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Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 AM
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| 18. So you would prefer NOT to help us take the state back? |
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Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 AM by saracat
Almost half this state voted for Obama. Arizona had the first Hispanic governor in Raul Castro. Our previous Governor was a Democrat. We have sucessfully taken the majority of our congressional seats and because of a few jackasses in the state legislature and an "appointed accidental governor" you would rather punish an entire state? How does that even make any sense? Do you even realize that the last Governor this state elected was a Democrat? our Attorney generl is a Democrat. Was our electorate responsible when they elected them? The only constructive thing to do is ensure we take the state back.That is the only thing that will end this.
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| -Boycotting Arizona is stupid. Do something productive and help us take back |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:21 AM |
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Thank you - I am getting so fed up with all of this. We did not vote for Brewer. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:29 AM |
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And taking the most selfish view is going to help how? |
aquart |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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I didn't realize that asking for help to kick the racists out of office was selfish. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:44 AM |
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WTF! |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 03:29 AM |
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I'm supposed to sacrifice a home & eating....oh sure. |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 12:06 PM |
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Isn't that what this law will mean for many people? |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:46 PM |
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I'm an artist who depends on the tourists to buy my work. |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 01:51 PM |
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Precisely. This is about survival. I hope your business doesn't suffer. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:41 PM |
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Then you need to let your state know these things! |
Codeine |
Apr-25-10 05:50 PM |
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Very True |
atreides1 |
Apr-25-10 07:18 AM |
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+1000 |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 12:05 PM |
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They aren't mutually exclusive goals. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:31 AM |
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Are you willing to help turn Arizona blue, or are you only willing to make things worse for us? |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:32 AM |
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I typed it as clear as I could, jillan. They aren't mutually exclusive goals. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:33 AM |
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And I've typed it as c l e a r l y as I can. Are you willing to help us get rid of these racists? |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:34 AM |
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I would support a boycott which would be undertaken to oppose |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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How about donating money to Democratic candidates in AZ? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:08 PM |
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I'm having some difficulty understanding how a boycott would help the right-wing. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-25-10 12:10 PM |
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And you don't think it would be more productive to help us take back the state? |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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If I am suggesting that the two are not mutually exclusive, saracat, |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:36 AM |
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Just for the record - I rec'd this thread and someone came along and unrec'd it. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:31 AM |
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Rec'ing to make up for the unrec ~ |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-25-10 02:42 AM |
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I do understand - it's just frustrating to be inside of this mess. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 03:03 AM |
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Call their offices and tell them about your family and friends |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-25-10 03:34 AM |
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We do need the help to elect Goddard |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 02:33 AM |
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They can't contribute to terry goddard because he is a Clean Elections candidate but they can |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:37 AM |
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Raising Arizona. |
Webster Green |
Apr-25-10 02:34 AM |
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When the AZ electorate acts responsibly, they have a shot at getting my dollars. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 02:35 AM |
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The Mayor of Phoenix is trying to stop this bill. He is introducing a possible lawsuit on Tuesday. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:38 AM |
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Sounds awesome. Let me know when the law is off the books. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 03:06 AM |
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So you would prefer NOT to help us take the state back? |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:43 AM |
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I'm beginning to think it's a lost cause around here. |
jillan |
Apr-25-10 02:54 AM |
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Maybe I will see you tommorrow. I will keep an eye out. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:59 AM |
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I refuse to have any participation whatsoever with a Jim Crow state. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 03:05 AM |
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Sure you would if I think you are who I believe you are |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 06:03 AM |
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King's specific tool of success was the Montgomery boycott. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 06:06 AM |
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And the boycott of AZ is what FINALLY made them approve MLK Holiday |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:38 AM |
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Agree whole-heartedly. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 11:40 AM |
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Why thank you. |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:45 AM |
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Time very well spent either way. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 11:46 AM |
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True dat, BUT King's boycott was targeted at the bus company |
KamaAina |
Apr-25-10 12:27 PM |
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Those boundaries pertain but the action succeeded, ending in a |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 12:29 PM |
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You better bet I'm keeping my brown butt and money out of AZ as long as it isn't safe for me. |
Exultant Democracy |
Apr-25-10 02:37 AM |
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Ok folks please quit unrec this thread It is really childish |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 02:43 AM |
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Thank you Sarge. I am hoping we can do something constructive about all this. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 02:45 AM |
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Childish?... Nice condescension... |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 02:59 AM |
