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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 04:00 PM
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13. What the hell?
Is it crap on brown people day?
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  - Illegal alien wins defamation case for being called a 'criminal' set back for 1st Amendment The Northerner  Apr-23-10 03:34 PM   #0 
  - What do you think about this?  blm   Apr-23-10 03:42 PM   #1 
  - A Proper Verdict, Sir: Hardly a 'Set-Back For The First Amendment'  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 03:45 PM   #2 
  - If I were to sneak into Mexico, I could not accurately be described there as a criminal? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 03:51 PM   #7 
     - My Ignorance Of Mexican Law, Sir, Is Complete  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 03:56 PM   #10 
     - in mexico, it's a two year felony to enter unlawfully fwiw  paulsby   Apr-23-10 05:08 PM   #65 
        - Thank You For The Fact, Sir, But Of Course It Is Irrelevant To This Discussion  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 05:12 PM   #68 
           - i agree. but u claimed ignorance on this matter  paulsby   Apr-23-10 05:19 PM   #75 
              - No Problem, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 05:23 PM   #79 
     - Of course  notesdev   Apr-23-10 04:03 PM   #16 
     - And What, Sir, Is My Agenda?  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:06 PM   #18 
     - Why don't you tell us?  notesdev   Apr-23-10 04:09 PM   #22 
        - Have You Read The Article, Sir? Poor Tripe As It Is, It Makes What the Verdict Actually Concerned  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:12 PM   #26 
        - I suspect His Honor is a sleeper for the Mexican Government,  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 04:13 PM   #27 
        - ROFLMAO!  laughingliberal   Apr-23-10 04:15 PM   #30 
        - What does the Mexican side of the equation half to do with the price of beans in China?  MattBaggins   Apr-23-10 04:20 PM   #33 
     - NEWSFLASH: the US Constitution & your civil rights end at the border  WolverineDG   Apr-23-10 05:02 PM   #59 
     - Sure and that's why your government is a criminal for sneaking into Mexico  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 04:09 PM   #21 
     - If you had been tried in a court of law and found to be a criminal  MattBaggins   Apr-23-10 04:15 PM   #29 
        - So you think emails should be held to the same standard as TV news? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 05:38 PM   #87 
           - Absolutely  MattBaggins   Apr-23-10 07:01 PM   #103 
              - Then DU's days are numbered. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 07:05 PM   #104 
  - The 1st amendment doesn't protect defamation.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-23-10 03:46 PM   #3 
  - 'set back (sic) for 1st Amendment'? - dramatic!  Bluebear   Apr-23-10 03:47 PM   #4 
  - Their copy editors are utterly hopeless  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 04:32 PM   #38 
  - I'm not sure what the set back is to the First Amendment  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 03:47 PM   #5 
  - Apparently, Sir, A White Racist was Held To Account In Court By A Brown Person For Lawbreaking  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 03:50 PM   #6 
     - Well after all, the man just wants his country back.  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 03:57 PM   #11 
     - Do Not Forget Hitler, Sir! He Did Just The Same Thing, Too!  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:01 PM   #14 
     - What else should we be able to call a Mexican?  county worker   Apr-23-10 05:34 PM   #85 
        - Um, I was being facetious  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 06:36 PM   #100 
           - Some People, Sir, Should Not Play Cards For Money....  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 06:40 PM   #101 
     - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Apr-23-10 04:06 PM   #19 
     - i heart you.  BlooInBloo   Apr-23-10 07:24 PM   #106 
  - reinforcement of 1st amendment  spanone   Apr-23-10 03:54 PM   #8 
  - One can certainly hope the law-breaking non-criminal can now  Obamanaut   Apr-23-10 03:54 PM   #9 
  - Umm, since he was here illegally, then by default wouldn't he be a criminal?  MadHound   Apr-23-10 03:59 PM   #12 
  - It is not a crime to be in the country without documentation  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 04:02 PM   #15 
  - Let's see,  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:10 PM   #23 
     - English...but a very exact and specific form of it.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 04:46 PM   #48 
        - I think that you're misreading a lot, including the law  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:26 PM   #81 
  - In Any Case, Sir, the Defamation Was Not Concerned With Immigration Violations  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:05 PM   #17 
  - Thanks so much for your posts on this thread.  redqueen   Apr-23-10 04:12 PM   #25 
  - The ruling by the judge was because the defendant called the plaintiff a criminal  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:15 PM   #28 
  - Not So, Sir: He Said the Man Was Wanted For Robbery, Assault, And Battery  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:17 PM   #32 
  - But that is not what the judged ruled on,  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:23 PM   #34 
     - That, Sir, Is Simply Sloppy Reporting  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:28 PM   #36 
        - Maybe, maybe not, I would like to see the original case record  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:39 PM   #43 
           - Circulation Of the 'Wanted Poster', Sir, Is What the Case Concerned  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:54 PM   #52 
              - Well, apparently a police department did seek him out,  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:02 PM   #60 
                 - Not Sure Where You Get That, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 05:06 PM   #63 
                    - Next paragraph down, apparently there was a criminal trial regarding this assault  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:10 PM   #67 
                       - It Does Not Say That Concerned This Assault, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 05:22 PM   #77 
