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45. As a Hispanic, let me say...
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 10:49 AM by ericinne
As a Hispanic, let me say... Yes, your not alone.

I remember years ago, back in the late 70's. My family was the first Hispanic family to move into a small packing house town here in Nebraska.

The welcome we got from the community was not exactly warm. However, soon a few more Hispanic families moved in.. they all worked at the beef packing plant like everyone else. Soon, people got used to it, just because my dad was a Mexican was no longer an issue. He worked hard, did lots of double shifts. And he followed the Maddox philosophy of:

To keep us out of trouble, doing our home work, chores, and part to contribute to society.

The payoff for that effort, was respect from people who may have once saw you different when the culture shock first hit their tiny little community of farm boys.

However... in the early 90's... things started to change... soon all the white guys were getting other jobs around our industrial section of this state, and replacing them, was more and more Hispanic families.

The PROBLEM started for 2 key reasons...

1. Lots of young single hispanic guys moving in for the jobs, not just established family's
2. Illegals going where their friends and relatives were going for all that good money.

The main problem with the young single guys wasn't just the fact you had alot of farmers pissed off they were fucking their daughters, but when your young, you do those things that are fun when your young.. so you had your trouble makers... more often then not, the trouble makers were starting to turn out to be illegals. The crimes today, are also starting to be committed by smaller faction gang members from SUR13 and 18th st.

This makes me think back to a comment my dad made back in the mid 90's about the escalation in crime..

Something like... these fuckers need to go back to where they came from... they're giving us all a bad name.

For a while, I thought he was just joking and being sarcastic, soon I realized, he was being 100% honest.

Yes, I do realize all the angles involved here... You can't say just because they are illegal, they are criminals, not all youth are gang members, and many other twists you can toss on it... trust me, I fight with right winger racist assholes over these stereotypes all the time over on /

But you can't deny the impact of having JUST ANYBODY cross the border. Obviously, the reason we HAVE a damn border in the first damn place is to keep the riff raff out. I don't give a damn what their skin color is, or what language they speak, if you come to America illegally, you can not be reasonably acclimated into our society if you are only here to reap the benefits without the repercussions.

Things are different in Mexico/South America for Hispanics that make some things abnormal in America more common, although still taboo in other countries. And I believe if you want to enter into America, you should first be required to get documentation showing you have been briefed on American culture, and society expectations.

If that doesn't happen.. animosity's between cultures are only gonna get worse.

Borders need to be secured, illegals need to be sorted out and riff raff sent back.

How to do that.. I don't know... or maybe I do know but I'm not sick and twisted enough to say it or wanna think it.

