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188. Perhaps the most equable solution is tax credits for three children.
Many are rightly concerned about over population. However, the problem isn't with the industrialized countries but in the so-called Third World countries. Some industrialized countries have such low birth rate that their is real concern about their future.

I would like to note that the military has for a number of years limited allotments for the first three children. It certainly was an effective incentive for families to limit the number of children that they choose to have. I would think that that would be a reasonable approach that could be applied nationally.

There has been a great deal of discussion about how the wealthy 1% have control of the something like 75% of the total wealth. There is a simple solution to the plight of the working class. When they decide to get off off the ass and unionize they can start getting a fair share of what they produce. When 36% of the working class were unionized they enjoyed the highest standard of living that only required one person to support a family. When the working class organize they will be in a position where they can demand universal health care, stop the hemorrhaging of jobs to out-sourcing, a fair division of the profits and reasonable compensation for executives.
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  -Why do people get a tax credits for having kids? Pryderi  Apr-16-10 11:21 PM   #0 
  - Because those of us who spawn are much better than you are.  Maru Kitteh   Apr-16-10 11:26 PM   #1 
  - LOL just pour some gasoline on the fire why don'tcha?  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-16-10 11:27 PM   #4 
  - *Snarf* - I couldn't help it. I've spent the entire week at a govt. seminar.  Maru Kitteh   Apr-16-10 11:40 PM   #18 
     - That sounds worse than some of the teacher conferences I attended...  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-16-10 11:45 PM   #22 
  - lmao... you breeder elitist! lol ;) n/t  iamthebandfanman   Apr-17-10 05:30 AM   #70 
  - see.. i was going to go more we are fuckin selfish assholes depleting.....  seabeyond   Apr-17-10 10:21 AM   #113 
  - I think he's looking for an answer to a legitimate question...  lame54   Apr-17-10 07:08 PM   #136 
     - Yep.  theHandpuppet   Apr-18-10 03:42 PM   #173 
        - when you have children, you are pumping more money into the economy..... that is a simple  seabeyond   Apr-19-10 06:26 AM   #189 
  - Cuz Dem's Share  Synnical   Apr-16-10 11:26 PM   #2 
  - Because we live in a country that despises childless people and likes to punish them.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-16-10 11:27 PM   #3 
  - And endure the marriagew penalty?  Gman2   Apr-16-10 11:29 PM   #6 
  - You might want to fix your attempted Princess Bride mimic.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:31 PM   #12 
  - I am tha Dwed Pie-wut Wah-butts!!  Iggo   Apr-17-10 08:09 AM   #89 
  - What marriage penalty? The made up one to keep people angry  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:44 AM   #104 
     - Actually, there was a marriage penalty  Abq_Sarah   Apr-17-10 02:09 PM   #130 
        - And that marriage penalty (or bonus) depended on whether or not both spouses worked  meow2u3   Apr-18-10 07:29 AM   #161 
  - .  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:30 PM   #8 
  - "...whatever expensive thing I decide to spend time on..."  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:26 AM   #58 
  - you completely missed the point  Skittles   Apr-19-10 05:06 AM   #186 
  - My only problem with your argument  Dorian Gray   Apr-17-10 05:55 AM   #78 
  - If more Progressives had children and passed THEIR values  MicaelS   Apr-17-10 06:25 AM   #82 
  - Yee Haw  blueamy66   Apr-17-10 08:40 AM   #95 
  - Married with two kids.  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:44 AM   #102 
  - Maybe its the same reason adults without children pay taxes for schools and other services.  NYC_SKP   Apr-16-10 11:28 PM   #5 
  - That's my take.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:34 PM   #13 
  - i was a grandmother at 38. nt  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:30 AM   #40 
