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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:58 PM
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1. No, not really. nt
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  -U.S. military suffers major defeat in Korengal Valley, forced to retreat JohnyCanuck  Apr-23-10 02:57 PM   #0 
  - No, not really. nt  Captain Hilts   Apr-23-10 02:58 PM   #1 
  - We're #1! We're #1!  FiveGoodMen   Apr-23-10 02:59 PM   #2 
  - Wow, that's some pretty strong propaganda...  NaturalHigh   Apr-23-10 02:59 PM   #3 
  - Indeed, Sir: The Close Is Fascinating....  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 03:04 PM   #5 
  - I for one think the running dogs of Capitalism will soon pay for their crimes.  bemildred   Apr-23-10 03:54 PM   #22 
     - Being, Sir, Myself, A Black-Hearted Reactionary Running-Dog Of Capitalist-Road Revisionism  The Magistrate   Apr-23-10 07:01 PM   #45 
        - Patience, brother. nt  Robb   Apr-25-10 10:42 AM   #48 
  - "What's so bad about deserters? Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)  SpiralHawk   Apr-25-10 10:48 AM   #51 
  - Military forces lose wars when they are forced to fight under political constraints. n/t  jody   Apr-23-10 03:04 PM   #4 
  - So.. How many "political constraints" did the Soviets have in Afghanistan?  Fumesucker   Apr-23-10 03:08 PM   #7 
  - Soviet troops were not allowed to conduct unconstrained operations as they did in WWII. n/t  jody   Apr-23-10 03:12 PM   #9 
     - Ever seen what Berlin looked like after the Soviets took it?  Fumesucker   Apr-23-10 03:17 PM   #11 
     - Your "win the Afghan hearts and mind" is a political goal, not a military one. The issue was whether  jody   Apr-23-10 03:28 PM   #14 
     - & the British Empire before them? 'Splain that, Einstein.  elehhhhna   Apr-23-10 04:03 PM   #26 
     - Please restate your question in an intelligent form. n/t  jody   Apr-23-10 04:06 PM   #29 
        - lol. no thanks.  elehhhhna   Apr-23-10 04:09 PM   #32 
     - From what I've learned, Soviet troops leveled whole towns and villages in retaliation.  Selatius   Apr-23-10 04:24 PM   #35 
        - Understand and that's why under present conditions Obama should bring our troops home. n/t  jody   Apr-23-10 04:27 PM   #36 
  - What "political constraints" are hindering our forces?  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 03:16 PM   #10 
  - Clearly, we must destroy Afghanistan in order to save it.  Fumesucker   Apr-23-10 03:21 PM   #12 
  - It is full of Afghans.  kenny blankenship   Apr-23-10 03:32 PM   #15 
  - Numerous, one example is on scene commanders require a legal opinion before they attack a suspected.  jody   Apr-23-10 03:34 PM   #16 
     - This sounds suspiciously like the Freeper argument "If we just loosened the ROE,  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 03:40 PM   #18 
        - Your assertion "Freeper argument" suggests you know nothing about war particularly recent ones like  jody   Apr-23-10 03:51 PM   #21 
           - There you go.  bemildred   Apr-23-10 03:56 PM   #23 
           - Innocent civilians benefit from "constraints". So I really don't know what you're saying.  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 03:56 PM   #24 
              - I agree" Innocent civilians benefit from 'constraints'" but troops die under political constraints.  jody   Apr-23-10 04:05 PM   #27 
                 - I asked you what you meant by "constraints", and you brought up  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 04:09 PM   #31 
                    - Yes to the question. Whether those rules save more innocent lives than it cost troop lives is open  jody   Apr-23-10 04:14 PM   #33 
                    - I wouldn't want any family member of mine to be guilty of firing upon innocent civilians.  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 04:42 PM   #37 
                       - You, as would I, avoided answering the question how many lives for your father. Yet we expect teen  jody   Apr-23-10 04:57 PM   #41 
                          - IED's are the main killer of troops there. Not firefights. So, no, I don't think  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 05:04 PM   #42 
                             - I see we disagree. I've enjoyed the exchange. Have a good day and goodbye. n/t  jody   Apr-23-10 05:07 PM   #43 
                    - And by the way, it was under BOOSH that we occupied this valley. Obama didn't order them there.  TwilightGardener   Apr-23-10 04:16 PM   #34 
                       - They remain their under President Obamas's orders  Thothmes   Apr-23-10 06:58 PM   #44 
                          - No--they don't. The whole point of the article is that they LEFT the Korengal Valley.  TwilightGardener   Apr-25-10 10:19 AM   #46 
  - Military forces lose wars for lots of reasons.  bemildred   Apr-23-10 03:50 PM   #20 
     - My post was to exonerate the grunts and blame presidents and congress for the debacle. We can  jody   Apr-23-10 03:57 PM   #25 
     - Indeed. nt  bemildred   Apr-23-10 04:06 PM   #28 
     - are you the jody ....  retired af major   Apr-25-10 10:39 AM   #47 
     - This is at the heart of Clausewitz's famous quote about war being a continuation of politics  cemaphonic   Apr-23-10 04:50 PM   #38 
        - Well, it all boils down to what "won" means.  bemildred   Apr-23-10 04:56 PM   #40 
  - This man is a deserter who fought in Iraq but deserted when ordered to deploy to Afghanistan.  DevonRex   Apr-23-10 03:06 PM   #6 
  - we should have been gone 9 yrs ago.  Mari333   Apr-23-10 03:09 PM   #8 
  - US military up to its old tricks. Put some guys out in an exposed position, dare the enemy to mount  kenny blankenship   Apr-23-10 03:25 PM   #13 
  - The Sovs could have told them how this was going to play out.  11 Bravo   Apr-23-10 03:38 PM   #17 
  - (facepalm)  BlooInBloo   Apr-23-10 03:42 PM   #19 
  - What an idiot.  Robb   Apr-23-10 04:07 PM   #30 
  - No! No! Its "strategic withdrawal". Or, some other Pentagonese rationalization.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-23-10 04:53 PM   #39 
  - Promoting mutiny in the ranks of the military is a federal felony. n/t  WeDidIt   Apr-25-10 10:44 AM   #49 
  - Jesus, that is some clumsy agitprop. nt  Codeine   Apr-25-10 10:45 AM   #50 

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