I just want things to be like they were back in the 80's... Hispanic's came here to raise family's and live the American dream, and people accepted that without the fear of illegals and gang members.
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  -Maybe I'm crazy. Am I the only one on all if DU who thinks that illegal immigration is a bad thing? salguine  Apr-23-10 10:13 AM   #0 
  - I agree. Legal immigration is not just good, it's very important.  slackmaster   Apr-23-10 10:14 AM   #1 
  - Yes it is. By the way  emilyg   Apr-23-10 01:06 PM   #119 
  - Perhaps...  ixion   Apr-23-10 10:14 AM   #2 
  - No. But there are many worse things  Oregone   Apr-23-10 10:15 AM   #3 
  - For example, outsourcing. n/t  Ian David   Apr-23-10 10:17 AM   #10 
  - Hiding in illegal status is dangerous, for everyone. Profiling is dangerous too.  Mojeoux   Apr-24-10 12:37 AM   #246 
  - American Indians had no immigration policy, see how it worked for them?  The Straight Story   Apr-23-10 10:15 AM   #4 
  - I believe several American Indians were Fighting terrorism since 1492  Vincardog   Apr-23-10 12:06 PM   # 
     - The Original Homeland Security  rcrush   Apr-23-10 02:05 PM   #132 
        - I wonder how many rabid ANTI-illegal immigrant posters are related to the proud four in that pic?  Vincardog   Apr-23-10 02:32 PM   #151 
        - +1  MissDeeds   Apr-23-10 06:36 PM   #231 
  - I think the non-recognition of unathourized immigrants is a problem.  tekisui   Apr-23-10 10:15 AM   #5 
  - Nope. eom  virgogal   Apr-23-10 10:15 AM   #6 
  - No, but you'll be branded a racist. We need to treat immigrants  Captain Hilts   Apr-23-10 10:15 AM   #7 
  - The problem is our immigration system is fundamentally flawed.  tekisui   Apr-23-10 10:16 AM   #8 
  - That's exactly it  Chulanowa   Apr-23-10 10:20 AM   #16 
  - And Arizona is a perfect example of how pigliCONs have no fucking idea how to fix it.  lonestarnot   Apr-23-10 10:25 AM   #27 
  - they don't really WANT to fix it or care if they fix it or not. they can talk about it and whip  ejpoeta   Apr-23-10 11:27 AM   #60 
  - No shit, " Your papers please" except they won't say please  era veteran   Apr-23-10 11:41 AM   #67 
     - Can you say Aleeeeeto (grimaceface) and Roberts?  lonestarnot   Apr-23-10 10:07 PM   #242 
        - Touche'  era veteran   Apr-24-10 05:28 AM   #250 
  - True. Migration just happens and is a fact of life  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:00 PM   #182 
  - No. n/t  ingac70   Apr-23-10 10:17 AM   #9 
  - Not at all.  Orsino   Apr-23-10 10:17 AM   #11 
  - Illegal immigration IS a bad thing.  Arkana   Apr-23-10 10:17 AM   #12 
  - ditto  mrmpa   Apr-23-10 02:34 PM   #155 
  - +1  Hepburn   Apr-23-10 08:32 PM   #239 
  - I agree.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-23-10 10:17 AM   #13 
  - Key word here  Andy823   Apr-23-10 10:52 AM   #47 
     - You're right about that.  OnionPatch   Apr-23-10 11:48 AM   #71 
  - No, but Arizona's proposed law is RACIST BULLSHIT  ecstatic   Apr-23-10 10:19 AM   #14 
  - +1 NT  SocialistLez   Apr-23-10 10:24 AM   #26 
  - Illegal immigration is not a bad thing. Illegal hiring is a bad thing.  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 10:20 AM   #15 
  - Here here. nt  Javaman   Apr-23-10 10:44 AM   #43 
  - +1000 Go after the companies that hire, not the people!  happy_liberal   Apr-23-10 12:09 PM   #83 
     - Actually Arizona passed a law a couple years ago  harkadog   Apr-23-10 07:57 PM   #238 
  - Make your case  gratuitous   Apr-23-10 10:20 AM   #17 
  - Opponents of illegal immigration do not need to 'make our case.'  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 10:23 AM   #20 
  - That's right! Attack the weak and let the powerful off scott free.  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 10:26 AM   #29 
  - Starve them out by not letting them work... That's the spirit chap!! n/t  galileoreloaded   Apr-23-10 09:08 PM   #240 
  - So, what are you willing to see done?  gratuitous   Apr-23-10 10:28 AM   #31 
  - My solution to the problem remains the same as it ever was:  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 10:34 AM   #35 
     - Well, that will certainly cause enough economic harm to Archer Daniels Midland  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 10:36 AM   #38 
     - .  unapatriciated   Apr-23-10 07:11 PM   #236 
     - That's it exactly!  rbixby   Apr-23-10 10:45 AM   #44 
     - That seems to be happening now  gratuitous   Apr-23-10 11:11 AM   #55 
     - I say take away the financial incentive to hiring someone who is here illegally  ejpoeta   Apr-23-10 11:30 AM   #62 
