationale, Brown would be overreaching as it wasn't decided by the representatives of The |
no_hypocrisy |
Apr-30-10 10:46 AM |
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That's NOT his rationale - he said activism USED to be defined that way. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:58 AM |
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he disparaged the decisions of the liberal courts |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:15 AM |
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Where do you get that? |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 11:20 AM |
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I Read the Article. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-30-10 10:54 AM |
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Given how much the reporters mischaracterized his remarks here, I don't accept their indirect quote. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 11:03 AM |
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Your Acceptance Is Not Required |
Toasterlad |
Apr-30-10 11:37 AM |
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Read the rest of the article - if that's accuracy for you, then it's not a very high threshhold |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 01:55 PM |
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I Read the Rest of the Article. The Fact That They Interpret Obama's Words Differently From You... |
Toasterlad |
Apr-30-10 02:18 PM |
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I'm kind of with you on this. |
alarimer |
Apr-30-10 04:02 PM |
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he did; he said conservatives make the same error that liberal courts were guilty of |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 05:26 PM |
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Obama said: "conservatives make the same error" "that liberal courts made" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:34 AM |
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Is anyone surprised? |
VMI Dem |
Apr-30-10 10:29 AM |
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Read his remarks. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:37 AM |
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Obama said, "conservatives make the same error" "that liberals were guilty of" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:29 AM |
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Apr-30-10 12:00 PM |
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Nope, not at all. And I wish that weren't the case. nt |
Lorien |
Apr-30-10 08:44 PM |
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this makes my stomach turn |
ensho |
Apr-30-10 10:31 AM |
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Read his remarks. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:37 AM |
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Obama said: "conservatives make the same error" "that liberal courts made" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:33 AM |
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Obama... |
tallahasseedem |
Apr-30-10 10:34 AM |
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Read his remarks. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:38 AM |
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"conservatives make the same error" "that liberal courts made" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:29 AM |
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since you seem to feel it necessary to try a perpetuate the lie, I will simply say the OP is wrong |
KittyWampus |
Apr-30-10 12:02 PM |
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Why don't you post them, with your interpretation |
sabrina 1 |
May-01-10 01:39 AM |
#138 |
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God forbid the President think that maybe his strongest supporters |
Arkana |
Apr-30-10 05:23 PM |
#132 |
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pathetic, just pathetic nt |
DURHAM D |
Apr-30-10 10:34 AM |
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Read his remarks. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:38 AM |
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Obama said, "conservatives make the same error" that liberal courts made..... |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:27 AM |
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No matter how many times you try and cast his statements the wrong way, it's still devious. |
KittyWampus |
Apr-30-10 12:02 PM |
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No he didn't |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:35 AM |
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Seems you are the one who hasn't read his remarks. |
DURHAM D |
Apr-30-10 10:36 AM |
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Read his remarks. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:38 AM |
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Apr-30-10 10:39 AM |
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OK, then what exactly does this sentence mean? Since when is 'the feeling' equal to 'my personal |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 10:43 AM |
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it's a disparagement of the liberal courts' pathbreaking decisions, which liberal praise |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:16 AM |
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Why would he say that? |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 11:23 AM |
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Wow. I'm so glad that you got all this attention. I would suggest revisiting sentence structure. |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 01:43 PM |
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Stop posting this POS article. Read or listen to what Obama actually said. You people |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 10:36 AM |
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Apr-30-10 10:36 AM |
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actually, he didn't say that |
cali |
Apr-30-10 10:39 AM |
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"playing chess" ? |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 10:44 AM |
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3-D chess. Us simpletons wouldn't understand. We must trust instead |
Oregone |
Apr-30-10 10:51 AM |
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Apr-30-10 11:01 AM |
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..... |
Skidmore |
Apr-30-10 12:10 PM |
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BS reporting. "Still, his statement seemed to call into question"? |
FSogol |
Apr-30-10 10:39 AM |
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read his actual statement; it's the opposite of what one would hope to hear |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 10:46 AM |
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Your OP is the opposite of what actually was meant. |
KittyWampus |
Apr-30-10 12:04 PM |
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The NYT strikes again. |
Rex |
