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AZ law first requires "lawful contact" i.e. Traffic violation or other situation prompting police
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Response. Then there must be reasonable suspicion. Then they can ask for your ID of which a drivers license will mostly suffice unless you are from one of four states who do not check legal status before issuing licenses.

You do not have to carry around your birth certificate but you may want to carry some state ID. Frankly you should walk around with your medical card anyway since you may find yourself in need of emergency treatment.

You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong. So don't litter and don't jaywalk and you should be fine.

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  -AZ law first requires "lawful contact" i.e. Traffic violation or other situation prompting police dkf  Apr-28-10 10:28 PM   #0 
  - LOLOL yeah, that'll work.  Bluebear   Apr-28-10 10:29 PM   #1 
  - That is the law. You have to break some law first then they can look further.  dkf   Apr-28-10 10:33 PM   #3 
     - Ah. So if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.  Bluebear   Apr-28-10 10:39 PM   #6 
     - i live in arizona. about a year  DesertFlower   Apr-28-10 10:40 PM   #8 
     - The statute doesn't say that.  Hosnon   Apr-28-10 11:17 PM   #33 
     - Well, that's what Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity say,  sabrina 1   Apr-29-10 01:51 AM   #64 
     - +  Bluebear   Apr-29-10 03:47 AM   #69 
     - That's is simply untrue. Lawful contact includes being a rape victim, a witness....n/t  msanthrope   Apr-29-10 07:15 PM   #115 
     - Then why, pray tell,  billh58   Apr-29-10 07:22 PM   #117 
     - It is not true that you have to break a law for the police to lawfully contact you.  branders seine   Apr-29-10 08:11 PM   #131 
     - Actually, the phrase  billh58   Apr-30-10 12:44 PM   #161 
     - +  Bluebear   May-02-10 04:03 PM   #167 
     - I guess you never heard of "Chandler Roundup"  JonLP24   May-04-10 06:08 PM   #170 
     - Isn't everyone in violation of SOME law all the time?  dsn   May-04-10 06:23 PM   #171 
  - Your medical card?  sandnsea   Apr-28-10 10:31 PM   #2 
  - The law states that for any lawful contact...where reasonable suspicion exists...a reasonable  dkf   Apr-28-10 10:53 PM   #19 
     - Like the belief that the ID is fraudulent?  sandnsea   Apr-28-10 11:13 PM   #30 
     - So, you're speeding and a cop pulls you over.  sabrina 1   Apr-29-10 12:28 AM   #56 
     - Or Sheriff Joe could be a birther. . .and the driver has a "Si se puede"  kevinbgoode   Apr-29-10 03:47 AM   #68 
     - what you just described could happen today in AZ and in most states  onenote   Apr-29-10 06:07 AM   #76 
     - You are repeating a common piece of misinformation - Citizenship is not the issue  slackmaster   Apr-29-10 12:31 PM   #82 
        - And how is it determined whether or not someone is a lawful  sabrina 1   Apr-29-10 04:31 PM   #96 
           - I don't believe your analysis is correct.  slackmaster   Apr-30-10 09:22 AM   #152 
     - Arizona has a stop and identify statute - no reasonable suspicion required  Lance_Boyle   Apr-29-10 01:10 PM   #85 
     - Wrong.  Indy Lurker   Apr-29-10 04:23 PM   #94 
     - Lawful contact can be someone who witnessed a crime, reported a rape. n/t  msanthrope   Apr-29-10 07:15 PM   #116 
  - why are there so many on DU  Bill McBlueState   Apr-28-10 10:35 PM   #4 
  - self delete.  DesertFlower   Apr-28-10 10:38 PM   #5 
  - Because certain aspects of a person will always be more important than party affiliation.  BlooInBloo   Apr-28-10 10:53 PM   #23 
  - I think there is BROAD support for this law.  branders seine   Apr-29-10 08:13 PM   #133 
  - Why?  RoyGBiv   Apr-30-10 01:06 AM   #148 
     - that's a good point  Bill McBlueState   Apr-30-10 11:33 AM   #155 
     - Well put.  snort   May-04-10 06:51 PM   #172 
  - I have to respond.  dorktv   Apr-28-10 10:39 PM   #7 
  - Why are we talking about "papers". It just takes a state ID.  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:10 AM   #52 
     - What would you define as 'reasonable suspicion that  sabrina 1   Apr-29-10 12:35 AM   #59 
     - delete  Iggo   Apr-29-10 01:21 PM   #86 
     - not to avoid being arrested, no  CreekDog   May-02-10 11:25 AM   #165 