     - You don't see the US  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 01:49 PM   #124 
     - US "intervention"  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 02:10 PM   #134 
     - So you concede that it is a bad idea for the US to intervene (further) in Latin America?  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:19 PM   #145 
        - No. We need to make reparations for all the damage we have done  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 02:26 PM   #148 
           - Interesting notion. How would you propose 'making reparations' in any way  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:33 PM   #152 
              - For starters  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 02:48 PM   #168 
                 - The wages paid by corporations are for corporations and their host govts. to decide.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:54 PM   #174 
     - i don't mean go to war or 'intervene'. i mean to talk to mexico and try to work with  ejpoeta   Apr-23-10 02:43 PM   #163 
        - That's the problem - 'talking to Mexico' now means talking to Calderon.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:49 PM   #170 
     - Exactly, give them visas  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:02 PM   #183 
     - That's not a solution to illegal immigration.  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 11:52 AM   #74 
     - Your idea sounds very anti-immigrant.  Dawgs   Apr-23-10 12:15 PM   #88 
     - Because they are here illegally. What is so hard to understand about that?  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 01:51 PM   #125 
        - Why are you so stuck on it?  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:06 PM   #186 
     - and that will never happen..  frylock   Apr-23-10 01:06 PM   #118 
     - More money and effort than it is worth  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:47 PM   #166 
        - And what of those who took it on themselves to come illegally?  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:55 PM   #177 
  - So back when there was "legal" slavery the supporters of it  harun   Apr-23-10 11:47 AM   #70 
  - Bullshit. Your word of choice is meaningless when  tekisui   Apr-23-10 11:52 AM   #75 
  - It means 'against the law.' The word does not discriminate between civil and criminal law. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 01:52 PM   #126 
     - It is civil  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:57 PM   #180 
        - Yes. It is illegal (against civil law) to break a valid contract.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 03:06 PM   #187 
           - Everyone admits they are illegally here  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:17 PM   #200 
  - Let me's illegal because it's bad, and bad because it's illegal  anigbrowl   Apr-23-10 12:16 PM   #89 
     - Most likely the same thing that happened when it was addressed under Reagan.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 01:53 PM   #127 
  - Employers who hire illegal immigrants should be subject to  icee   Apr-23-10 10:28 AM   #30 
     - That has always been how I think the problem should be handled  NeedleCast   Apr-23-10 10:34 AM   #36 
     - I agree.  Andy823   Apr-23-10 10:59 AM   #49 
        - Yes. I have heard of them doing that. That grower should have  icee   Apr-23-10 11:05 AM   #53 
  - It's not good. But what some people propose to do about it is far worse. Also, examining  BridgeTheGap   Apr-23-10 10:20 AM   #18 
  - It depends on whose shoes you are walking in. For me, living  icee   Apr-23-10 10:21 AM   #19 
  - oh my god are you serious?  a la izquierda   Apr-23-10 12:03 PM   #79 
     - With the absolute certainty that a roof-mounted security camera  icee   Apr-23-10 01:10 PM   #120 
  - An incredibly complex issue that really shouldn't be boiled down  hlthe2b   Apr-23-10 10:23 AM   #21 
  - Probably not. I'm on the fence  SocialistLez   Apr-23-10 10:24 AM   #22 
  - No, but every time you attempt to point out how it hurts everyone,  notadmblnd   Apr-23-10 10:24 AM   #23 
  - No, you're not  NeedleCast   Apr-23-10 10:24 AM   #24 
  - You're not alone. Illegal immigration is a bad thing  Gman   Apr-23-10 10:24 AM   #25 
  - I think what's bad is not going after the employers that are the cause of this  dflprincess   Apr-23-10 10:25 AM   #28 
  - Telling human beings that they are illegal is definitely a bad thing..  Redbear   Apr-23-10 10:29 AM   #32 
