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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 11:48 PM
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45. The ignorance of US history here is apalling. Please take some time to study the
political history of your own country and of the left.
The stupid comments here would be laughable if you were not obviously serious.

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  -Some history of US leftist political violence. Evidently, some people believe theUS left old mark  Apr-18-10 01:28 PM   #0 
  - Please identify the "some people" who make this claim.  Dr Morbius   Apr-18-10 01:30 PM   #1 
  - Ignored  BrklynLiberal   Apr-18-10 01:30 PM   #2 
  - Violence on the left is ignored by the left - just like the conservatives do  stray cat   Apr-18-10 01:41 PM   #6 
  - I wouldn't argue there's been no violence on the left. I would argue there is no equivalency.  SteppingRazor   Apr-18-10 01:31 PM   #3 
  - That McVeigh was more effective does not impact if the left or right fringe is more violent  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-18-10 01:40 PM   #5 
     - ALF/ELF "major" property damage vs the Oklahoma city bombing  DireStrike   Apr-18-10 09:09 PM   #32 
        - I for one perceive a significant difference between violence and mayhem  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-18-10 11:18 PM   #39 
           - Property damage is far less significant than murder  DireStrike   Apr-19-10 05:33 PM   #63 
              - What about intent and dersire? It is to me the true measure of violence, political and otherwise  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 06:43 PM   #64 
  - Actually outside of the weatherman movement doing bombings the rest of this is BS  mrcheerful   Apr-18-10 01:39 PM   #4 
  - You are using the motivation matters as rationalizing violence...are you sure you want to go there?  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-18-10 01:41 PM   #7 
  - So if motivation doesn't at least explain some acts of violence,  sabrina 1   Apr-18-10 02:03 PM   #15 
  - I'm not sure that those riots began as riots -- just the mob mentality  gateley   Apr-18-10 02:04 PM   #16 
  - The Rodney King riots seemed to me to be spontaneous eruptions of anger that  Demoiselle   Apr-18-10 02:10 PM   #17 
  - It was the same way as the 67 riots of Detroit and Newark it wasn't organized by any group  mrcheerful   Apr-18-10 02:22 PM   #20 
  - looks like you posted and ran when you began to lose the argument.  provis99   Apr-19-10 02:34 AM   #52 
     - Actually was busy teaching non-college stuff today  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 02:44 AM   #53 
  - Violence by animal rights activists? shooting army recruiters recently?  stray cat   Apr-18-10 01:42 PM   #8 
  - Animal rights activists very rarely kill anyone. Same with the Weather Underground, actually. n/t  Unvanguard   Apr-18-10 01:57 PM   #12 
     - Rarely? Try never.  flvegan   Apr-19-10 12:29 AM   #49 
        - So if someone dies by accident in a fire they start they are not actual animal rights activists?  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 02:48 AM   #54 
           - IMO  flvegan   Apr-19-10 09:25 AM   #56 
  - How could the riots of 1967 be the result of the murder of MLK?  harkadog   Apr-18-10 01:47 PM   #9 
     - Ok I was thinking of the 68 riots after MLK was murder here is what I found about the 67 riots  mrcheerful   Apr-18-10 01:55 PM   #11 
  - What does that have to do with now?  mmonk   Apr-18-10 01:50 PM   #10 
  - The Weather Underground killed only its own members, accidentally.  Unvanguard   Apr-18-10 01:59 PM   #13 
  - They blew up a cop in SF and a grad student in Madison.  harkadog   Apr-18-10 02:15 PM   #18 
     - Source?  Unvanguard   Apr-18-10 02:45 PM   #21 
        - Links below  harkadog   Apr-18-10 03:08 PM   #23 
           - All you have there are allegations.  Unvanguard   Apr-18-10 04:11 PM   #26 
           - Allegations?  harkadog   Apr-18-10 05:09 PM   #27 
              - I don't "choose" to believe anybody. Certainly I do not trust the FBI on this issue.  Unvanguard   Apr-18-10 07:07 PM   #28 
           - OMFG Your source is THE FBI? Did you hear how they defended themselves  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 07:13 PM   #29 
              - OMFG Your source is the Weather Underground?  harkadog   Apr-18-10 08:25 PM   #30 
                 - LOL. Bill Ayers is one of the most respected educators in the country.  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 09:02 PM   #31 
                    - Which means what exactly?  harkadog   Apr-18-10 09:40 PM   #35 
                    - Which means you are avoiding the facts about Ayers  KonaKane   Apr-18-10 09:50 PM   #37 
                       - You are incorrect.  harkadog   Apr-18-10 10:28 PM   #38 
                          - I'm incorrect that we don't hold people responsible for "might haves"?  KonaKane   Apr-18-10 11:46 PM   #44 
                             - I hope you only give legal opinions on the internet.  harkadog   Apr-19-10 12:17 AM   #46 
                    - Errr, not really. He has a good PR department, but he is not part of most educators thought process  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-18-10 11:22 PM   #40 
  - The left has resorted to violence throughout U.S. history.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-18-10 02:02 PM   #14 
  - A lot of so-caled leftist violence is simply vandalism  Downtown Hound   Apr-18-10 02:15 PM   #19 
  - Is that because they chose not to or is it all they could manage?  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 10:03 AM   #57 
     - Who are "they" specifically?  Downtown Hound   Apr-19-10 11:51 AM   #61 
        - I was responding to your collection in the prior post  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 02:13 PM   #62 
  - Never seen anybody claim that - what they have claimed is that was 40 years ago  HughMoran   Apr-18-10 02:57 PM   #22 
  - Oh it goes FURHTER BACK than the 1960s... how about the 1880s  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-18-10 03:10 PM   #24 
  - You are correct, and again I would urge people to actually read some history  old mark   Apr-18-10 11:44 PM   #42 
  - For true disclosure, there have been convictions of agents provocateurs in left groups  havocmom   Apr-18-10 03:22 PM   #25 
  - What's the purpose of this rancid puke? (nt)  whatchamacallit   Apr-18-10 09:22 PM   #33 
  - This particular rancid puke is American History - try reading some sometime. nt  old mark   Apr-18-10 11:46 PM   #43 
     - You know what I mean  whatchamacallit   Apr-19-10 01:21 AM   #50 
  - I impugn your motives for this drivel.  KonaKane   Apr-18-10 09:38 PM   #34 
  - your second link does not demonstrate your point  G_j   Apr-18-10 09:43 PM   #36 
  - Well, thank goodness we have cleared that up. nt  bemildred   Apr-18-10 11:26 PM   #41 
  - The ignorance of US history here is apalling. Please take some time to study the  old mark   Apr-18-10 11:48 PM   #45 
  - I think the problem is that if you look at the political violence map...  Cleobulus   Apr-19-10 12:19 AM   #47 
  - What if you take it internationally?  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 02:53 AM   #55 
  - Oh my god, I was just about to say the same thing. Would you like a reading list?  LeftyMom   Apr-19-10 12:24 AM   #48 
  - Bob Altemeyer's studied authoritarianism on the left and the right. Guess which side's got more...  backscatter712   Apr-19-10 01:37 AM   #51 
  - I think  RickyM   Apr-19-10 10:24 AM   #58 
     - Old Mark was right by the way...  hayu_lol   Apr-19-10 10:40 AM   #59 
     - Wouldn't your logic allow Tim McVeigh to call his violence "counter-violence"  karynnj   Apr-19-10 11:31 AM   #60 

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