  - I pulled you over because your license plate light isn't working can I ee your papers?  mrcheerful   Apr-28-10 10:40 PM   #9 
  - Driving over the line  itsrobert   Apr-28-10 10:59 PM   #26 
  - Cops who make up shit should be thrown in jail.  dkf   Apr-28-10 11:02 PM   #27 
  - Happened to me, I complained about it here and had some tell me I was lucky to find that I had an  uppityperson   Apr-29-10 04:34 PM   #98 
  - What do you have against immigrants?  LAGC   Apr-28-10 10:41 PM   #10 
  - well said. nt  DesertFlower   Apr-28-10 10:56 PM   #24 
  - I'm not against legal immigrants. I am against illegal immigrants. Also against tax evaders  dkf   Apr-28-10 11:06 PM   #28 
     - But surely you can see how legal immigrants and even native Hispanics will be targeted?  LAGC   Apr-28-10 11:09 PM   #29 
     - I'm Asian. I fully expect to produce ID if I travel to AZ. Moreover I am from one of the  dkf   Apr-28-10 11:44 PM   #42 
        - You're a good little German, aren't you.  KonaKane   Apr-29-10 01:04 AM   #62 
        - So why  Why Syzygy   Apr-29-10 05:13 PM   #106 
        - Umm you can be asked to produce ID at any time.  dkf   Apr-29-10 07:30 PM   #119 
           - By whom?  billh58   Apr-29-10 07:41 PM   #123 
              - Hiibel v sixth district court of Nevada.  dkf   Apr-29-10 07:58 PM   #127 
                 - Again, where  billh58   Apr-29-10 08:25 PM   #135 
                    - The question was whether it is constitutional to **ask** for ID and yes it is.  dkf   Apr-30-10 11:49 AM   #156 
        - That's not believable. I am in Ca since three months ago and have  sabrina 1   Apr-29-10 12:28 PM   #81 
        - I was just carded in sonoma not when I was tasting wine but when I was buying wine.  dkf   Apr-29-10 07:33 PM   #120 
           - Jesus!  billh58   Apr-29-10 07:43 PM   #125 
              - Ummm sweetie I had already bought the wine tasting, drank the wine and was purchasing my choice.  dkf   Apr-29-10 08:01 PM   #128 
                 - So fucking what?  billh58   Apr-29-10 08:29 PM   #136 
                    - I'm saying it is no big deal for a person to produce an ID because we do it all the time.  dkf   Apr-30-10 11:04 AM   #154 
        - He asked, "Is that really a good idea?"  Iggo   Apr-29-10 01:24 PM   #88 
           - I could care less.  dkf   Apr-29-10 07:40 PM   #122 
              - Have you had to show your ID because of your skin color?  Iggo   Apr-29-10 07:42 PM   #124 
                 - I don't know. I'm a pasty white Asian person.  dkf   Apr-29-10 08:05 PM   #129 
                    - And that's okay with you? (n/t)  Iggo   Apr-29-10 09:07 PM   #138 
                       - crickets  Bluebear   Apr-30-10 09:17 PM   #164 
                          - .  Bluebear   May-02-10 02:13 PM   #166 
     - So it's okay to piss on the Constitution  sandnsea   Apr-28-10 11:16 PM   #32 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-28-10 11:45 PM   #43 
        - Protect terrorists, not Mexicans  sandnsea   Apr-28-10 11:49 PM   #44 
        - President Obama "shreded" (sic) the Constitution? Oh my. nt  uppityperson   Apr-29-10 04:36 PM   #99 
        - Obama has shredded the Constitution?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-29-10 07:00 PM   #112 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-29-10 07:29 PM   #118 
     - How do you tell the difference between "legal" & "illegal" immigrants?  WolverineDG   Apr-29-10 04:40 PM   #100 
     - Same way you figure out if a person is over or under age for drinking.  dkf   Apr-29-10 08:08 PM   #130 
        - And what is your "reasonable suspicion" that they ARE illegal?  WolverineDG   Apr-29-10 10:42 PM   #142 
     - If you care so much about the rule of law...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-29-10 06:59 PM   #111 
     - I don't understand how this differs from all the other crap we go through.  dkf   Apr-29-10 08:13 PM   #132 
     - Ok so they are cheating  treestar   Apr-29-10 07:49 PM   #126 
        - It's all part of the same disease.  dkf   Apr-29-10 08:21 PM   #134 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-29-10 09:12 PM   #139 
  - if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about....  ibegurpard   Apr-28-10 10:42 PM   #11 
  - "You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong" LOL  NYC Liberal   Apr-28-10 10:44 PM   #12 
  - An officer walking down the street to his car and says hello to someone is a lawful contact  dorktv   Apr-28-10 10:45 PM   #14 