  - I think it's a bad thing because....  Walk away   Apr-23-10 10:30 AM   #33 
  - +1  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 10:34 AM   #34 
  - The first Steeles arrived here in the 1730's. They had no permision to do so.  Richard Steele   Apr-23-10 10:36 AM   #37 
  - I doubt that - I'm pretty sure that native Americans  malaise   Apr-23-10 10:38 AM   #39 
  - No you aren't. There is reason someone here illegally should not be documented.  cbdo2007   Apr-23-10 10:40 AM   #40 
  - So all those people picking your fruits & vegetables and packing your meat  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 10:43 AM   #42 
     - If it means my community would return to what it was prior to  icee   Apr-23-10 10:48 AM   #46 
     - You could do it now.  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 10:58 AM   #48 
     - I've been doing that for many years now. If an referendum is  icee   Apr-23-10 11:01 AM   #51 
     - "These people" are funding Social Security and are a net gain  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 02:14 PM   #139 
        - So let's bring ten times more over, right? The more that come  icee   Apr-23-10 02:40 PM   # 
           - So, you're saying they should only pay into Social Security  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 02:44 PM   #164 
           - They should NOT be paying into Social Security! They should  icee   Apr-23-10 03:32 PM   #206 
           - That's just hysteria  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:09 PM   #191 
              - Oh, really?.....Go into a CVS in the southwest US and see who is  icee   Apr-23-10 03:37 PM   #208 
                 - So, you can identify an illegal immigrant by looking at them?  EFerrari   Apr-24-10 02:48 PM   #256 
     - God forbid enforcing the law drive up your price for apples. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 03:55 PM   #218 
  - no-the proposed legislation doesn't deal with the problem,however.  w8liftinglady   Apr-23-10 10:42 AM   #41 
  - As a Hispanic, let me say...  ericinne   Apr-23-10 10:47 AM   #45 
  - Thank you for your perspective!  bain_sidhe   Apr-23-10 11:40 AM   #65 
     - I'll tell you what I think  ericinne   Apr-23-10 12:35 PM   #105 
        - +100, with one minor correction:  99 Percent Sure   Apr-23-10 01:00 PM   #116 
  - No. nt  hack89   Apr-23-10 11:00 AM   #50 
  - No n/t  tammywammy   Apr-23-10 11:03 AM   #52 
  - No n/t  OhioChick   Apr-23-10 11:10 AM   #54 
  - I agree that immigratiion should be controlled and  Blue Meany   Apr-23-10 11:18 AM   #56 
  - No. I'm with you.  NaturalHigh   Apr-23-10 11:20 AM   #57 
  - Of course its wrong but we still need to treat our fellow human beings with compasion..  DCBob   Apr-23-10 11:23 AM   #58 
  - i think it's wrong to blame someone for wanting a better life who has no other way of getting here  ejpoeta   Apr-23-10 11:26 AM   #59 
  - Illegal immigration is just that...illegal.  Lucian   Apr-23-10 11:28 AM   #61 
  - And I wholeheartedly believe we NEED to streamline the LEGAL immigration  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 11:49 AM   #72 
  - Well, not really. What this kind of immigration really shows is  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 11:58 AM   #76 
  - Actually it shows exactly what I said. This is a great country.  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 12:01 PM   #78 
     - My family is a family of immigrants, thanks.  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:06 PM   #81 
        - Do you and your family consider this a great country?  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 12:14 PM   #87 
        - I don't think a great country would prey on its more vulnerable neighbors  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:16 PM   #90 
           - I think we're a great country. You don't.  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 12:24 PM   #97 
              - You have no knowledge of history  blindpig   Apr-23-10 12:35 PM   #104 
              - There are libraries full of material describing the systematic predation  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:37 PM   #106 
              - It is easier to think that.  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 02:34 PM   #154 
                 - No, apparently around here it's easier to think the U.S. is a bad nation.  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 03:58 PM   #219 
                    - Not denying. Just not ignoring the other side.  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 04:37 PM   #227 