                          - Hmm, you don't think that a criminal trial in '07 has nothing to do with the Monti assault  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:29 PM   #82 
                             - Clearly, Sir, It Had Nothing To Do With A Charge Of Assaulting Or Robbing Monti  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 05:34 PM   #86 
  - It does not  treestar   Apr-23-10 05:51 PM   #94 
  - Broadcast?  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 05:40 PM   #88 
     - Several Points, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 05:54 PM   #97 
  - No. He'd be subject to administrative law, not criminal law.  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 04:11 PM   #24 
  - Yet by entering illegally he is still breaking the law,  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:16 PM   #31 
     - Overstaying a parking meter is against the law  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 04:25 PM   #35 
     - Really? I think you've got it wrong  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:36 PM   #41 
     - Let me put it another way, when I translated these cases  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 04:39 PM   #44 
     - But there is a criminal penalty  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:44 PM   #47 
        - you are misreading the article  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 04:56 PM   #55 
           - No, Sir, He Claims Defamation Because He Was Said To Be Wanted For Robbery And Assault And Battery  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 04:57 PM   #57 
           - oops - made a mistake  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:03 PM   #61 
           - Umm, being here illegally is a crime  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:04 PM   #62 
              - No it is not  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:10 PM   #66 
              - But that's not what Mr. Jimenez did  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:13 PM   #69 
                 - I'm not seeing anything about illegal entry there  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:20 PM   #76 
                 - So you are opting for which, spontaneous materialization or virgin birth?  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:25 PM   #80 
                    - Damn, why is it so hard for you to admit you were wrong?  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:44 PM   #90 
                 - third base..  frylock   Apr-23-10 06:40 PM   #102 
                    - No, illegal *entry* is actually a criminal offense.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 07:23 PM   #105 
              - It's a civil offense; it's no more illegal than speeding or running a stop sign  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-23-10 07:28 PM   #107 
     - That is someone who is in the act of entering the country  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 04:56 PM   #54 
        - Umm, more law, read it  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:08 PM   #64 
           - don't go into the detective business  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:16 PM   #71 
           - Don't go into the lawyer business,  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:17 PM   #73 
              - I understand it a hell of a lot better than you.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:23 PM   #78 
                 - No, I'm basing it on Mr. Jimenez's own statements in court  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:31 PM   #83 
                    - ...which don't say what you think they say.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:53 PM   #96 
           - You are wrong.  DefenseLawyer   Apr-23-10 06:28 PM   #99 
     - But ignoring the court summons CAN subject you to that  WolverineDG   Apr-23-10 04:55 PM   #53 
     - WRONG  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 04:53 PM   #51 
     - And by his own testimony, Mr. Jimenez entered illegally  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:15 PM   #70 
        - his testimony says nothing at all about his entry into the US  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:31 PM   #84 
     - No. There are civil laws, too  treestar   Apr-23-10 05:53 PM   #95 
  - It's a matter of civil law, not criminal law.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-23-10 04:36 PM   #40 
  - Actually it is a matter of criminal law  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:43 PM   #46 
  - No. That is not a crime, it is an administrative violation.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 04:39 PM   #45 
     - But you can be sent to prison for illegally crossing the border  MadHound   Apr-23-10 04:48 PM   #49 
        - That's correct, but is there any proof he did so? No.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 05:00 PM   #58 
           - Mr. Jimenez's own words.  MadHound   Apr-23-10 05:16 PM   #72 
              - And? This is the 3rd time. They say NOTHING about how he entered.  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 06:01 PM   #98 
  - What the hell?  blogslut   Apr-23-10 04:00 PM   #13 
  - Apparently. nt  laughingliberal   Apr-23-10 04:08 PM   #20 
  - It took electing Obama to flush out the racists in the right wing and now the new  county worker   Apr-23-10 05:44 PM   #91 
  - Is it a day ending in "y"?  Iggo   Apr-23-10 07:53 PM   #108 
  - A person is not a criminal unless they've been convicted.  TexasObserver   Apr-23-10 04:29 PM   #37 
  - Much like George Bush, Dick Cheney and OJ Simpson.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 04:35 PM   #39 
     - Not at all like any of those three.  TexasObserver   Apr-23-10 04:38 PM   #42 
        - Because writing that George Bush is a war criminal is so totally not defamatory.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 05:43 PM   #89 
           - Because he's a public figure, because it's pejorative, because ...  TexasObserver   Apr-23-10 05:48 PM   #92 
  - Actually it's established law  WolverineDG   Apr-23-10 04:48 PM   #50 
  - Thought I was on the wrong website for a second. Then I remembered what DUers are like.  BlooInBloo   Apr-23-10 04:56 PM   #56 
  - wow, examiner does it again  kgnu_fan   Apr-23-10 05:17 PM   #74 
  - Defamation cases are not set backs to the First Amendment  treestar   Apr-23-10 05:49 PM   #93 
 

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