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Sat May-05-07 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #32 |
| 89. Of course evolution doesn't explain the source of matter and energy. |
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Neither does it explain nuclear fission. Why the hell would a a theory underpinning biology explain phenomena dictated by the laws of physics? What a silly argument.
Just curious: do you deny the existence of early hominids (neanderthals, Homo Habilis, etc)? Do you deny that human beings - and aforementioned hominid progenitors - are a member of the same order of mammals as apes?
If so, then you might as well admit that you don't believe in reality.
If not, have you ever considered the possibility that those early hominids were precursors to homo sapiens - that is to say, that desirable traits from such species were reproduced and the offspring thus eventually evolved into homo sapiens, while undesirable traits eventually led to the extinction of said species? If you have considered that possibility, is it such a stretch to imagine that, millenia before that, humans and apes had a common ancestor, the offspring of which produced traits that are observable in today's humans and chimpanzees? If you can wrap your mind around that, is it such a stretch to believe that all life on earth evolved in such a manner?
The fact is that this planet is approximately four billion years old, and for a good amount of that time, life on earth remained single-celled. The fact is that life slowly - yes - evolved, becoming more and more complex. The fact is that primordial life forms passed certain key traits onto future generations, which can be observed through fossil records. That process is known as evolution and it resulted in the diversity of life on earth we see today.
You drastically misuse the term "theory." As scientists use the word, "theory" refers to a coherent body of principle that explains a certain discipline. It does NOT mean a "guess" or a "conjecture" as it does in informal vernacular. The definition of scientific theory is one of the basic foundations of understanding the scientific method and when you spectacularly misstate such a basic foundational principle of science you cripple your argument and prove that you have no real business trying to argue science with anyone.
Faith, by definition, is something that must be believed in absence of evidence. You assert that there is "no scientific validity" to evolution, but you are, once again, astonishingly wrong; it would not be a scientific THEORY if it had not passed muster through the scientific method.
I don't mean to be rude but did you take elementary school science? My childhood science education didn't dwell on evolutionary biology but I did learn what the scientific method was, and the means by which scientists test hypotheses and arrive at theories. You appear to lack even that basic knowledge. Please, educate yourself before you opine about such things in public - you are NOT doing "religion" any favors with your argument.
FTR, I am not an atheist. But I don't have to be to look at the evidence and understand the reality of evolution.
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| -Do you believe in evolution? The dumbing down of America |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-03-07 10:40 PM |
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I've always been baffled by brilliant engineers who examine data all day... |
Flatulo |
May-03-07 11:18 PM |
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I used to live in a town with one doctor. He was deeply involved |
mycritters2 |
May-03-07 11:26 PM |
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A doctor who fails to believe in evolution can't accurately prescribe antibiotics... |
Tesha |
May-04-07 06:10 AM |
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That's what I figured. |
mycritters2 |
May-04-07 11:29 AM |
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Maybe it's because their deep understanding of nature allows them to overcome philosophical BIAS |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 06:50 AM |
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Spare us the New Age BS. |
Odin2005 |
May-04-07 08:46 AM |
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Are you being satirical? |
mr blur |
May-04-07 12:49 PM |
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Materialism and reductionism are hard on people... |
firefox_fan |
May-04-07 09:59 AM |
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Engineering is not Evolutionary Biology, it's not even a life science, |
ToeBot |
May-04-07 11:55 AM |
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Snake oil salesmen have always done well. |
karlrschneider |
May-03-07 11:27 PM |
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To believe in something for which there is no |
MN ChimpH8R |
May-03-07 11:37 PM |
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Your first paragraph is not only memorable, but quotable. |
Flatulo |
May-03-07 11:50 PM |
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what is the responsibility of a human being again? |
hfojvt |
May-03-07 11:58 PM |
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i'm trying to reconcile how 'empathy' would be replaced by Boyle's Gas Law |
NuttyFluffers |
May-04-07 05:58 AM |
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The mechanics of reality may not obviate a world view but they ALWAYS exist within in one. |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 06:58 AM |
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yay! someone who 'gets it'. |
NuttyFluffers |
May-04-07 07:03 AM |
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Those two things aren't mutually exclusive |
Goblinmonger |
May-04-07 07:50 AM |
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correct, as someone adequately noted, having apples define oranges tends to be bad |
NuttyFluffers |
May-04-07 11:45 PM |
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And the weird thing is, a lot of DUers argue the Rationalist point irrationally! |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 08:27 AM |
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I am well read on Metaphysics and find Idealism and Dualism to be ridiculous. |
Odin2005 |
May-04-07 08:49 AM |
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that's nice dear! |
NuttyFluffers |
May-04-07 11:46 PM |
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You need not have or lose faith in empathy |
MN ChimpH8R |
May-04-07 05:47 PM |
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well it's a bit more than that, but yes, good comment! |
NuttyFluffers |
May-05-07 12:13 AM |
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No religion here |
MN ChimpH8R |
May-04-07 05:43 PM |
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And even when science seems to lose... |
Tesha |
May-04-07 06:13 AM |
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And who is more dogmatic than the Materialists? And "Science" is now beholden to Industry |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 06:55 AM |
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I find it interesting |
Goblinmonger |
May-04-07 07:47 AM |
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Just a friendly reply, my world view embraces both Materialism & Idealism. While I argue |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 08:31 AM |
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I think more people should embrace both. |
Goblinmonger |
May-04-07 09:15 AM |
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No it is not. |
Odin2005 |
May-04-07 08:51 AM |
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Don't agree that science "wins", because I don't acknowledge the battle. |
regularguy |
May-04-07 07:48 AM |
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Socrates is _____ .... a peanut butter and banana sandwich!!! |
