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Wed Apr-28-10 10:52 PM
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| 18. Yes. Anyone can go to youtube.com and type in "cop threatens" |
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Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 10:52 PM by NYC Liberal
or "police abuse" and find hundreds of (real) videos of what goes on every day. Corrupt cop threatens to make up charges to prove me who has power |
| -AZ law first requires "lawful contact" i.e. Traffic violation or other situation prompting police |
dkf |
Apr-28-10 10:28 PM |
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LOLOL yeah, that'll work. |
Bluebear |
Apr-28-10 10:29 PM |
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That is the law. You have to break some law first then they can look further. |
dkf |
Apr-28-10 10:33 PM |
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Ah. So if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. |
Bluebear |
Apr-28-10 10:39 PM |
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i live in arizona. about a year |
DesertFlower |
Apr-28-10 10:40 PM |
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The statute doesn't say that. |
Hosnon |
Apr-28-10 11:17 PM |
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Well, that's what Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity say, |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-10 01:51 AM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Apr-29-10 03:47 AM |
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That's is simply untrue. Lawful contact includes being a rape victim, a witness....n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-29-10 07:15 PM |
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Then why, pray tell, |
billh58 |
Apr-29-10 07:22 PM |
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It is not true that you have to break a law for the police to lawfully contact you. |
branders seine |
Apr-29-10 08:11 PM |
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Actually, the phrase |
billh58 |
Apr-30-10 12:44 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
May-02-10 04:03 PM |
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I guess you never heard of "Chandler Roundup" |
JonLP24 |
May-04-10 06:08 PM |
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Isn't everyone in violation of SOME law all the time? |
dsn |
May-04-10 06:23 PM |
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Your medical card? |
sandnsea |
Apr-28-10 10:31 PM |
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The law states that for any lawful contact...where reasonable suspicion exists...a reasonable |
dkf |
Apr-28-10 10:53 PM |
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Like the belief that the ID is fraudulent? |
sandnsea |
Apr-28-10 11:13 PM |
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So, you're speeding and a cop pulls you over. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-10 12:28 AM |
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Or Sheriff Joe could be a birther. . .and the driver has a "Si se puede" |
kevinbgoode |
Apr-29-10 03:47 AM |
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what you just described could happen today in AZ and in most states |
onenote |
Apr-29-10 06:07 AM |
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You are repeating a common piece of misinformation - Citizenship is not the issue |
slackmaster |
Apr-29-10 12:31 PM |
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And how is it determined whether or not someone is a lawful |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-10 04:31 PM |
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I don't believe your analysis is correct. |
slackmaster |
Apr-30-10 09:22 AM |
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Arizona has a stop and identify statute - no reasonable suspicion required |
Lance_Boyle |
Apr-29-10 01:10 PM |
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Wrong. |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-29-10 04:23 PM |
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Lawful contact can be someone who witnessed a crime, reported a rape. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-29-10 07:15 PM |
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why are there so many on DU |
Bill McBlueState |
Apr-28-10 10:35 PM |
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self delete. |
DesertFlower |
Apr-28-10 10:38 PM |
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Because certain aspects of a person will always be more important than party affiliation. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-28-10 10:53 PM |
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I think there is BROAD support for this law. |
branders seine |
Apr-29-10 08:13 PM |
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Why? |
RoyGBiv |
Apr-30-10 01:06 AM |
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that's a good point |
Bill McBlueState |
Apr-30-10 11:33 AM |
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Well put. |
snort |
May-04-10 06:51 PM |
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I have to respond. |
dorktv |
Apr-28-10 10:39 PM |
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Why are we talking about "papers". It just takes a state ID. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:10 AM |
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What would you define as 'reasonable suspicion that |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-10 12:35 AM |
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delete |
Iggo |
Apr-29-10 01:21 PM |
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not to avoid being arrested, no |
CreekDog |
May-02-10 11:25 AM |
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I pulled you over because your license plate light isn't working can I ee your papers? |
mrcheerful |
Apr-28-10 10:40 PM |
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Driving over the line |
itsrobert |
Apr-28-10 10:59 PM |
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Cops who make up shit should be thrown in jail. |
dkf |
Apr-28-10 11:02 PM |
