Nikki Stone1
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:43 PM
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| -Boycotting Arizona is stupid. Do something productive and help us take back |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:21 AM |
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Thank you - I am getting so fed up with all of this. We did not vote for Brewer. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:29 AM |
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And taking the most selfish view is going to help how? |
aquart |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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I didn't realize that asking for help to kick the racists out of office was selfish. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:44 AM |
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WTF! |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 03:29 AM |
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I'm supposed to sacrifice a home & eating....oh sure. |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 12:06 PM |
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Isn't that what this law will mean for many people? |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:46 PM |
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I'm an artist who depends on the tourists to buy my work. |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 01:51 PM |
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Precisely. This is about survival. I hope your business doesn't suffer. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:41 PM |
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Then you need to let your state know these things! |
Codeine |
Apr-25-10 05:50 PM |
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Very True |
atreides1 |
Apr-25-10 07:18 AM |
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+1000 |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 12:05 PM |
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They aren't mutually exclusive goals. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:31 AM |
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Are you willing to help turn Arizona blue, or are you only willing to make things worse for us? |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:32 AM |
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I typed it as clear as I could, jillan. They aren't mutually exclusive goals. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:33 AM |
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And I've typed it as c l e a r l y as I can. Are you willing to help us get rid of these racists? |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:34 AM |
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I would support a boycott which would be undertaken to oppose |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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How about donating money to Democratic candidates in AZ? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:08 PM |
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I'm having some difficulty understanding how a boycott would help the right-wing. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-25-10 12:10 PM |
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And you don't think it would be more productive to help us take back the state? |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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If I am suggesting that the two are not mutually exclusive, saracat, |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:36 AM |
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Just for the record - I rec'd this thread and someone came along and unrec'd it. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:31 AM |
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Rec'ing to make up for the unrec ~ |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-25-10 02:42 AM |
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I do understand - it's just frustrating to be inside of this mess. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 03:03 AM |
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Call their offices and tell them about your family and friends |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-25-10 03:34 AM |
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We do need the help to elect Goddard |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 02:33 AM |
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They can't contribute to terry goddard because he is a Clean Elections candidate but they can |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:37 AM |
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Raising Arizona. |
Webster Green |
Apr-25-10 02:34 AM |
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When the AZ electorate acts responsibly, they have a shot at getting my dollars. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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The Mayor of Phoenix is trying to stop this bill. He is introducing a possible lawsuit on Tuesday. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:38 AM |
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Sounds awesome. Let me know when the law is off the books. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 03:06 AM |
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So you would prefer NOT to help us take the state back? |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:43 AM |
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I'm beginning to think it's a lost cause around here. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:54 AM |
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Maybe I will see you tommorrow. I will keep an eye out. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:59 AM |
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I refuse to have any participation whatsoever with a Jim Crow state. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 03:05 AM |
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Sure you would if I think you are who I believe you are |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 06:03 AM |
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King's specific tool of success was the Montgomery boycott. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 06:06 AM |
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And the boycott of AZ is what FINALLY made them approve MLK Holiday |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:38 AM |
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Agree whole-heartedly. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 11:40 AM |
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Why thank you. |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:45 AM |
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Time very well spent either way. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 11:46 AM |
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True dat, BUT King's boycott was targeted at the bus company |
KamaAina |
Apr-25-10 12:27 PM |
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Those boundaries pertain but the action succeeded, ending in a |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 12:29 PM |
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You better bet I'm keeping my brown butt and money out of AZ as long as it isn't safe for me. |
Exultant Democracy |
Apr-25-10 02:37 AM |
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Ok folks please quit unrec this thread It is really childish |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 02:43 AM |
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Thank you Sarge. I am hoping we can do something constructive about all this. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:45 AM |
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Childish?... Nice condescension... |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 02:59 AM |
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Nice show of support for fellow Dems. Bankrupt us. that is really progressive of you. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:02 AM |
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Ahh, so now it's fellow Dems... not fellow progressives? |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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Who asked you to? Like Sarge, I have to get some rest. I have a protest to |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:40 AM |
