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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:50 PM
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36. It was not just Cotton Mather or the New England Elites
it was pervasive to the Colonies... not a colony, the colonies.

And yes it was the aristocracy, ALL OF THEM, who went there... and their descendants still believe this... and so do their political followers, who drink the kool aid.

These are long distant echoes, patters if you will...

American Historians tend to mostly stay away from this study of patterns. I mean after all we are outside of history, and patterns are only for those others (French Academy chiefly) who see them in history. But believe you me, there are echoes, distant echoes. Hell some of them go back to the medieval period, but most of the echoes in the United States go back to 16th century colonization which went hand in hand with the end of the Enclosure movement in the UK and the rise of a powerful landed elite.

Hell was thinking of just doing the just the facts ma'am school of history for this little history of labor, but I now have come to realize that patterns, echoes, are critical to the story.

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  -On mass deportations and racism in US History. nadinbrzezinski  Apr-26-10 10:24 PM   #0 
  - Yep. Nothing more American that what's happened in Arizona. Nice post.  BlooInBloo   Apr-26-10 10:25 PM   #1 
  - USA ==> United States of the Anglos  UndertheOcean   Apr-26-10 10:31 PM   #2 
  - Who the anglos are changes from generation to generation  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:37 PM   #4 
  - Off To The Greatest Page With You !!!  WillyT   Apr-26-10 10:32 PM   #3 
  - Thanks  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:38 PM   #5 
  - Nor should we forget what Carey McWilliams called the California Japanese War...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-26-10 10:48 PM   #6 
  - I knew I was forgetting a group  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:52 PM   #7 
  - In La Jolla, even up into the 60's after the civil rights act...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-26-10 11:17 PM   #9 
     - And that was the case in way too many La Jollas across the country  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:20 PM   #10 
     - Another reason to hate La Jolla....  Nikki Stone1   Apr-27-10 12:24 AM   #19 
        - It is not La Jolla, but the people who made it. n/t  Ozymanithrax   Apr-27-10 10:31 AM   #29 
  - And the Chinese Exclusion Act  Nikki Stone1   Apr-27-10 12:23 AM   #18 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Apr-26-10 11:12 PM   #8 
  - Initially more a MA colony rather than VA story.  unc70   Apr-26-10 11:34 PM   #11 
  - Actually White Slavery came to Virginia first  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:37 PM   #12 
     - It was still being practiced in the mid-late 1800s  WolverineDG   Apr-27-10 12:14 AM   #15 
     - Indeed and the White Star line transported many undesirables  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 12:16 AM   #16 
        - He ended up in Indiana, so much for the "Free" North, huh  WolverineDG   Apr-27-10 07:29 AM   #28 
     - Racial, chattel slavery started in MA, not VA  unc70   Apr-27-10 12:30 AM   #20 
        - Give me a second  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 12:45 AM   #21 
        - Gilbert's 1578 expedition failed, was heading into present day Canada  unc70   Apr-27-10 02:15 AM   #27 
           - I know that, but the precedent was his expedition  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 10:50 AM   #30 
              - Attitude on labor set my New England elites, not indentured or other workers  unc70   Apr-27-10 02:34 PM   #33 
                 - It was not just Cotton Mather or the New England Elites  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:50 PM   #36 
                    - Pervasive, yes, but led by New England, enshrined by NE historians  unc70   Apr-27-10 05:28 PM   #39 
                       - We are free to disagree  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 07:07 PM   #40 
                          - American Exceptionalism, intolerance, and bigotry are at the core of our problems  unc70   Apr-27-10 11:47 PM   #44 
        - First African slaves British North America  Thothmes   Apr-27-10 08:08 PM   #41 
           - They were not "slaves", but "servants" to use the terms of the time  unc70   Apr-27-10 11:11 PM   #42 
              - and as a piece of trivia from very modern research  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 11:14 PM   #43 
  - Shouldn't leave out the "sundown towns"  Brewman_Jax   Apr-26-10 11:37 PM   #13 
  - Of course not  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:47 PM   #14 
  - Sundown towns first in early colonial times, whole states later  unc70   Apr-27-10 04:35 PM   #35 
  - "Plane Wreck at Los Gatos," Woody Guthrie  Ron Green   Apr-27-10 12:23 AM   #17 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Apr-27-10 01:02 AM   #22 
  - And there were the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese. All were severely discriminated against.  Kablooie   Apr-27-10 01:03 AM   #23 
  - Of course  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 01:04 AM   #24 
     - But they were all pretty well assimilated but it took a over a generation to happen.  Kablooie   Apr-27-10 01:09 AM   #25 
        - And we'd have to ask why the brown were not, mostly  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 01:13 AM   #26 
  - k/r -- good post and discussion  fishwax   Apr-27-10 11:04 AM   #31 
  - The Protestant ethic. But ethnic cleansing in this hemisphere began with Columbus and the Arawaks.  WinkyDink   Apr-27-10 11:29 AM   #32 
  - You know my problem with the Spanish Black Legend  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:53 PM   #37 
  - History will not  conscious evolution   Apr-27-10 03:20 PM   #34 
     - Sadly depends on who wins this battle  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:53 PM   #38 
 

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