Apr-30-10 10:40 AM |
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it's a very good article, imo n/t |
Enrique |
Apr-30-10 10:49 AM |
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More like an editorial since it's loaded with the writers' comments instead of facts. |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 10:56 AM |
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and quotes from 7 people across the spectrum |
Enrique |
Apr-30-10 11:03 AM |
#45 |
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Still there's lots of comments one is supposed to accept because the authors say so. |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 11:09 AM |
#49 |
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direct quotes are not opinion |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:18 AM |
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There are exactly 4 quotes from Obama in the article. |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 11:53 AM |
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that is such a whiny way to look at it |
Enrique |
Apr-30-10 11:36 AM |
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I'm very comfortable with the ideas President Obama discussed, i.e. 'restraint' and the way |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 11:41 AM |
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It has has Obama's OWN WORDS. |
katandmoon |
Apr-30-10 11:21 AM |
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Where did he say he was making the most important 'sympathetic statement' about the Warren and |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 11:44 AM |
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Where DIDN'T Obama say the conservative court wasn't guilty of the same ERROR the liberal court was? |
katandmoon |
Apr-30-10 11:49 AM |
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Answered in #92. |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 12:02 PM |
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No, it isn't. Obama's own words are crystal clear. |
katandmoon |
Apr-30-10 12:07 PM |
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OK, think whatever you like. Funny, though that every other news story on the exact same 3 quotes |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 01:10 PM |
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Apr-30-10 10:48 AM |
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Please reply "Read his remarks" to me |
Oregone |
Apr-30-10 10:50 AM |
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You have to say something uninformed first. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:52 AM |
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We all know he will find a judge liberal enough to approve his death panels |
Oregone |
Apr-30-10 10:54 AM |
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“And in the ’60s and ’70s, the feeling was — is that liberals were guilty of that kind of approach." |
Cant trust em |
Apr-30-10 10:53 AM |
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it's bashing the liberal Warren & Burger courts, no matter how one tries to sanitize the remarks |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 10:55 AM |
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It is not - he's describing how the conservatives of the 60s and 70s viewed the court's rulings. |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 10:57 AM |
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And we know you can't let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to bash Obama, |
Renew Deal |
Apr-30-10 10:57 AM |
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Wow, 2 writers make the following statement and it's now the Gospel on how Obama feels about the |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 11:04 AM |
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direct quotations are not editorials |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:19 AM |
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Very true - which direct quotes are giving you problems? |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 11:24 AM |
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Obama said: "conservatives make the same error" "that liberal courts made" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:31 AM |
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That's two you're splicing together - do you work for the Times? |
Richardo |
Apr-30-10 01:47 PM |
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There are exactly 4 quotes from Obama in the article. None give me problems. Comments by the |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-30-10 11:59 AM |
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I assume he's talking about busing. |
DefenseLawyer |
Apr-30-10 10:54 AM |
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My guess is Griswold/Eisenstadt/Roe/Casey |
depakid |
May-01-10 02:35 AM |
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Where does the article say that Obama said the Warren and Berger courts are "too liberal" |
Renew Deal |
Apr-30-10 10:55 AM |
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Apr-30-10 10:57 AM |
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Outrage doesn't whip itself up you know. Disinformation greases the skids. |
AtomicKitten |
Apr-30-10 11:34 AM |
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It sounds like he's criticizing Conservative jurisprudence, not Burger/Warren courts |
tishaLA |
Apr-30-10 10:55 AM |
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Bingo. |
Cant trust em |
Apr-30-10 10:58 AM |
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actually, his statement is softer on the conservatives; harsher on the liberal courts |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:01 AM |
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how so? |
tishaLA |
Apr-30-10 11:05 AM |
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just read the direct quotes; Obama criticizes liberal decisions |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:21 AM |
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I did read the direct quotes. Can you answer my question? |
tishaLA |
Apr-30-10 11:34 AM |
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you guys are flogging the shit out of this misrepresentation, ain't ya? |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 11:03 AM |
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I'm just a caveman |
DefenseLawyer |
Apr-30-10 11:12 AM |
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LOL....leave it to a defense lawyer to parse that one out |
Oregone |
Apr-30-10 11:21 AM |
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conservative court makes "the SAME ERROR" (as liberal courts made) incredible |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:23 AM |
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Dear Mr. President: The Repukes are NEVER going to like you. NEVER. |
jgraz |
Apr-30-10 11:55 AM |
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The vague part is, he doesn't mention who had/has the "feeling" |
ecstatic |
Apr-30-10 11:40 AM |
