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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:24 PM
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On mass deportations and racism in US History.
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You are right, some of you on DU are very right... this is not like Nazi Germany... very, very right. This is about US History and it's patterns of ethnic cleansing and mass deportations.

You think I am kidding?

Well the first efforts to EXTERMINATE a people who dared live on OUR lands, was in Virginia early in the Colonial Period... yep, that is when a few things started, like oh poisoning whole groups of Warriors of those tribes that dared resist us. I mean it is not like they were good and descent Christians or knew how to properly work the land. And of course then we came with the Black Legend of the Spanish Conquest. I mean the Spaniards were far worst than we were... oh wait... what do I hear there? The Spaniards actually HAD kids with the locals... and a few more of the locals actually survived the experience. No, not because the Spaniards were better... oh no siree, but they were a little more effective in converting the locals and not killing ALL.

Of course this did not just stop with the early colony. All of you remember the French Indian Wars? If you do, take a bow... most Americans don't. Well, shall we say scalping is not something the locals invented. Oh no, that was us... oh wait, but Hollywood has managed to shine that turd.

Nor did this stop after Independence.

The Trail of Tears come to mind, or the whole sale stealing of Haciendas by the Anglos who came into the lands conquered from the Tejanos and Californios and others, some of whose descendants today face being criminalized for being brown. And of course, that shameful thing called the Reservation System... where do you think some European got ideas on how to treat undesirable groups? Who do think were the ones who inspired them? Good... another turd, and nasty bit we have managed to collectively forget.

But that is not all... then we got sneaky about cheap labor. And we got workers from Mexico to do our dirty bits during WW I, many of whom had children here, and those kids were deported during the Great Depression. On and this would repeat itself during WW II, and the 1950s. You may not be familiar with the term, but Brasero is not exactly a term of endearment.

So you think this bill in Arizona is about Nazi Germany or just plain out US History?

This is in the water, and it's come to us every so often.

Oh and let's not go into how these Mexicans are referred to. I mean they are carriers of disease and increase crime... like any person studying US History, I mean actually readying it, has not heard this before, for ahem insert immigrant group here. Yep, it is there, and this law in Arizona is about this. Oh and there is more. What the Lt. Governor of Georgia said today about them lazy ones that will not work... my lord was I readying Governor Berkeley of Virginia back in the days of the Jamestown Colony? This is also a theme... the poor and the disenfranchised are just cogs, to be abused so a patrician elite can make a good living.

This is not Capitalism by the way... it goes back to oh the 1600's and has a good link to the attitudes of the Lord of the manor over his serfs.

So you are right, this is not Nazi Germany, but as American as Apple Pie...

And I expect the usual suspects to now tell me why I am being chicken little and none of this ever happened, or why it would never happen again...

Mr. Santayana comes to mind... those who forget history (and most Americans do, regularly) are condemned to repeat it.

But forgive me if this echo of US History is also VERY SIMILAR to those of European History... as they say we are NOT that unique, or special. Just like everybody else, we shine our turds... until they come back at us in a blinding way. But we have chosen to be truly blinded by the shiny... and it is just fools gold...
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  -On mass deportations and racism in US History. nadinbrzezinski  Apr-26-10 10:24 PM   #0 
  - Yep. Nothing more American that what's happened in Arizona. Nice post.  BlooInBloo   Apr-26-10 10:25 PM   #1 
  - USA ==> United States of the Anglos  UndertheOcean   Apr-26-10 10:31 PM   #2 
  - Who the anglos are changes from generation to generation  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:37 PM   #4 
  - Off To The Greatest Page With You !!!  WillyT   Apr-26-10 10:32 PM   #3 
  - Thanks  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:38 PM   #5 
  - Nor should we forget what Carey McWilliams called the California Japanese War...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-26-10 10:48 PM   #6 
  - I knew I was forgetting a group  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 10:52 PM   #7 
  - In La Jolla, even up into the 60's after the civil rights act...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-26-10 11:17 PM   #9 
     - And that was the case in way too many La Jollas across the country  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:20 PM   #10 
     - Another reason to hate La Jolla....  Nikki Stone1   Apr-27-10 12:24 AM   #19 
        - It is not La Jolla, but the people who made it. n/t  Ozymanithrax   Apr-27-10 10:31 AM   #29 
  - And the Chinese Exclusion Act  Nikki Stone1   Apr-27-10 12:23 AM   #18 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Apr-26-10 11:12 PM   #8 
  - Initially more a MA colony rather than VA story.  unc70   Apr-26-10 11:34 PM   #11 
  - Actually White Slavery came to Virginia first  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:37 PM   #12 
     - It was still being practiced in the mid-late 1800s  WolverineDG   Apr-27-10 12:14 AM   #15 
     - Indeed and the White Star line transported many undesirables  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 12:16 AM   #16 
        - He ended up in Indiana, so much for the "Free" North, huh  WolverineDG   Apr-27-10 07:29 AM   #28 
     - Racial, chattel slavery started in MA, not VA  unc70   Apr-27-10 12:30 AM   #20 
        - Give me a second  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 12:45 AM   #21 
        - Gilbert's 1578 expedition failed, was heading into present day Canada  unc70   Apr-27-10 02:15 AM   #27 
           - I know that, but the precedent was his expedition  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 10:50 AM   #30 
              - Attitude on labor set my New England elites, not indentured or other workers  unc70   Apr-27-10 02:34 PM   #33 
                 - It was not just Cotton Mather or the New England Elites  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:50 PM   #36 
                    - Pervasive, yes, but led by New England, enshrined by NE historians  unc70   Apr-27-10 05:28 PM   #39 
                       - We are free to disagree  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 07:07 PM   #40 
                          - American Exceptionalism, intolerance, and bigotry are at the core of our problems  unc70   Apr-27-10 11:47 PM   #44 
        - First African slaves British North America  Thothmes   Apr-27-10 08:08 PM   #41 
           - They were not "slaves", but "servants" to use the terms of the time  unc70   Apr-27-10 11:11 PM   #42 
              - and as a piece of trivia from very modern research  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 11:14 PM   #43 
  - Shouldn't leave out the "sundown towns"  Brewman_Jax   Apr-26-10 11:37 PM   #13 
  - Of course not  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-26-10 11:47 PM   #14 
  - Sundown towns first in early colonial times, whole states later  unc70   Apr-27-10 04:35 PM   #35 
  - "Plane Wreck at Los Gatos," Woody Guthrie  Ron Green   Apr-27-10 12:23 AM   #17 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Apr-27-10 01:02 AM   #22 
  - And there were the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese. All were severely discriminated against.  Kablooie   Apr-27-10 01:03 AM   #23 
  - Of course  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 01:04 AM   #24 
     - But they were all pretty well assimilated but it took a over a generation to happen.  Kablooie   Apr-27-10 01:09 AM   #25 
        - And we'd have to ask why the brown were not, mostly  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 01:13 AM   #26 
  - k/r -- good post and discussion  fishwax   Apr-27-10 11:04 AM   #31 
  - The Protestant ethic. But ethnic cleansing in this hemisphere began with Columbus and the Arawaks.  WinkyDink   Apr-27-10 11:29 AM   #32 
  - You know my problem with the Spanish Black Legend  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:53 PM   #37 
  - History will not  conscious evolution   Apr-27-10 03:20 PM   #34 
     - Sadly depends on who wins this battle  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-27-10 04:53 PM   #38 

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