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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:55 PM
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22. No, it can't be both. Facts are measurements that can in principle be verified by anyone
A scientific theory is a well-supported explanation for those facts. So, to put it in the evolution debate, evolution is fact, natural selection is the theory explaining the observed evolution of features over time. However, it doesn't help at all that the word theory is used in a flimsy way in everyday conversation, and you'll also see scientists using the word evolution for theory instead of natural selection. I really wish we'd pick a different word for theory in science. It's been co-opted and is next to useless for popular discussions.
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  -Evolution is a fact, not a theory oberliner  May-03-07 09:33 PM   #0 
  - Did you catch which ones raised their hands? N/T  BlueStateModerate   May-03-07 09:35 PM   #1 
  - Brownback, Huckabee, and Tancredo nt  oberliner   May-03-07 09:39 PM   #3 
     - Exactly the ones you would expect to raise their hands  slackmaster   May-04-07 10:13 AM   #44 
  - I believe in evolution, yet I think its still a theory  Lerkfish   May-03-07 09:36 PM   #2 
  - Can't it be a fact and a theory?  oberliner   May-03-07 09:40 PM   #4 
  - Precisely, oberliner..  opiate69   May-03-07 09:43 PM   #6 
  - String theory is an example of a another very popular theory. But it is not fact.  cassiepriam   May-03-07 09:46 PM   #12 
  - A theory can reasonably explain all observable data, and still be wrong.  Lerkfish   May-03-07 09:49 PM   #15 
     - Well, much like the apple in my previous post..  opiate69   May-03-07 09:52 PM   #18 
        - I agree it is considered a fact, as you say.  Lerkfish   May-03-07 10:00 PM   #23 
  - No not absolute fact. Scientists have found evidence disputing some of  cassiepriam   May-03-07 09:44 PM   #7 
  - For someone who claims to be a scientist, you seem to have no idea what "scientific theory" means.  opiate69   May-03-07 09:46 PM   #10 
  - Tsk tsk....A theory is a way to explain facts. And theories, even popular ones  cassiepriam   May-03-07 09:54 PM   #20 
     - Ok then.. is this statement a fact?  opiate69   May-03-07 10:05 PM   #25 
  - I'mm poo pooing what you just said.  madeline_con   May-03-07 09:47 PM   #13 
  - evolution is a fact. It is a demonstrable fact.  Warren Stupidity   May-03-07 09:51 PM   #16 
  - Darwin's theory was Natural Selection. Evolution is a fact.  johnaries   May-03-07 10:12 PM   #26 
  - Can you link to some of this "evidence"?  Finnfan   May-04-07 07:52 AM   #33 
  - There is proof that things have evolved, therefore evolution is a fact  gollygee   May-04-07 08:17 AM   #40 
  - Evolution is a theory in the same way "the Earth is round" is a theory.  Oregonian   May-04-07 10:10 AM   #43 
  - No, it can't be both. Facts are measurements that can in principle be verified by anyone  electron_blue   May-03-07 09:55 PM   #22 
  - Thank you from a fellow scientist.  cassiepriam   May-03-07 09:41 PM   #5 
  - Yes. It is fact, not holy writ  EstimatedProphet   May-03-07 09:44 PM   #8 
  - Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a theory  oberliner   May-03-07 09:46 PM   #11 
  - I'm with you lerk  Zodiak Ironfist   May-03-07 10:13 PM   #27 
  - Oh jeez.  BlooInBloo   May-03-07 09:45 PM   #9 
  - The fossil record is a fact ... evidence of a phenomenon. The mechanism is theoretical.  TahitiNut   May-03-07 09:48 PM   #14 
  - Wish there had been a follow up, "Do you believe in the theory of relativity?"  LibInTexas   May-03-07 09:51 PM   #17 
  - You gotta "love" the ignorance...  Naturyl   May-03-07 09:53 PM   #19 
  - That's a really good point that the media forgets to mention  EstimatedProphet   May-03-07 09:54 PM   #21 
  - God, you're right!  Error   May-03-07 10:02 PM   #24 
  - You are correct, but I think your presentation is a little confusing.  Skinner   May-03-07 10:19 PM   #28 
  - I would have spoken up had I been on that stage.  Idioteque   May-03-07 10:27 PM   #29 
  - Maybe it's mis-named  Wiregrass Willie   May-04-07 06:32 AM   #30 
  - Well, I've heard the likes of Al Franken, Randi Rhodes & countless DU'ers make the same mistake  cryingshame   May-04-07 06:43 AM   #31 
  - No, "that" is not "a fact"  muriel_volestrangler   May-04-07 07:49 AM   #32 
  - Why didn't dinosaurs evolve?  WinkyDink   May-04-07 07:56 AM   #34 
  - They did.  muriel_volestrangler   May-04-07 08:01 AM   #35 
     - Birds MIGHT be linked. Some dispute this:  WinkyDink   May-04-07 08:15 AM   #39 
        - But most, as your link says, think birds are descended from dinosaurs  muriel_volestrangler   May-04-07 09:46 AM   #41 
  - The next thing you're going to try and say  mmonk   May-04-07 08:02 AM   #36 
  - AMEN! Now, onto disproving the theory of gravity.  Philosoraptor   May-04-07 08:03 AM   #37 
  - Evolution IS a theory, the creationists just don't know the proper definition of "theory"  Odin2005   May-04-07 08:14 AM   #38 
  - Any scientist worth their snuff  frustrated_lefty   May-04-07 10:03 AM   #42 

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