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Who asked me to? Uhh, YOU, if I read the OP correctly. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 03:57 AM |
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thanks for proving my point |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:10 AM |
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Thank you for your condolences for my childishness. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 04:15 AM |
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Human rights activists in Honduras supported the embargo |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:16 AM |
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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 03:50 AM |
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No. |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:13 AM |
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Cool - self-proclaimed "true progressive" telling people which threads |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 03:35 AM |
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i haven't rec'd or unrec'd |
barbtries |
Apr-25-10 06:28 AM |
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by the way, |
barbtries |
Apr-25-10 06:29 AM |
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Boycotts can be effective tools in setting things to right. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:53 AM |
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Some times they are however |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:06 AM |
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Sarge, it didn't stop Dr. King from organizing and leading the |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:19 AM |
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If it makes you feel any better, I suspect the vast majority |
kiva |
Apr-25-10 03:00 AM |
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Thank you very much for the sanity and Goddard is a very decent man |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:05 AM |
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You're welcome. |
kiva |
Apr-25-10 03:13 AM |
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Amazes me Goddard is still alive. The Phoenix 500 and winger minions play rough |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:41 AM |
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It's not necessary to physically be in AZ to participate in a boycott. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:14 AM |
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That's an effective way to pressure a state economy. |
kiva |
Apr-25-10 03:22 AM |
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Sure. I think this really is going to take off. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:30 AM |
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Agree. The law is cowardly and stinks of racism. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:31 AM |
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That's the odor of Republicans opening wallets. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:35 AM |
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LOL. Indeed. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:37 AM |
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Well, I would have been visiting Az since I just left there three |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-25-10 03:59 AM |
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Yep. One can boycott AZ and AZ companies AND send $$ to DEM candidates |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:42 AM |
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real boycotts are tricky to get going |
Snazzy |
Apr-25-10 03:03 AM |
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I have been tore on this issue |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:19 AM |
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Delete Dupe |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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Delete Dupe |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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Amen. What these folks don't realize is how little this would effect those responsible. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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I will take exception to being "these folks" Saracat |
Snazzy |
Apr-25-10 03:44 AM |
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If those boycotting are vocal to the AZ Chamber of Commerce, Hotel owners associations.... |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:48 AM |
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Amen saracat. |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 12:08 PM |
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This action that you called "stupid" is being called |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 05:46 PM |
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Wouldn't that be a form of boycott? n/t |
Snazzy |
Apr-25-10 03:47 AM |
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So you want us to not boycott, ie spend money in your state, AND |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:12 AM |
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Look at what I said please |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:21 AM |
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I get it, I just disagree. I am 100% in favor of boycotting AZ, and |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:29 AM |
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Federal invention absolutely necessary. Boycott will also get their attention. Money matters. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 03:40 AM |
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Good point, and practical and long-range, too. Hi lonestarnot. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:42 AM |
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Who is big besides Petsmart and the D-Backs? |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:06 AM |
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Walfart. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 04:25 AM |
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LOL. Are they out of AZ? |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:29 AM |
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LOL. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 04:39 AM |
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I had to reply to this |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:42 AM |
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Would you have told Martin Luther King to back off on the 1955 boycott |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:44 AM |
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Again you have to remember how that was done |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 05:59 AM |
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No one suggests suffering is a goal. There was very close to no one |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 06:20 AM |
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No one boycotted Katrina, the Bush admin simply failed. You are entirely |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:47 AM |
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Consider this |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 05:44 AM |
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Entitled to how I spend my money as well. |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 11:59 AM |
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Supporting the Latino community's call for a boycott is not reactionary |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:04 AM |
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How do you support the Latino Community when |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 05:51 AM |
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You take too much for granted. That's a mistake. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 10:57 AM |
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Arizona Congress member Raul Grijalva called for a boycott |
JI7 |
Apr-25-10 03:14 AM |
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Raul did that before she signed the bill hoping the threat would |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:22 AM |
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He hasn't changed his position as of Saturday when he spoke |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:27 AM |