  - I don't have any little devils either, but I don't have any problems kicking in.  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Apr-17-10 08:23 AM   #92 
  - Yep, I want well-fed and educated adults taking care of business when I'm no longer able...  NYC_SKP   Apr-17-10 10:42 AM   #116 
  - Oh, Boo Boo!  SCRUBDASHRUB   Apr-17-10 11:26 PM   #154 
  - I have two kids  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:47 AM   #106 
  - + 1 nt  hack89   Apr-17-10 11:02 AM   #119 
  - .  bobbolink   Apr-17-10 09:02 PM   #144 
  - If they don't get educated we have no job pool.  deaniac21   Apr-19-10 01:35 PM   #193 
  - Why cant we single people get a tax credit for having twins in the jacuzzi?  Initech   Apr-16-10 11:29 PM   #7 
  - Long term survival of the species?  bemildred   Apr-16-10 11:30 PM   #9 
  - overpopulation is going to kill us  lame54   Apr-17-10 07:11 PM   #137 
  - No kids would kill us too.  bemildred   Apr-17-10 09:57 PM   #149 
  - tax credits or no tax credits - there will be births...  lame54   Apr-18-10 01:42 AM   #159 
     - Well Dang then, we don't need to worry about anything killing us. nt  bemildred   Apr-18-10 08:26 AM   #162 
  - Don't worry about it...Natural Disasters and Endless Wars will keep the population well in check  KoKo   Apr-18-10 04:14 PM   #178 
  - We tend to perpetuate (actually over-perpetuate) without any tax advantage.  Statistical   Apr-18-10 04:04 PM   #177 
  - You're buying reiki massages for billionaires, and this is your worry?  Chulanowa   Apr-16-10 11:31 PM   #10 
  - ^_^  bobbolink   Apr-17-10 09:03 PM   #145 
  - You can claim all warm bodies, that you  Naturalist111   Apr-16-10 11:31 PM   #11 
  - Way to bring logic to the thread.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:35 PM   #14 
  - I rarely do that. I figure people can at least help themselves  Naturalist111   Apr-16-10 11:55 PM   #28 
  - If that were true I could claim my dog.  undeterred   Apr-17-10 01:15 PM   #124 
     - LOL only people!  Naturalist111   Apr-17-10 06:57 PM   #134 
        - You said "warm bodies" so I thought maybe  undeterred   Apr-17-10 07:15 PM   #139 
           - A farmer or a Rancher does why shouldn't you?  Naturalist111   Apr-17-10 10:18 PM   #152 
              - stock animals are NOT pets, they are revenue producing assets  havocmom   Apr-17-10 11:41 PM   #155 
                 - I am glad you said that.  Naturalist111   Apr-19-10 10:03 PM   #194 
  - So that I can get rich with those tax credits.  Vickers   Apr-16-10 11:36 PM   #15 
  - +1  MrsMatt   Apr-18-10 05:37 PM   #181 
  - Because raising the next generation costs far more then any tax credit  Tailormyst   Apr-16-10 11:38 PM   #16 
  - Because raising children pushes you 99% of the way towards wanting to murder non-parents...  Cessna Invesco Palin   Apr-16-10 11:38 PM   #17 
  - exactly.  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:32 AM   #41 
  - I'd rather help support other people's kids than their fucking churches!  katandmoon   Apr-16-10 11:41 PM   #19 
  - You win the POST OF THE DAY AWARD!  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:42 PM   #20 
  - Thanks! :)  katandmoon   Apr-17-10 12:46 AM   #45 
  - The church tax exemption is a function of seperation of church/state  yodoobo   Apr-16-10 11:51 PM   #27 
  - Please explain how allowing churches to have special privileges helps keep the divide in place.  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 12:17 AM   #32 
  - There is no linkage between the 1st amendment and tax exempt status  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 01:12 AM   #47 
     - you said it  yodoobo   Apr-17-10 02:00 AM   #49 
     - Rewriting the constitution is a lot harder than changing the tax code  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 02:09 AM   #50 
        - well i agree it won't change  yodoobo   Apr-17-10 02:14 AM   #52 
           - In order to change the constitution you'd need an issue that crosses ideological lines  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 02:37 AM   #55 
     - Indeed.  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 10:03 AM   #112 
        - Because religious organizations are specifically listed in 501(c)(3)  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 01:55 PM   #125 