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Nice show of support for fellow Dems. Bankrupt us. that is really progressive of you. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:02 AM |
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Ahh, so now it's fellow Dems... not fellow progressives? |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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Who asked you to? Like Sarge, I have to get some rest. I have a protest to |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:40 AM |
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Who asked me to? Uhh, YOU, if I read the OP correctly. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 03:57 AM |
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thanks for proving my point |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:10 AM |
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Thank you for your condolences for my childishness. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 04:15 AM |
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Human rights activists in Honduras supported the embargo |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:16 AM |
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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 03:50 AM |
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No. |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:13 AM |
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Cool - self-proclaimed "true progressive" telling people which threads |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-25-10 03:35 AM |
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i haven't rec'd or unrec'd |
barbtries |
Apr-25-10 06:28 AM |
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by the way, |
barbtries |
Apr-25-10 06:29 AM |
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Boycotts can be effective tools in setting things to right. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 02:53 AM |
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Some times they are however |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:06 AM |
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Sarge, it didn't stop Dr. King from organizing and leading the |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:19 AM |
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If it makes you feel any better, I suspect the vast majority |
kiva |
Apr-25-10 03:00 AM |
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Thank you very much for the sanity and Goddard is a very decent man |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:05 AM |
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You're welcome. |
kiva |
Apr-25-10 03:13 AM |
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Amazes me Goddard is still alive. The Phoenix 500 and winger minions play rough |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:41 AM |
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It's not necessary to physically be in AZ to participate in a boycott. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:14 AM |
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That's an effective way to pressure a state economy. |
kiva |
Apr-25-10 03:22 AM |
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Sure. I think this really is going to take off. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:30 AM |
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Agree. The law is cowardly and stinks of racism. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:31 AM |
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That's the odor of Republicans opening wallets. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:35 AM |
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LOL. Indeed. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:37 AM |
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Well, I would have been visiting Az since I just left there three |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-25-10 03:59 AM |
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Yep. One can boycott AZ and AZ companies AND send $$ to DEM candidates |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:42 AM |
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real boycotts are tricky to get going |
Snazzy |
Apr-25-10 03:03 AM |
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I have been tore on this issue |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:19 AM |
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Delete Dupe |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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Delete Dupe |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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Amen. What these folks don't realize is how little this would effect those responsible. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:24 AM |
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I will take exception to being "these folks" Saracat |
Snazzy |
Apr-25-10 03:44 AM |
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If those boycotting are vocal to the AZ Chamber of Commerce, Hotel owners associations.... |
havocmom |
Apr-25-10 11:48 AM |
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Amen saracat. |
Desertrose |
Apr-25-10 12:08 PM |
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This action that you called "stupid" is being called |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 05:46 PM |
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Wouldn't that be a form of boycott? n/t |
Snazzy |
Apr-25-10 03:47 AM |
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So you want us to not boycott, ie spend money in your state, AND |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:12 AM |
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Look at what I said please |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:21 AM |
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I get it, I just disagree. I am 100% in favor of boycotting AZ, and |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:29 AM |
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Federal invention absolutely necessary. Boycott will also get their attention. Money matters. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 03:40 AM |
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Good point, and practical and long-range, too. Hi lonestarnot. |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:42 AM |
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Who is big besides Petsmart and the D-Backs? |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:06 AM |
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Walfart. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 04:25 AM |
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LOL. Are they out of AZ? |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:29 AM |
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LOL. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 04:39 AM |
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I had to reply to this |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:42 AM |
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Would you have told Martin Luther King to back off on the 1955 boycott |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:44 AM |
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Again you have to remember how that was done |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 05:59 AM |
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No one suggests suffering is a goal. There was very close to no one |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 06:20 AM |
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No one boycotted Katrina, the Bush admin simply failed. You are entirely |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 03:47 AM |
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Consider this |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 05:44 AM |
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Entitled to how I spend my money as well. |
Better Today |
Apr-25-10 11:59 AM |
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Supporting the Latino community's call for a boycott is not reactionary |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:04 AM |
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How do you support the Latino Community when |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 05:51 AM |
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You take too much for granted. That's a mistake. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 10:57 AM |
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Arizona Congress member Raul Grijalva called for a boycott |
JI7 |
Apr-25-10 03:14 AM |