B3Nut |
May-04-07 08:47 AM |
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All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is ______ |
DarkTirade |
May-04-07 06:36 PM |
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Well put. |
Naturyl |
May-03-07 11:44 PM |
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so what are you saying? |
hfojvt |
May-03-07 11:56 PM |
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Agree with you., why is this necessary? |
Jack Sprat |
May-04-07 12:07 AM |
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The two goals are compatible, and reinforce each other |
muriel_volestrangler |
May-04-07 05:18 AM |
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but people always forget that these reactionaries also ignore 'faith' |
NuttyFluffers |
May-04-07 06:40 AM |
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Well written, very insightful and you should write a book. It's an important subject. |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 07:04 AM |
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Nothing to do with God |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-04-07 08:30 AM |
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nothing to do with God |
hfojvt |
May-04-07 12:40 PM |
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I believe that evolution produced humanity. I also believe in God. |
Veganistan |
May-03-07 11:59 PM |
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Nor should you be. |
Jack Sprat |
May-04-07 12:10 AM |
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Man invented God, not the other way around. n/t |
maine_raptor |
May-04-07 05:23 AM |
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Most Americans INCLUDING many DU'ers mistake Evolution for Darwinism |
cryingshame |
May-04-07 06:47 AM |
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What the fuck is Darwinism? |
alarimer |
May-04-07 08:09 AM |
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By calling it Darwinism |
genie_weenie |
May-04-07 09:06 AM |
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What the fuck is Darwinism? |
alarimer |
May-04-07 08:09 AM |
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Your ignorance is showing. |
Odin2005 |
May-04-07 08:56 AM |
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You're comparing apples and oranges |
EstimatedProphet |
May-04-07 07:04 AM |
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You hit the nail on the head. |
Selatius |
May-04-07 07:31 AM |
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There is a reason a scientist can NOT believe God guided evolution |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-04-07 08:37 AM |
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No, I disagree |
EstimatedProphet |
May-04-07 09:14 AM |
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God is the cause of lightning? |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-04-07 09:25 AM |
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No, I'm not |
EstimatedProphet |
May-04-07 09:37 AM |
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What about a sick and twisted God who would allow things such as the plague killing 1/3 of Europe as |
skyblue |
May-04-07 05:57 PM |
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This is a REGRESSION |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-04-07 07:40 AM |
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The only shows that 51% of the population are idiots |
alarimer |
May-04-07 08:10 AM |
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The difference is macro and micro evolution.... |
TnDem |
May-04-07 08:15 AM |
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Name removed |
May-04-07 08:58 AM |
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That's not true |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-04-07 09:02 AM |
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It means nothing...because... |
TnDem |
May-04-07 09:27 AM |
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Do some reading |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-04-07 09:39 AM |
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Evidence for macroevolution is indirect but abundant |
slackmaster |
May-04-07 09:20 AM |
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If it's not direct, it's not science.... |
TnDem |
May-04-07 09:32 AM |
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The theory of evolution is silent on the origin of the universe |
slackmaster |
May-04-07 10:10 AM |
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Thanks for telling that to scientists. |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-04-07 11:59 AM |
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polyploidy is instant (and observable) macroevolution.... |
mike_c |
May-04-07 09:37 AM |
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Research "induced polyploidy" and get back to me |
NickB79 |
May-04-07 03:42 PM |
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Of course evolution doesn't explain the source of matter and energy. |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-05-07 03:33 AM |
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To quote an undergrad anthropology prof of mine: |
InvisibleTouch |
May-04-07 08:18 AM |
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"Fish will be the last to discover water." (Einstein) |
TahitiNut |
May-04-07 09:07 AM |
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Even the pollsters do not understand what evolution is. |
BurtWorm |
May-04-07 09:26 AM |
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to me, saying "God guides evolution" |
mikelgb |
May-04-07 09:28 AM |
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Not buying evolution and saying God guided it are VERY different. |
SmokingJacket |
May-04-07 09:33 AM |
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Moved v guided |
dave_p |
May-04-07 01:57 PM |
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The fact that the question was even asked.... |
BluePatriot |
May-04-07 09:57 AM |
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Best response in this thread!!! |
CrispyQGirl |
May-04-07 04:06 PM |
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My faith is 100% compatible with science |
FloridaJudy |
May-04-07 10:15 AM |
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Proof that |
JitterbugPerfume |
May-04-07 10:19 AM |
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Science is science... belief is belief and it is about time |
JCMach1 |
May-04-07 12:50 PM |
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Don't confuse Faith with Knowledge and don't get worked up where they intersect |
CreekDog |
May-04-07 01:16 PM |
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Rejecting evolution is tantamount to rejecting the idea of a round Earth |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-04-07 01:42 PM |
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I haven't been lied to, there was no intent to deceive |
CreekDog |
May-04-07 02:45 PM |
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It's hard to understand |
Johonny |
May-04-07 02:37 PM |
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Ask them why they are denying it |
CreekDog |
May-04-07 03:07 PM |
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Similar to what you stated earlier, I believe in God and accept evolution |
EstimatedProphet |
May-04-07 03:26 PM |
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Sorry, but I don't accept results from cheap corporate media polls |
depakid |
May-04-07 03:32 PM |
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Just for a chuckle |
FloridaJudy |
May-04-07 06:31 PM |
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Another take on this (what about those beings from other planets?) |
bambino |
May-04-07 11:50 PM |
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