     - Yes. Anyone can go to and type in "cop threatens"  NYC Liberal   Apr-28-10 10:52 PM   #18 
  - In Ohio they won't stop you for not wearing your seat belt. I was  doc03   Apr-28-10 10:44 PM   #13 
  - Here in Michigan swerving pot holes can get you a reckless driving ticket  mrcheerful   Apr-28-10 10:53 PM   #21 
  - We had a one horse town Barney Fife that had a scam  doc03   Apr-28-10 11:23 PM   #35 
  - deleted duplicate post  doc03   Apr-28-10 11:23 PM   #36 
  - Of course....  Rebubula   Apr-29-10 06:16 AM   #77 
  - I served in the Army with many soldiers of Mexican decent  doc03   Apr-28-10 10:47 PM   #15 
  - Ok here is what I see and hear here in Arizona  SargeUNN   Apr-28-10 10:47 PM   #16 
  - Reasonable suspicion is not defined?  harkadog   Apr-28-10 11:56 PM   #46 
  - good finally someone who knows what it means  SargeUNN   Apr-29-10 02:50 AM   #66 
     - Again why is this question being asked now?  harkadog   Apr-29-10 05:18 PM   #109 
  - I agree that there needs to be clarification on exactly what is lawful contact and what is  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:01 AM   #47 
  - So Latino citizens could sue the city or state, for example. . .  kevinbgoode   Apr-29-10 03:50 AM   #70 
  - I feel better about racial profiling now knowing it won't happen if somebody doesn't litter.  jmm   Apr-28-10 10:51 PM   #17 
  - Wow... you really drank the koolaid, didn't you?  hlthe2b   Apr-28-10 10:53 PM   #20 
  - Dupnik thinks it's unnecessary because he already arrests hundreds of illegal immigrants every mont.  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:15 AM   #53 
     - So, YOU speak for this AZ sheriff now?  hlthe2b   Apr-29-10 05:14 AM   #73 
  - Another ignorant apologist on DU.  chollybocker   Apr-28-10 10:53 PM   #22 
  - Where are you getting that definition of "lawful contact"? nt.  Hosnon   Apr-28-10 10:57 PM   #25 
  - This is what the guy who wrote this clause to pass scrutiny explained.  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:06 AM   #49 
     - I ran across that last night. But I can't find anyone with legal training who is familiar  Hosnon   Apr-29-10 09:49 AM   #80 
     - A conservative lying? Unbelievable. Media Matters has taken this on and it's false.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-29-10 04:45 PM   #104 
  - "Lawful contact" = frequent seat belt and/or sobriety checkpoints  Lyric   Apr-28-10 11:13 PM   #31 
  - Not papers...ID. Don't they ask for those anyway?  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:03 AM   #48 
     - not just license and registration...  hlthe2b   Apr-29-10 04:24 AM   #72 
     - You don't know what the concept of 'papers' referes to, do you?  Viking12   Apr-29-10 01:10 PM   #84 
     - Not for having brown skin.  Iggo   Apr-29-10 02:42 PM   #89 
  - That is a painfully naive view of what this is and what it will be.  TexasObserver   Apr-28-10 11:20 PM   #34 
  - Re: Casual proof of citizenship  JPK   Apr-28-10 11:40 PM   #40 
  - Because our cops are vindictive lawbreaking assholes you mean?  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:18 AM   #54 
     - If I'd wanted to say that, I'd have said that.  TexasObserver   Apr-29-10 12:28 AM   #57 
     - I thought righties .....  JPK   Apr-29-10 01:23 AM   #63 
  - Papers please  JPK   Apr-28-10 11:26 PM   #37 
  - Hmmmm.....Papers please......................  JPK   Apr-28-10 11:43 PM   #41 
  - You forgot the main one..don't be caught walking around brown eom  workinclasszero   Apr-28-10 11:27 PM   #38 
  - Do you know how easy it is to be pulled over over something innocent?  Drunken Irishman   Apr-28-10 11:27 PM   #39 
  - I'll admit that I haven't read the law. But from what I understand  johnaries   Apr-28-10 11:54 PM   #45 
  - They are required if they have a reasonable suspicion that does not include race.  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:07 AM   #50 
  - "The legislation requires law enforcement ..."  ProSense   Apr-29-10 12:10 AM   #51 
  - Hmm and I guess expecting wall street to shape up is anti white? Or gasp anti-Semitic?  dkf   Apr-29-10 12:25 AM   #55 
     - i'll just bet you never ever NEVER break the law..  frylock   Apr-29-10 03:15 PM   #91 
        - Pah she is SO sick of lawbreakers. Sick sick sick.  Bluebear   Apr-29-10 04:41 PM   #101 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-29-10 05:04 PM   #105 