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Happened to me, I complained about it here and had some tell me I was lucky to find that I had an |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-10 04:34 PM |
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What do you have against immigrants? |
LAGC |
Apr-28-10 10:41 PM |
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well said. nt |
DesertFlower |
Apr-28-10 10:56 PM |
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I'm not against legal immigrants. I am against illegal immigrants. Also against tax evaders |
dkf |
Apr-28-10 11:06 PM |
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But surely you can see how legal immigrants and even native Hispanics will be targeted? |
LAGC |
Apr-28-10 11:09 PM |
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I'm Asian. I fully expect to produce ID if I travel to AZ. Moreover I am from one of the |
dkf |
Apr-28-10 11:44 PM |
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You're a good little German, aren't you. |
KonaKane |
Apr-29-10 01:04 AM |
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So why |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-29-10 05:13 PM |
#106 |
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Umm you can be asked to produce ID at any time. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 07:30 PM |
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By whom? |
billh58 |
Apr-29-10 07:41 PM |
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Hiibel v sixth district court of Nevada. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 07:58 PM |
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Again, where |
billh58 |
Apr-29-10 08:25 PM |
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The question was whether it is constitutional to **ask** for ID and yes it is. |
dkf |
Apr-30-10 11:49 AM |
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That's not believable. I am in Ca since three months ago and have |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-10 12:28 PM |
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I was just carded in sonoma not when I was tasting wine but when I was buying wine. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 07:33 PM |
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Jesus! |
billh58 |
Apr-29-10 07:43 PM |
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Ummm sweetie I had already bought the wine tasting, drank the wine and was purchasing my choice. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 08:01 PM |
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So fucking what? |
billh58 |
Apr-29-10 08:29 PM |
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I'm saying it is no big deal for a person to produce an ID because we do it all the time. |
dkf |
Apr-30-10 11:04 AM |
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He asked, "Is that really a good idea?" |
Iggo |
Apr-29-10 01:24 PM |
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I could care less. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 07:40 PM |
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Have you had to show your ID because of your skin color? |
Iggo |
Apr-29-10 07:42 PM |
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I don't know. I'm a pasty white Asian person. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 08:05 PM |
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And that's okay with you? (n/t) |
Iggo |
Apr-29-10 09:07 PM |
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crickets |
Bluebear |
Apr-30-10 09:17 PM |
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. |
Bluebear |
May-02-10 02:13 PM |
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So it's okay to piss on the Constitution |
sandnsea |
Apr-28-10 11:16 PM |
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Apr-28-10 11:45 PM |
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Protect terrorists, not Mexicans |
sandnsea |
Apr-28-10 11:49 PM |
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President Obama "shreded" (sic) the Constitution? Oh my. nt |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-10 04:36 PM |
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Obama has shredded the Constitution? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Apr-29-10 07:00 PM |
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Apr-29-10 07:29 PM |
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How do you tell the difference between "legal" & "illegal" immigrants? |
WolverineDG |
Apr-29-10 04:40 PM |
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Same way you figure out if a person is over or under age for drinking. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 08:08 PM |
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And what is your "reasonable suspicion" that they ARE illegal? |
WolverineDG |
Apr-29-10 10:42 PM |
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If you care so much about the rule of law... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Apr-29-10 06:59 PM |
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I don't understand how this differs from all the other crap we go through. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 08:13 PM |
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Ok so they are cheating |
treestar |
Apr-29-10 07:49 PM |
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It's all part of the same disease. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 08:21 PM |
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Apr-29-10 09:12 PM |
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if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.... |
ibegurpard |
Apr-28-10 10:42 PM |
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"You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong" LOL |
NYC Liberal |
Apr-28-10 10:44 PM |
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An officer walking down the street to his car and says hello to someone is a lawful contact |
dorktv |
Apr-28-10 10:45 PM |
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Yes. Anyone can go to youtube.com and type in "cop threatens" |
NYC Liberal |
Apr-28-10 10:52 PM |
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In Ohio they won't stop you for not wearing your seat belt. I was |
doc03 |
