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20. I think I know what you mean, but I think it's about being "tribal."
There's a tendency to grab onto "Us vs. Them" instincts, from fear. (That's my theory, anyway.)

I think some people tend toward gathering and supporting a greater "Us," while others focus on their insecurities and fears of "Them." It's kind of the difference between "All for One and One for All" vs. "Every Man for Himself." It's kind of the difference between Socialism and Oligarchies. It's kind of the difference between liberals and so-called "conservatives."

I've sometimes thought the only thing that would get EVERY body on earth together would be a war against something that threatens everybody on the planet. Some people will only unite out of fear or hatred of something else...

Anyway, I don't think it's necessarily about race at all. I do NOT see people of other skin colors as an "outgroup" the way you describe. (I do admit seeing ignorant, intolerant, divisive people as an "outgroup" in that sense. They keep our "Us" from coming together.)

But no, I don't agree that "racism is the normal human state."
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  -On Racism: Gman2  Apr-24-10 07:18 PM   #0 
  - If you want to admit you're racist, be my guest.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-24-10 07:20 PM   #1 
  - It takes a big person to admit their humanity. And try to advance.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:25 PM   #3 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-10 07:30 PM   #7 
        - IT is a process, not a decision.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:31 PM   #10 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-10 07:38 PM   #13 
  - Horse shit.  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:24 PM   #2 
  - So, you have never reacted to unfamiliarity with dread?  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:25 PM   #4 
  - wtf are you talking about?  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:28 PM   #6 
  - +100  billh58   Apr-24-10 08:16 PM   #71 
  - Then explain,  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Apr-24-10 07:26 PM   #5 
  - Give that kid three years, and they will mercillously tease slight differences.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:31 PM   #8 
  - If you have to give that kid three years then that proves it's learned. (n/t)  jmm   Apr-24-10 08:03 PM   #48 
     - Maybe they get more discerning. Until then, they are wholly self concerned.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:05 PM   #53 
  - don't bother...  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:32 PM   #11 
  - So we're supposed to make nice with Republicans because we are racist, too?  tblue   Apr-24-10 07:31 PM   #9 
  - Thank you for considering it. I know it is counterintuitive.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:34 PM   #12 
  - understand this....  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:41 PM   #16 
     - Gracias. I don't have space in my head for this discussion tonight. nt  tblue   Apr-24-10 07:57 PM   #37 
        - i hear ya'...  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:59 PM   #44 
  - I call bullshit on your meme.  KonaKane   Apr-24-10 07:38 PM   #14 
  - good for you....!  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:43 PM   #17 
  - I am as non racist as anyone you have ever met.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:44 PM   #18 
     - So you're doing a 180 from your OP?  KonaKane   Apr-24-10 07:52 PM   #23 
     - It is a process. I am not done till death.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:56 PM   #34 
     - The non-racists I know...  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:52 PM   #26 
     - I thought you said you were racist -- just like everyone else ...  fishwax   Apr-24-10 08:00 PM   #45 
        - I am human, just like you. I have been in situations that would make some wet themselves.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:03 PM   #50 
           - if you haven't changed, then you're still racist, just like you were when you were born?  fishwax   Apr-24-10 08:04 PM   #51 
  - Racism is no more "genetic" than homicide is. You might as well say, "the devil made me do it.".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-24-10 07:39 PM   #15 
  - Those that understand that the devil is in all of us, are the better examples.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:45 PM   #19 
     - You have to believe in the devil to make that work.  KonaKane   Apr-24-10 07:53 PM   #28 
     - Nope, the devil is our fearful face.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:55 PM   #32 
     - The "devil" is not in our genes. Neither is racism.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-24-10 07:54 PM   #30 