                    - Knowing the history of US policy is not an opinion. lol  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 09:59 PM   #241 
        - You need to put that on a bumper sticker.  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 02:32 PM   #150 
  - I agree that the immigration process needs to be fixed.  Lucian   Apr-23-10 12:09 PM   #84 
  - It is not a crime.  tekisui   Apr-23-10 12:09 PM   #82 
  - Is speeding illegal? Is loitering?  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 12:13 PM   #86 
  - You're confusing criminal law with administrative law.  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:17 PM   #91 
  - Would you call a speeder an illegal driver?  tekisui   Apr-23-10 12:21 PM   #96 
     - No...  TCJ70   Apr-23-10 12:41 PM   #108 
     - Unauthorized immigrants, actually.  tekisui   Apr-23-10 03:05 PM   #184 
     - One thing I would call a speeder is far more dangerous to others  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:12 PM   #195 
  - Violating civil law is every bit as *ILLEGAL* as violating criminal law. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 01:57 PM   #128 
     - There is no criminal punishment for unauthorized immigration.  tekisui   Apr-23-10 03:05 PM   #185 
     - That does not mean it is not against the law, hence ILLEGAL.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 03:08 PM   #190 
        - They are unauthorized. They are here without authorization.  tekisui   Apr-23-10 03:22 PM   # 
     - So? Murder is illegal and so is loitering, that only puts them very  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:11 PM   #193 
        - No, it puts them DISTINCTLY in the same class --> ILLEGAL.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 03:12 PM   #196 
           - If you see loitering and murder as the same  treestar   Apr-23-10 03:16 PM   #199 
  - Illegals are people who have no chance of qualifying legally  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:49 PM   #169 
  - it's an escape valve; it helps Mexico, etc. retain their staggering inequality  amborin   Apr-23-10 11:32 AM   #63 
  - You're not crazy  BobbyBoring   Apr-23-10 11:33 AM   #64 
  - I think alot of people do  Tailormyst   Apr-23-10 11:41 AM   #66 
  - Looks like you got plenty company.  blindpig   Apr-23-10 11:42 AM   #68 
  - Two of the five people on my team at work are immigrants, and we're all in agreement  slackmaster   Apr-23-10 12:05 PM   #80 
     - So, because 5 of you agree then that makes it right?  Dawgs   Apr-23-10 12:19 PM   #94 
     - You know what? Those corporate fucks are only doing what's best for them and their families, too.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:14 PM   #138 
     - So?  blindpig   Apr-23-10 12:21 PM   #95 
     - More like 'I got mine legally; fuck you, illegal alien."  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:17 PM   #144 
        - Fail. First, the assumption of criminality...  blindpig   Apr-23-10 02:40 PM   #160 
        - There is no assumption of criminality. There is the de facto state of illegality.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 03:14 PM   #197 
           - Sure there was  blindpig   Apr-23-10 03:39 PM   #210 
        - I wouldn't waste time on resentment - let the employer take the consequences  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:52 PM   #171 
           - No, illegals are driving wages down in certain areas such that citizens and legal  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 03:15 PM   #198 
     - hey good for them..  frylock   Apr-23-10 01:17 PM   #122 
  - not at all.  mimitabby   Apr-23-10 11:44 AM   #69 
  - How do you feel about illegal regime change? Or, how do you feel about  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 11:51 AM   #73 
  - illegal immigration is a bad thing, we (The PTB in the USA) Should not e creating the conditions  Vincardog   Apr-23-10 11:59 AM   #77 
  - I think the conditions outside US borders that lead to illegal immigration are very bad things.  Heidi   Apr-23-10 12:13 PM   #85 
  - the arizona law is not the answer  spanone   Apr-23-10 12:17 PM   #92 
  - "Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do.Nothing to kill or die for  librechik   Apr-23-10 12:19 PM   #93 
  - I think your martyrdom is premature...  LanternWaste   Apr-23-10 12:25 PM   #98 
  - "Martyrdom"!?  salguine   Apr-23-10 12:32 PM   #103 
  - Oh no! Many DUers believe that sovereign nations can regulate their own borders?!?  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:11 PM   #136 