  - What's that got to do with paying taxes for the services they receive?  katandmoon   Apr-17-10 12:46 AM   #44 
  - nothing.  yodoobo   Apr-17-10 02:10 AM   #51 
  - It's not working.  Jamastiene   Apr-17-10 03:44 AM   #56 
  - can you tell the churches to stay out of the government then because they sure seem to  ejpoeta   Apr-17-10 05:43 AM   #73 
  - Jefferson and Madison didn't think so  hobbit709   Apr-17-10 09:45 AM   #105 
  - Churches already have cabinet level posistions.  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:50 AM   #108 
  - Churches don't pay property tax...  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 03:00 PM   #171 
     - You can have anything you want  yodoobo   Apr-18-10 04:01 PM   #176 
        - I don't even think...  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 04:28 PM   #179 
  - + 100 brazillion  madmom   Apr-17-10 10:00 AM   #111 
  - This looks like a hit and run job.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:44 PM   #21 
  - +1  Toucano   Apr-16-10 11:46 PM   #23 
  - kids are expensive  yodoobo   Apr-16-10 11:46 PM   #24 
  - We have a winner!  MzShellG   Apr-17-10 11:15 AM   #120 
  - All tax credits need to go away. ALL OF THEM.  Fading Captain   Apr-16-10 11:47 PM   #25 
  - Steve Forbes, is that you? n/t  Cessna Invesco Palin   Apr-17-10 12:25 AM   #36 
  - Why do all tax credits need to go away? nt  ZombieHorde   Apr-17-10 02:00 PM   #126 
     - Why should the government encourage or discourage behaviour  Fading Captain   Apr-18-10 11:01 AM   #163 
        - I don't think very many people have kids for tax reasons, so I don't  ZombieHorde   Apr-18-10 01:46 PM   #167 
  - Because having a child is the quickest way to drop below the poverty line...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-16-10 11:47 PM   #26 
  - Because they're an enormous expense.  LeftyMom   Apr-16-10 11:58 PM   #29 
  - Get 'em jobs, or ten!  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 12:12 AM   #30 
     - I love the comment somebody made:  LeftyMom   Apr-17-10 12:14 AM   #31 
        - If only I hadn't been so durned lazy!  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 12:17 AM   #33 
  - They get tax credits for having  drmeow   Apr-17-10 12:23 AM   #34 
  - Yep! You can claim the wife if she doesn't work.  Naturalist111   Apr-17-10 12:26 AM   #38 
     - Or the husband, you know. There are stay-at-home dads, and we qualify as dependents.  Robb   Apr-17-10 09:42 PM   #147 
  - To encourage the poor and working class to provide fodder for the war  Foo Fighter   Apr-17-10 12:25 AM   #35 
  - That's definitely the main reason. We are a resource. We are not born. We are grown nt  conspirator   Apr-17-10 09:09 AM   #98 
     - Yep.  Foo Fighter   Apr-18-10 12:20 AM   #157 
  - bill maher just asked that question.  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:26 AM   #37 
  - Incidentally, Bill Maher is an asshole.  Orrex   Apr-17-10 12:29 AM   #39 
     - +1  havocmom   Apr-17-10 11:44 PM   #156 
  - some friends of mine are using  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:35 AM   #42 
  - Taxation: The People's Business  Toucano   Apr-17-10 12:44 AM   #43 
  - Because they taste like chicken?  Rincewind   Apr-17-10 12:51 AM   #46 
  - You might want to Google the term "long pig". n/t  Fumesucker   Apr-17-10 06:11 AM   #79 
  - I'd like to see that changed some. Maybe a bigger exemption,  brewens   Apr-17-10 01:33 AM   #48 
  - Another take on this which might get flamed  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 04:44 AM   #59 
  - just so we're clear....  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:48 AM   #60 
     - Yes from a macro standpoint  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 04:57 AM   #62 
        - I understand  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:04 AM   #66 
           - An interesting paper on this point (encouraging fertility)  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 05:19 AM   #68 
              - Can't wait to read it!  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:28 AM   #69 
                 - You are really taking this personally  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 05:43 AM   #72 