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I can't rec your post, EFerrari, because the software doesn't allow it, |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:29 AM |
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Well, then I disagree with him. I would be surprised if any of our other delegation would support |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:32 AM |
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I'd like to see how Arizona Democrats handle themselves. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:37 AM |
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Yes he did and if you read my post correctly |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:25 AM |
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What makes you think that those affected "will hold out longer"? |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 04:59 AM |
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I don't do AZ, so there's little chance that I could boycott. But I fully support... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-25-10 03:32 AM |
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Well I got to get some sleep Going to the protest |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:32 AM |
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Here's some lawyers who don't like the bill much at all: |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:16 AM |
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In 2006, the Latino pop of AZ was about 30%. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:28 AM |
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It is an astonishing thing to watch a governor of a U.S. State sign |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:30 AM |
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Joegreenbolgna had already done that. Horseface stoked the embers. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 04:41 AM |
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I think the boycott will take hold and be sustained, |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:42 AM |
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For a long time, the point of boycotts is to insist on higher principles |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:53 AM |
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If they try to take away the greater good we resist. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 05:09 AM |
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Yes. Rosa Parks was not asking for anything more than her own |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 05:12 AM |
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i don't think it's stupid to boycott the state. |
barbtries |
Apr-25-10 06:13 AM |
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A fine piece from THE NATION's John Nichols on the Arizona mess: |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 06:14 AM |
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Sorry - AZ is out of my travel plans until they rescind this measure. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Apr-25-10 06:35 AM |
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It is neither 'stupid' nor un-productive |
ixion |
Apr-25-10 06:40 AM |
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Would You Have Traveled To Germany In 1933?? |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-25-10 07:32 AM |
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I posted yesterday about my concerns re: boycotts and the poor |
hlthe2b |
Apr-25-10 08:03 AM |
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Pressure the BIG GUYS! |
Karenina |
Apr-25-10 12:14 PM |
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More Big Guys here (Walmart, Petsmart, Cox, more) |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:39 PM |
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The Latino community is calling for a boycott |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:40 PM |
#128 |
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Your state's racist laws are for you to fix. |
Codeine |
Apr-25-10 08:18 AM |
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I thought one thing that made Democrats better was.... |
KonaKane |
Apr-26-10 07:02 PM |
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Petition each County Commissioner, Police Commissioner, Mayor... |
mwooldri |
Apr-25-10 11:58 AM |
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Sorry. We won't be going there. DH has a "funny accent" and I don't think we'll be welcome. |
krabigirl |
Apr-25-10 11:59 AM |
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What's With the Either/Or Thinking? Why Would You Give Up a Powerful Protest Tool? |
PopSixSquish |
Apr-25-10 12:28 PM |
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I haven't seen anything from him about how this law violates the rights |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 05:39 PM |
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Maybe you should start a nonprofit dedicated to getting rid of the "Jaime Cuervo" law |
KamaAina |
Apr-25-10 12:29 PM |
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There are a number of orgs already on this |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:42 PM |
#129 |
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Amen. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-25-10 01:43 PM |
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I think both approaches can be useful |
fishwax |
Apr-25-10 01:52 PM |
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Arizona won't get a penny from me until this is fixed. I've been there |
DevonRex |
Apr-25-10 01:55 PM |
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Brewer rose to the governorship because Obama appointed Napolitano |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-25-10 02:43 PM |
#135 |
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Thank you. I agree. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 10:19 PM |
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I wouldn't step foot in the state if you paid me at this point. |
Raineyb |
Apr-25-10 05:55 PM |
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I'm sure they won't miss you |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 05:56 PM |
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I bloody well won't miss them. And as I don't make it a habit to travel |
Raineyb |
Apr-26-10 06:38 PM |
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You know, you could always do something positive: |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:42 PM |
#147 |
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Has Goddard said anything about the human rights aspect of |
EFerrari |
Apr-26-10 06:53 PM |
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I haven't heard anything, but I've been at work. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:58 PM |
#154 |
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If I lived in AZ I wouldn't be worried about the boycott. |
Telly Savalas |
Apr-25-10 10:44 PM |
#142 |
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We had a run in once before about AZ |
rufus dog |
Apr-25-10 10:50 PM |
#143 |
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Until the law is thrown out, we're boycotting Arizona. Think you have it tough now? |
Major Hogwash |
Apr-26-10 06:51 PM |
#148 |
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Why don't you just support the Democrats there instead? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:53 PM |
#149 |
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Yah - like those lawmakers just magically appeared from out of nowhere. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-10 06:56 PM |
#152 |
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Money always helps. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:57 PM |
#153 |
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As some bright person noted, it has been like 20 years since the MLK bigot debacle there... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-10 07:01 PM |
#155 |
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Why not both? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-26-10 06:55 PM |
#151 |
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I'm in the boycott AND support the Democratic candidates column. I understand that |
bertman |
Apr-26-10 08:37 PM |
#157 |
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Were you against the SC/ Confederate Flag boycott? |
ecstatic |
Apr-26-10 11:42 PM |
#158 |
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