  - I love how people defend illegal immigration, but oppose outsourcing  joeglow3   Apr-23-10 12:26 PM   #99 
  - Because it's not a matter of supporting illegal immigration  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:49 PM   #112 
  - Apparently, it is difficult for me to understand  joeglow3   Apr-23-10 03:38 PM   #209 
  - Think of the lettuce! Think of the apples!  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 03:58 PM   #220 
  - Not even close  Renew Deal   Apr-23-10 12:26 PM   #100 
  - Nice to see some people realizing 'illegal' means 'illegal'.  ItNerd4life   Apr-23-10 12:27 PM   #101 
  - So *their* government can stay corrupt?!  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:40 PM   #107 
  - The whole discussion is framed terribly  okie   Apr-23-10 12:30 PM   #102 
  - Most people seem to believe that undocumented workers are criminals  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:44 PM   #110 
  - The OP obviously wasn't looking for discussion.  redqueen   Apr-23-10 12:58 PM   #114 
  - What left?  blindpig   Apr-23-10 02:16 PM   #142 
  - No, you are not. The operative word is "illegal," meaning that  99 Percent Sure   Apr-23-10 12:43 PM   #109 
  - it's also "illegal" to exceed the speed limit..  frylock   Apr-23-10 01:22 PM   #123 
     - There are consequences for exceeding the speed limit if you are caught.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:02 PM   #130 
        - So you admit that you are an "illegal" human being.  Luminous Animal   Apr-23-10 03:23 PM   #202 
        - i just like to call out the hypocrisy of the authoritarian set..  frylock   Apr-23-10 05:25 PM   #230 
  - If all illegal immigrants were targeted I would agree, however, it  Cleita   Apr-23-10 12:46 PM   #111 
  - That won't do it, either.  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 12:58 PM   #115 
     - Totally agree. What I suggested would only be a beginning. We  Cleita   Apr-23-10 01:00 PM   #117 
  - It's one of those issues where I talk out of both sides of my mouth.  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-23-10 12:56 PM   #113 
  - Do you want to round-up 12 million undocumented workers and place them in detention camps?  Better Believe It   Apr-23-10 01:10 PM   #121 
  - Are their countries of origin 'detention camps?'  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 01:59 PM   #129 
  - If you look carefully at immigration patterns, you'll find people come from  EFerrari   Apr-23-10 02:04 PM   #131 
  - I agree - U.S. trade polices has devistated rural farming communities in Mexico  Derechos   Apr-23-10 02:15 PM   # 
  - I agree - U.S. trade polices has devistated rural farming communities in Mexico  Derechos   Apr-23-10 02:15 PM   #141 
  - Completely agree  Caliman73   Apr-23-10 02:17 PM   #143 
  - How do you propose we do this?  okie   Apr-23-10 02:08 PM   #133 
  - See post 35. I describe it there.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:10 PM   #135 
  - I saw that post  okie   Apr-23-10 02:33 PM   #153 
     - Que? We have ICE, formerly known as the INS. No new infrastructure needed.  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 02:37 PM   #158 
        - You do know this will have zero influence in the ability to catch them all, don't you?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-23-10 02:48 PM   #167 
        - ICE has the power to do this now  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:55 PM   #176 
        - And you believe they're equipped to deal with mass deportation?  okie   Apr-23-10 03:07 PM   #188 
           - One at a time, as they are reported and caught. Airlines fly to most countries  Lance_Boyle   Apr-23-10 03:11 PM   #192 
              - There are at least 10 million  okie   Apr-23-10 03:24 PM   #203 
  - If there was no employment available (BIG FINES for employers  kelly1mm   Apr-23-10 04:38 PM   #228 
  - They have to be detained and processed first  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:53 PM   #173 
  - Does a Godwins law failure require an actual Hitler comparison?  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 04:01 PM   #221 
  - I'm with you. I don't disagree with aspects of the proposed AZ bill.  NoodleyAppendage   Apr-23-10 02:14 PM   #137 
  - The problem as I see it is that we think in terms of a zero sum game all the time.  county worker   Apr-23-10 02:15 PM   #140 
  - I have no idea if you are the only one on all if DU,  LWolf   Apr-23-10 02:23 PM   #146 
  - Illegal immigration is a bad thing, however we've absolutely got to reform legal immigration  MadHound   Apr-23-10 02:24 PM   #147 