  - I think I know what you mean, but I think it's about being "tribal."  Sparkly   Apr-24-10 07:47 PM   #20 
  - You kinda get one side. Hypervigilance is how you manipulate it.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:52 PM   #27 
  - I don't want to see this sort of filth on du.  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:48 PM   #21 
  - Philosophy?  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:51 PM   #22 
     - arrogant much?  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:55 PM   #33 
     - LMFAO  redqueen   Apr-24-10 08:17 PM   #72 
  - Racism is not in your DNA-- it's taught.  Marr   Apr-24-10 07:52 PM   #24 
  - Children discern slight differences just fine. Not just skin color.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:54 PM   #29 
     - Discerning a difference is not the same as defining an in-group.  Marr   Apr-24-10 07:56 PM   #35 
     - Not a teacher are you? Egalitarianism is taught, in large part, by good parents.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:57 PM   #38 
     - And, racism is taught by bad parents. It's NOT genetic.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-24-10 08:07 PM   #58 
     - Seen a lot of eye color-themed cliques, have you?  Marr   Apr-24-10 08:08 PM   #60 
     - exactly  fishwax   Apr-24-10 08:02 PM   #47 
     - Children can discern the difference between ice cream and applesauce.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-24-10 08:05 PM   #54 
        - Childrens first sense of power is NO. I DONT LIKE THAT.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:08 PM   #59 
  - no, racism is not genetic, nor is it the normal state  fishwax   Apr-24-10 07:52 PM   #25 
  - You were just born better?  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:54 PM   #31 
  - it's probably too late...  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:58 PM   #40 
  - You exhibit all the resistance the baggers show for the truth too.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 07:59 PM   #43 
     - that's bullshit  fishwax   Apr-24-10 08:05 PM   #55 
     - Racism, is zenophobia, just another aspect of it.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:06 PM   #57 
        - Ok-- we may all be xenophobic on some level, but--  Marr   Apr-24-10 08:13 PM   #68 
           - Not all taught. Natural, and influenced.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:16 PM   #70 
     - teabagger accusations....?  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 08:08 PM   #61 
  - huh?  fishwax   Apr-24-10 07:58 PM   #42 
  - ...................  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 07:56 PM   #36 
     - hiya bliss!  fishwax   Apr-24-10 08:06 PM   #56 
        - hullo, love...!  bliss_eternal   Apr-24-10 08:10 PM   #63 
           - no kidding!  fishwax   Apr-24-10 08:12 PM   #65 
  - Wait....what?  Forkboy   Apr-24-10 07:58 PM   #39 
  - RACIST!  redqueen   Apr-24-10 08:20 PM   #74 
  - maybe it's just my Asperger's talking, but I don't have a racist bone in my body.  Odin2005   Apr-24-10 07:58 PM   #41 
  - Good for you. You were born that way? Your parents helped?  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:00 PM   #46 
     - It's just the way I am.  Odin2005   Apr-24-10 08:03 PM   #49 
        - Do you work at it? Do you get better?  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:04 PM   #52 
  - this is ridiculous.  cali   Apr-24-10 08:09 PM   #62 
  - To be honest, I didnt expect many to understand.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:11 PM   #64 
  - Hey big fella,  billh58   Apr-24-10 08:22 PM   #76 
  - Not to mention, pathetic.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-24-10 08:12 PM   #67 
  - Oh bull fucking shit.  redqueen   Apr-24-10 08:12 PM   #66 
  - And I thank my parents for teaching us equality. Even more than they truly believed.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:15 PM   #69 
     - "Hispanics taking over?"  billh58   Apr-24-10 08:20 PM   #73 
     - "the hispanics taking over."  redqueen   Apr-24-10 08:23 PM   #77 
        - I was not raised that way. I didnt know my parents idiotic fears till adult.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:24 PM   #79 
           - Yeah... I think you might need to meditate on some stuff.  redqueen   Apr-24-10 08:26 PM   #81 
  - Racism is learned.  Shell Beau   Apr-24-10 08:22 PM   #75 
  - They are too self involved to notice much, till 3 or 4.  Gman2   Apr-24-10 08:25 PM   #80 
     - And look at any 3 or 4 year old. They don't know there is  Shell Beau   Apr-24-10 08:27 PM   #83 
  - Hmmm...interesting take on it, but I don't think we're all  pipi_k   Apr-24-10 08:24 PM   #78 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-10 08:26 PM   #82 
  - Locking  TrogL   Apr-24-10 08:28 PM   #84 

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