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Exactly. Repigs are the ones who had/have that feeling. |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 11:57 AM |
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Were that the case, why is he promoting it by repeating it? |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 12:08 PM |
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"pisses off people on the left" |
ecstatic |
Apr-30-10 12:11 PM |
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He needs to stop saying, both sides do it. It's gratuitous |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 12:15 PM |
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it's the feeling among Conservatives, not Barack Obama |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 11:56 AM |
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Correct. |
Lord Helmet |
Apr-30-10 01:32 PM |
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If that's what he meant then he should have said that. |
DefenseLawyer |
Apr-30-10 05:47 PM |
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It is no misrepresentation. It is Obama's own words. |
katandmoon |
Apr-30-10 11:19 AM |
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can you show me in his quote where says that he thinks warren and burger were too liberal |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 12:00 PM |
#94 |
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Take it up with Obama. He said it. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 11:43 AM |
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the OP headline is false. Obama didn't say it. |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 12:01 PM |
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HIs quotation is in the OP. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 12:05 PM |
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yes, but nowhere in that quote does he say what's in the title of this OP |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 12:08 PM |
#104 |
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And that would be a fine reading of what he said but |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 12:12 PM |
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the only reason they don't help is because people like you who want to see the worst in him |
Aramchek |
Apr-30-10 12:36 PM |
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As I said, take it up with him, he said. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 01:10 PM |
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"What you’re now seeing....is a conservative jurisprudence that oftentimes makes the same error." |
katandmoon |
Apr-30-10 11:13 AM |
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exactly: the "same error" as "liberals...guilty of that kind of approach" |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 11:22 AM |
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His words and meaning were that conservatives SAID earlier liberal courts |
NYC Liberal |
Apr-30-10 01:19 PM |
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Are all Democrats... |
butterfly77 |
Apr-30-10 11:22 AM |
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Most people probably don't know as much about those courts |
ecstatic |
Apr-30-10 11:33 AM |
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Antonin Scalia knows much more about those courts than Obama does. Should we defer to him? |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Apr-30-10 11:39 AM |
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I didn't say we should defer to anyone. I'm saying a candid remark |
ecstatic |
Apr-30-10 11:42 AM |
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With one comment he legitimized all conservative criticism of Roe v Wade and other landmarks |
jgraz |
Apr-30-10 11:57 AM |
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+10 thnks for stating it concisely! Obama affirmed conserv criticisms of landmark lib court dec'ns |
amborin |
Apr-30-10 05:05 PM |
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he's being honest. liberals love judicial activism when it benefits them and conservatives love it |
paulsby |
Apr-30-10 11:51 AM |
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Which liberal activist decision would you overturn from the 60's and 70's? |
jgraz |
Apr-30-10 11:54 AM |
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how about trop v. dulles? |
paulsby |
Apr-30-10 12:11 PM |
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Because Trop v Dulles is the first thing people think of when you mention liberal judicial activism |
jgraz |
Apr-30-10 12:32 PM |
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that is a perfect example of intellectual dishonest and it disgusts me |
paulsby |
Apr-30-10 01:46 PM |
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Someone needs to ask him what the liberal "ERRORS" were |
jgraz |
Apr-30-10 11:53 AM |
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"THE FEELING WAS" ... see that? "THE FEELING WAS"! |
NYC Liberal |
Apr-30-10 11:58 AM |
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Of course the Warren court overstepped the constitution. Thats why they could succeed. |
fishbulb703 |
Apr-30-10 12:15 PM |
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Wow, I'm so inspired. Please, more pictures of him in his sunglasses/weeping/playing with his dog!!! |
newtothegame |
Apr-30-10 01:30 PM |
#116 |
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And Reagan appealed to Americans put off by the "excesses of the 60s and 70s." |
freddie mertz |
Apr-30-10 01:56 PM |
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That quote was a real gem, |
Bluebear |
Apr-30-10 03:42 PM |
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And turned out to be a clear warning of what was to come. |
freddie mertz |
Apr-30-10 03:43 PM |
#125 |
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No, he was saying the liberal court was *viewed* that way back then. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Apr-30-10 05:08 PM |
#128 |
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How much more evidence do the Cheerleaders need showing that Obama is a Corporatist? |
Odin2005 |
Apr-30-10 05:15 PM |
#129 |
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When you grow some reading comprehension, I'll admit that |
Arkana |
Apr-30-10 05:18 PM |
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Nowhere does the President say "I feel that..." or any combination of that. |
Arkana |
Apr-30-10 05:18 PM |
#130 |
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You are correct on one point- the title is misleading |
depakid |
May-01-10 02:41 AM |
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I respectfully disagree with the president on this |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-30-10 05:24 PM |
#133 |
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I'll be writing in the name of an actual Democrat next time. |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-30-10 05:25 PM |
#134 |
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