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Raul did that before she signed the bill hoping the threat would |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:22 AM |
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He hasn't changed his position as of Saturday when he spoke |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:27 AM |
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I can't rec your post, EFerrari, because the software doesn't allow it, |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 03:29 AM |
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Well, then I disagree with him. I would be surprised if any of our other delegation would support |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 03:32 AM |
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I'd like to see how Arizona Democrats handle themselves. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 03:37 AM |
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Yes he did and if you read my post correctly |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:25 AM |
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What makes you think that those affected "will hold out longer"? |
LooseWilly |
Apr-25-10 04:59 AM |
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I don't do AZ, so there's little chance that I could boycott. But I fully support... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-25-10 03:32 AM |
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Well I got to get some sleep Going to the protest |
SargeUNN |
Apr-25-10 03:32 AM |
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Here's some lawyers who don't like the bill much at all: |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:16 AM |
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In 2006, the Latino pop of AZ was about 30%. |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 04:28 AM |
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It is an astonishing thing to watch a governor of a U.S. State sign |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:30 AM |
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Joegreenbolgna had already done that. Horseface stoked the embers. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 04:41 AM |
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I think the boycott will take hold and be sustained, |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:42 AM |
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For a long time, the point of boycotts is to insist on higher principles |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 04:53 AM |
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If they try to take away the greater good we resist. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-25-10 05:09 AM |
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Yes. Rosa Parks was not asking for anything more than her own |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 05:12 AM |
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i don't think it's stupid to boycott the state. |
barbtries |
Apr-25-10 06:13 AM |
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A fine piece from THE NATION's John Nichols on the Arizona mess: |
saltpoint |
Apr-25-10 06:14 AM |
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Sorry - AZ is out of my travel plans until they rescind this measure. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Apr-25-10 06:35 AM |
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It is neither 'stupid' nor un-productive |
ixion |
Apr-25-10 06:40 AM |
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Would You Have Traveled To Germany In 1933?? |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-25-10 07:32 AM |
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I posted yesterday about my concerns re: boycotts and the poor |
hlthe2b |
Apr-25-10 08:03 AM |
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Pressure the BIG GUYS! |
Karenina |
Apr-25-10 12:14 PM |
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More Big Guys here (Walmart, Petsmart, Cox, more) |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:39 PM |
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The Latino community is calling for a boycott |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:40 PM |
#128 |
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Your state's racist laws are for you to fix. |
Codeine |
Apr-25-10 08:18 AM |
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I thought one thing that made Democrats better was.... |
KonaKane |
Apr-26-10 07:02 PM |
#156 |
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Petition each County Commissioner, Police Commissioner, Mayor... |
mwooldri |
Apr-25-10 11:58 AM |
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Sorry. We won't be going there. DH has a "funny accent" and I don't think we'll be welcome. |
krabigirl |
Apr-25-10 11:59 AM |
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What's With the Either/Or Thinking? Why Would You Give Up a Powerful Protest Tool? |
PopSixSquish |
Apr-25-10 12:28 PM |
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I haven't seen anything from him about how this law violates the rights |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 05:39 PM |
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Maybe you should start a nonprofit dedicated to getting rid of the "Jaime Cuervo" law |
KamaAina |
Apr-25-10 12:29 PM |
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There are a number of orgs already on this |
EFerrari |
Apr-25-10 01:42 PM |
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Amen. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-25-10 01:43 PM |
#130 |
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I think both approaches can be useful |
fishwax |
Apr-25-10 01:52 PM |
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Arizona won't get a penny from me until this is fixed. I've been there |
DevonRex |
Apr-25-10 01:55 PM |
#134 |
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Brewer rose to the governorship because Obama appointed Napolitano |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-25-10 02:43 PM |
#135 |
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Thank you. I agree. |
saracat |
Apr-25-10 10:19 PM |
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I wouldn't step foot in the state if you paid me at this point. |
Raineyb |
Apr-25-10 05:55 PM |
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I'm sure they won't miss you |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 05:56 PM |
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I bloody well won't miss them. And as I don't make it a habit to travel |
Raineyb |
Apr-26-10 06:38 PM |
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You know, you could always do something positive: |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:42 PM |
#147 |
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Has Goddard said anything about the human rights aspect of |
EFerrari |
Apr-26-10 06:53 PM |
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I haven't heard anything, but I've been at work. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:58 PM |
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If I lived in AZ I wouldn't be worried about the boycott. |
Telly Savalas |
Apr-25-10 10:44 PM |
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We had a run in once before about AZ |
rufus dog |
Apr-25-10 10:50 PM |
#143 |
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Until the law is thrown out, we're boycotting Arizona. Think you have it tough now? |
Major Hogwash |
Apr-26-10 06:51 PM |
#148 |
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Why don't you just support the Democrats there instead? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:53 PM |
#149 |
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Yah - like those lawmakers just magically appeared from out of nowhere. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-10 06:56 PM |
#152 |
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Money always helps. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-26-10 06:57 PM |
#153 |
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As some bright person noted, it has been like 20 years since the MLK bigot debacle there... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-10 07:01 PM |
#155 |
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Why not both? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-26-10 06:55 PM |
#151 |
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I'm in the boycott AND support the Democratic candidates column. I understand that |
bertman |
Apr-26-10 08:37 PM |
#157 |
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Were you against the SC/ Confederate Flag boycott? |
ecstatic |
Apr-26-10 11:42 PM |
#158 |
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