  - last I checked, I wasn't constitutionally required to get a driver's license  Maru Kitteh   Apr-29-10 12:33 AM   #58 
  - No, the cop can decide you LOOK illegal - hence the reasonable suspicion.  Rex   Apr-29-10 12:38 AM   #60 
  - Riiiiight. Keep telling yourself that.  Desertrose   Apr-29-10 01:00 AM   #61 
  - I'm sure Arizona police will be as careful with this law as the Bush Administration was with the...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-29-10 01:58 AM   #65 
  - yeah so true  SargeUNN   Apr-29-10 02:53 AM   #67 
  - Question. What is this law supposed to accomplish?  Cleobulus   Apr-29-10 03:51 AM   #71 
  - I wondered where this "lawful contact" focus came from. Sean Hanity. My wife was watching a HuffPo  pampango   Apr-29-10 05:21 AM   #74 
  - it's so nice to see racial profiling get a fair shake on DU.  KG   Apr-29-10 05:23 AM   #75 
  - Isn't it though? And the excuses! Man oh man, the excuses!  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-29-10 04:41 PM   #102 
  - I don't believe you're that stupid.  Dogtown   Apr-29-10 07:08 AM   #78 
  - Stupidity and being intentionally obtuse are NOT mutually exclusive. OP is a  retread   Apr-29-10 07:53 AM   #79 
  - I dunno.  Bluebear   Apr-29-10 12:59 PM   #83 
     - (snicker)  Dogtown   Apr-29-10 01:24 PM   #87 
  - That's incorrect. "Lawful contact" with a police officer is merely  coti   Apr-29-10 03:08 PM   #90 
  - Correct--being victim of a crime is lawful contact. n/t  msanthrope   Apr-29-10 07:13 PM   #114 
  - OP makes a poor assumption...and an incorrect one at that...  Sheepshank   Apr-29-10 03:46 PM   #92 
  - Riiight.  Texasgal   Apr-29-10 03:54 PM   #93 
  - "You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong", right.  uppityperson   Apr-29-10 04:28 PM   #95 
  - ....  WolverineDG   Apr-29-10 04:31 PM   #97 
  - D'oh! Media Matters takes on this conservative lie-Lawful contact could include witnesses,victims,  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-29-10 04:43 PM   #103 
  - lawful contact doesn't mean violation. If the cop is on the clock on the street ANYBODY HE CONTACTS  librechik   Apr-29-10 05:13 PM   #107 
  - Lawful contact = driving while brown  That Is Quite Enough   Apr-29-10 05:17 PM   #108 
  - +++++++  Bluebear   Apr-29-10 06:58 PM   #110 
  - "Lawful contact" includes being a rape victim, a victim of domestic violence, a witness  msanthrope   Apr-29-10 07:11 PM   #113 
  - just explained by senator menendez on keith's...2 cops walking down the street and come upon you....  spanone   Apr-29-10 07:34 PM   #121 
  - No..No..No...  Indy Lurker   Apr-29-10 08:50 PM   #137 
     - You're confusing reasonable suspicion justifying detainment with what constitutes lawful contact.  coti   Apr-29-10 10:00 PM   #140 
        - reasonable suspicion IS required to see ID  Indy Lurker   Apr-29-10 10:33 PM   #141 
           - ....  coti   Apr-29-10 10:44 PM   #143 
              - What your describing is NOT reasonable suspicion  Indy Lurker   Apr-29-10 11:52 PM   #144 
                 - Actually, in law the word "reasonable" is used to create deliberately vague concepts.  coti   Apr-30-10 12:52 AM   #146 
                 - Another definition  billh58   Apr-30-10 01:07 AM   #149 
                    - Outstanding post. nt  coti   Apr-30-10 01:10 AM   #150 
                    - That won't work  Indy Lurker   Apr-30-10 09:25 AM   #153 
                       - Sorry, but your "notion"  billh58   Apr-30-10 12:30 PM   #160 
                          - +  Bluebear   Apr-30-10 02:02 PM   #163 
  - The ONLY way to reduce illegal immigration is to end the reasons why they come here.  Dark   Apr-30-10 12:14 AM   #145 
  - Totally agreed.  coti   Apr-30-10 01:13 AM   #151 
  - You always could be stopped on reasonable suspicion. So, what does this law change, then?  Fridays Child   Apr-30-10 01:03 AM   #147 
  - Honestly, what planet are you from?  AuntPatsy   Apr-30-10 11:50 AM   #157 
  - They can hold them and turn them over to ICE in these circumstances now.  Hansel   Apr-30-10 11:59 AM   #158 
  - That's an easy  billh58   Apr-30-10 12:54 PM   #162 
     - +  Bluebear   May-02-10 09:55 PM   #168 
  - Or trying to get a job  woo me with science   Apr-30-10 12:02 PM   #159 
  - Or property code violations, or just about anything an officer can make up...  GrantDem   May-02-10 10:05 PM   #169 

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