Apr-28-10 10:44 PM |
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Here in Michigan swerving pot holes can get you a reckless driving ticket |
mrcheerful |
Apr-28-10 10:53 PM |
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We had a one horse town Barney Fife that had a scam |
doc03 |
Apr-28-10 11:23 PM |
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deleted duplicate post |
doc03 |
Apr-28-10 11:23 PM |
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Of course.... |
Rebubula |
Apr-29-10 06:16 AM |
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I served in the Army with many soldiers of Mexican decent |
doc03 |
Apr-28-10 10:47 PM |
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Ok here is what I see and hear here in Arizona |
SargeUNN |
Apr-28-10 10:47 PM |
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Reasonable suspicion is not defined? |
harkadog |
Apr-28-10 11:56 PM |
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good finally someone who knows what it means |
SargeUNN |
Apr-29-10 02:50 AM |
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Again why is this question being asked now? |
harkadog |
Apr-29-10 05:18 PM |
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I agree that there needs to be clarification on exactly what is lawful contact and what is |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:01 AM |
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So Latino citizens could sue the city or state, for example. . . |
kevinbgoode |
Apr-29-10 03:50 AM |
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I feel better about racial profiling now knowing it won't happen if somebody doesn't litter. |
jmm |
Apr-28-10 10:51 PM |
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Wow... you really drank the koolaid, didn't you? |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-10 10:53 PM |
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Dupnik thinks it's unnecessary because he already arrests hundreds of illegal immigrants every mont. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:15 AM |
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So, YOU speak for this AZ sheriff now? |
hlthe2b |
Apr-29-10 05:14 AM |
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Another ignorant apologist on DU. |
chollybocker |
Apr-28-10 10:53 PM |
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Where are you getting that definition of "lawful contact"? nt. |
Hosnon |
Apr-28-10 10:57 PM |
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This is what the guy who wrote this clause to pass scrutiny explained. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:06 AM |
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I ran across that last night. But I can't find anyone with legal training who is familiar |
Hosnon |
Apr-29-10 09:49 AM |
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A conservative lying? Unbelievable. Media Matters has taken this on and it's false. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-29-10 04:45 PM |
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"Lawful contact" = frequent seat belt and/or sobriety checkpoints |
Lyric |
Apr-28-10 11:13 PM |
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Not papers...ID. Don't they ask for those anyway? |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:03 AM |
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not just license and registration... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-29-10 04:24 AM |
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You don't know what the concept of 'papers' referes to, do you? |
Viking12 |
Apr-29-10 01:10 PM |
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Not for having brown skin. |
Iggo |
Apr-29-10 02:42 PM |
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That is a painfully naive view of what this is and what it will be. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-28-10 11:20 PM |
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Re: Casual proof of citizenship |
JPK |
Apr-28-10 11:40 PM |
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Because our cops are vindictive lawbreaking assholes you mean? |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:18 AM |
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If I'd wanted to say that, I'd have said that. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-29-10 12:28 AM |
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I thought righties ..... |
JPK |
Apr-29-10 01:23 AM |
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Papers please |
JPK |
Apr-28-10 11:26 PM |
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Hmmmm.....Papers please...................... |
JPK |
Apr-28-10 11:43 PM |
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You forgot the main one..don't be caught walking around brown eom |
workinclasszero |
Apr-28-10 11:27 PM |
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Do you know how easy it is to be pulled over over something innocent? |
Drunken Irishman |
Apr-28-10 11:27 PM |
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I'll admit that I haven't read the law. But from what I understand |
johnaries |
Apr-28-10 11:54 PM |
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They are required if they have a reasonable suspicion that does not include race. |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:07 AM |
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"The legislation requires law enforcement ..." |
ProSense |
Apr-29-10 12:10 AM |
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Hmm and I guess expecting wall street to shape up is anti white? Or gasp anti-Semitic? |
dkf |
Apr-29-10 12:25 AM |
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i'll just bet you never ever NEVER break the law.. |
frylock |
Apr-29-10 03:15 PM |
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Pah she is SO sick of lawbreakers. Sick sick sick. |
Bluebear |
Apr-29-10 04:41 PM |
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Apr-29-10 05:04 PM |
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last I checked, I wasn't constitutionally required to get a driver's license |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-29-10 12:33 AM |