  - +1 Make it easier to become a citizen...  walldude   Apr-23-10 02:29 PM   #149 
     - Thank you.  noamnety   Apr-23-10 06:44 PM   #232 
  - It isn't that simple  SargeUNN   Apr-23-10 02:36 PM   #156 
  - Talk about flamebait. And it has brought out so many inactive members too!  Bluebear   Apr-23-10 02:36 PM   #157 
  - Why "flamebait"? It was a legitimate question.  salguine   Apr-23-10 03:54 PM   #217 
  - Simplest solution of all: make immigration legal.  ieoeja   Apr-23-10 02:39 PM   #159 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-10 02:43 PM   #162 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-23-10 02:55 PM   #175 
     - Outsourcing  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:56 PM   #179 
        - They would have a large enough percentage of bluecollar  icee   Apr-23-10 03:30 PM   #204 
           - Why would they have all the jobs?  ieoeja   Apr-23-10 03:41 PM   #211 
              - I thought we were talking ILLEGAL immigrants. If illegal immigrants  icee   Apr-23-10 03:51 PM   #215 
                 - Did you forget you are in a subthread proposing we making all immigration legal?  ieoeja   Apr-23-10 04:04 PM   #223 
                    - Es cierto. He olvidado. Lo siento.  icee   Apr-23-10 04:32 PM   #226 
                       - No hablo espanol. What did you respond?  ieoeja   Apr-23-10 07:11 PM   #235 
                          - Translation: "That's right. I forgot. Sorry"  TeeYiYi   Apr-23-10 07:43 PM   #237 
  - Is this one of those either or threads?  mmonk   Apr-23-10 02:40 PM   #161 
  - Yes.  Bluebear   Apr-23-10 02:53 PM   #172 
     - Thought so.  mmonk   Apr-23-10 03:07 PM   #189 
  - Yep  treestar   Apr-23-10 02:45 PM   #165 
  - Legalize vice and break balls of those that hire undocumented workers  TheKentuckian   Apr-23-10 02:55 PM   #178 
  - Verdict: Yeah, crazy  gratuitous   Apr-23-10 02:58 PM   #181 
  - Well. Give away you country, if you want.  Bluebear   Apr-23-10 03:12 PM   #194 
  - Give away "you" country?  gratuitous   Apr-23-10 03:22 PM   #201 
  - Wow, you took what little premise I tossed out and spun it into a whole other realm entirely. I had  salguine   Apr-23-10 03:53 PM   #216 
     - Well, when you don't answer  gratuitous   Apr-23-10 04:19 PM   #224 
  - I think it adds to the deterioration of our country, in that it takes  juajen   Apr-23-10 03:30 PM   #205 
  - I find it sad that saying immigrants should follow the immigration laws gets you called a racist.  Odin2005   Apr-23-10 03:34 PM   #207 
  - No. Illegal immigration is a bad thing.  Throd   Apr-23-10 03:43 PM   #212 
  - The problem I have is the ass backwards thinking here.  gatorboy   Apr-23-10 03:45 PM   #213 
  - Human beings are just trying to survive.  tosh   Apr-23-10 03:49 PM   #214 
  - No, you're sane. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-23-10 04:01 PM   #222 
  - Make it legal! "Problem" solved. Tear that wall down!  Better Believe It   Apr-23-10 04:29 PM   #225 
  - And how many legal immigrants should we allow in each year before  Common Sense Party   Apr-23-10 05:04 PM   #229 
  - Just give it all back to the original Native Americans and ask permission to live here!  RedCloud   Apr-23-10 06:54 PM   #233 
  - Many other Countries also feel illegal immigration is just that-"illegal". Unless we address  glinda   Apr-23-10 06:58 PM   #234 
  - No you aren't But what is funny is that some people do not know that many progressive countries  mamaleah   Apr-23-10 10:17 PM   #243 
  - No you're not crazy. :) n/t  ZenKitty   Apr-23-10 11:39 PM   #244 
  - This should be locked. It is a right-wing bullshit meme.  tekisui   Apr-24-10 12:29 AM   #245 
  - It is VERY telling  blindpig   Apr-24-10 06:30 AM   #253 
     - + 1,000,000  LWolf   Apr-24-10 05:09 PM   #258 
  - You're not alone.  proteus_lives   Apr-24-10 12:49 AM   #247 
  - I don't like it either.  Quantess   Apr-24-10 02:33 AM   #248 
  - Nope.  shadowknows69   Apr-24-10 02:35 AM   #249 
  - Keyword: ILLEGAL  Zipp   Apr-24-10 05:38 AM   #251 
  - Bull fucking shit.  tekisui   Apr-24-10 08:52 AM   #254 
  - How about those who entered legally but fell out of status, big talker?  Bluebear   Apr-24-10 02:49 PM   #257 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-10 09:15 PM   #259 
  - Put the illegal employers in jail and the illegal immigration problem is solved!  B Calm   Apr-24-10 05:43 AM   #252 
  - There ya go.  KonaKane   Apr-24-10 09:17 PM   #260 
  - No ..  sendero   Apr-24-10 08:56 AM   #255 

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