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No, the cop can decide you LOOK illegal - hence the reasonable suspicion. |
Rex |
Apr-29-10 12:38 AM |
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Riiiiight. Keep telling yourself that. |
Desertrose |
Apr-29-10 01:00 AM |
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I'm sure Arizona police will be as careful with this law as the Bush Administration was with the... |
Ozymanithrax |
Apr-29-10 01:58 AM |
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yeah so true |
SargeUNN |
Apr-29-10 02:53 AM |
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Question. What is this law supposed to accomplish? |
Cleobulus |
Apr-29-10 03:51 AM |
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I wondered where this "lawful contact" focus came from. Sean Hanity. My wife was watching a HuffPo |
pampango |
Apr-29-10 05:21 AM |
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it's so nice to see racial profiling get a fair shake on DU. |
KG |
Apr-29-10 05:23 AM |
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Isn't it though? And the excuses! Man oh man, the excuses! |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-29-10 04:41 PM |
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I don't believe you're that stupid. |
Dogtown |
Apr-29-10 07:08 AM |
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Stupidity and being intentionally obtuse are NOT mutually exclusive. OP is a |
retread |
Apr-29-10 07:53 AM |
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I dunno. |
Bluebear |
Apr-29-10 12:59 PM |
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(snicker) |
Dogtown |
Apr-29-10 01:24 PM |
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That's incorrect. "Lawful contact" with a police officer is merely |
coti |
Apr-29-10 03:08 PM |
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Correct--being victim of a crime is lawful contact. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-29-10 07:13 PM |
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OP makes a poor assumption...and an incorrect one at that... |
Sheepshank |
Apr-29-10 03:46 PM |
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Riiight. |
Texasgal |
Apr-29-10 03:54 PM |
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"You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong", right. |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-10 04:28 PM |
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.... |
WolverineDG |
Apr-29-10 04:31 PM |
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D'oh! Media Matters takes on this conservative lie-Lawful contact could include witnesses,victims, |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-29-10 04:43 PM |
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lawful contact doesn't mean violation. If the cop is on the clock on the street ANYBODY HE CONTACTS |
librechik |
Apr-29-10 05:13 PM |
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Lawful contact = driving while brown |
That Is Quite Enough |
Apr-29-10 05:17 PM |
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+++++++ |
Bluebear |
Apr-29-10 06:58 PM |
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"Lawful contact" includes being a rape victim, a victim of domestic violence, a witness |
msanthrope |
Apr-29-10 07:11 PM |
#113 |
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just explained by senator menendez on keith's...2 cops walking down the street and come upon you.... |
spanone |
Apr-29-10 07:34 PM |
#121 |
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No..No..No... |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-29-10 08:50 PM |
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You're confusing reasonable suspicion justifying detainment with what constitutes lawful contact. |
coti |
Apr-29-10 10:00 PM |
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reasonable suspicion IS required to see ID |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-29-10 10:33 PM |
#141 |
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.... |
coti |
Apr-29-10 10:44 PM |
#143 |
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What your describing is NOT reasonable suspicion |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-29-10 11:52 PM |
#144 |
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Actually, in law the word "reasonable" is used to create deliberately vague concepts. |
coti |
Apr-30-10 12:52 AM |
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Another definition |
billh58 |
Apr-30-10 01:07 AM |
#149 |
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Outstanding post. nt |
coti |
Apr-30-10 01:10 AM |
#150 |
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That won't work |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-30-10 09:25 AM |
#153 |
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Sorry, but your "notion" |
billh58 |
Apr-30-10 12:30 PM |
#160 |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Apr-30-10 02:02 PM |
#163 |
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The ONLY way to reduce illegal immigration is to end the reasons why they come here. |
Dark |
Apr-30-10 12:14 AM |
#145 |
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Totally agreed. |
coti |
Apr-30-10 01:13 AM |
#151 |
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You always could be stopped on reasonable suspicion. So, what does this law change, then? |
Fridays Child |
Apr-30-10 01:03 AM |
#147 |
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Honestly, what planet are you from? |
AuntPatsy |
Apr-30-10 11:50 AM |
#157 |
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They can hold them and turn them over to ICE in these circumstances now. |
Hansel |
Apr-30-10 11:59 AM |
#158 |
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That's an easy |
billh58 |
Apr-30-10 12:54 PM |
#162 |
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+ |
Bluebear |
May-02-10 09:55 PM |
#168 |
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Or trying to get a job |
woo me with science |
Apr-30-10 12:02 PM |
#159 |
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Or property code violations, or just about anything an officer can make up... |
GrantDem |
May-02-10 10:05 PM |
#169 |
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