                    - And you are really taking this intellectually  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:49 AM   #74 
  - I like your idea  theHandpuppet   Apr-18-10 03:50 PM   #174 
  - I would imagine it's because the majority of voters are parents  Hippo_Tron   Apr-17-10 02:27 AM   #53 
  - because we were all kids at one time  JI7   Apr-17-10 02:28 AM   #54 
  - maybe because they have more mouths to feed?  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:18 AM   #57 
  - And everyone else should pay for their choice.  theHandpuppet   Apr-18-10 03:51 PM   #175 
     - No.  southlandshari   Apr-18-10 10:46 PM   #183 
  - kids have (mostly) a working life ahead of them, and therefore will pay taxes  miscsoc   Apr-17-10 04:51 AM   #61 
  - Population decline  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:59 AM   #63 
  - If all people are fungible  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 05:00 AM   #64 
     - Ok...nevermind  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:06 AM   #67 
     - immigrants take time to assimilate, people aren't fungible in a straightforward sense  miscsoc   Apr-17-10 05:52 AM   #75 
  - Because those kids are going to pay YOUR social security /nt  jberryhill   Apr-17-10 05:03 AM   #65 
  - Cause, if they can't figure out how to use birth control,  Pharlo   Apr-17-10 05:32 AM   #71 
  - I saw a GREAT sigline recently...  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:52 AM   #77 
  - Good question. When you consider they use and consume more  Vinca   Apr-17-10 05:52 AM   #76 
  - Yup I don't get it.  dkf   Apr-17-10 06:15 AM   #80 
  - Interesting  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 06:21 AM   #81 
  - Because it takes more out of your core income to raise 'em.  rucky   Apr-17-10 06:42 AM   #83 
  - It's a choice  GinaMaria   Apr-17-10 10:34 AM   #114 
     - It's about as much of a choice as where you work.  rucky   Apr-17-10 11:25 AM   #121 
        - BS. Your statement would have been true years ago  GinaMaria   Apr-18-10 01:35 PM   #166 
           - C'mon, those are extremes. The people with the greatest need for family planning  rucky   Apr-18-10 01:58 PM   #169 
  - Why do people who *don't pay any taxes* get tax credits for having kids?  zinnisking   Apr-17-10 06:51 AM   #84 
  - Talk about every single  pipoman   Apr-17-10 07:32 AM   #85 
  - I've known at least 2 welfare families just like that  Mimosa   Apr-17-10 10:37 AM   #115 
  - It's a vicious cycle, and encourages sloths to create more welfare kids.  zinnisking   Apr-17-10 10:01 PM   #151 
     - Oh good....  Dorian Gray   Apr-19-10 06:41 AM   #190 
  - The ignorance about welfare currently in this country is astounding.  ipaint   Apr-18-10 07:35 PM   #182 
     - Career welfare recipients don't know how much it costs to raise a child because everything is free.  zinnisking   Apr-19-10 02:46 AM   #184 
        - Welfare reform  ipaint   Apr-19-10 01:19 PM   #192 
  - Every person  pipoman   Apr-17-10 07:34 AM   #86 
  - there is a Child Tax Credit in addition to the deduction  fishwax   Apr-17-10 09:27 AM   #100 
     - Oh yea, you are right...I stand corrected  pipoman   Apr-17-10 01:06 PM   #122 
  - Why does the tax credit end once the kid turns 17? Why does social security stop  Riley18   Apr-17-10 07:56 AM   #87 
  - It is fair because the income of the family is distributed to all. n/t  TexasProgresive   Apr-17-10 08:03 AM   #88 
  - Then the TV family of 19+ probably gets the government to pay for them.  Historic NY   Apr-17-10 08:17 AM   #90 
  - To help ease the costs of raising them.  Klukie   Apr-17-10 08:22 AM   #91 
  - Because TPTB need more consumers in the future  TransitJohn   Apr-17-10 08:25 AM   #93 
  - Because  edhopper   Apr-17-10 08:26 AM   #94 
  - I have no issues with tax credits for children  tabbycat31   Apr-17-10 08:43 AM   #96 
  - Because taxation should not deprive people of the necessities of life.  Dr Morbius   Apr-17-10 09:00 AM   #97 
  - Because those kids will be your doctors and nurses someday  mainer   Apr-17-10 09:11 AM   #99 
  - I got a HUGE tax refund for getting married.  divvy   Apr-17-10 09:42 AM   #101 
  - Because they are future sources of revenue for the government.  hobbit709   Apr-17-10 09:44 AM   #103 
  - Because they are an investment and the govt has many mandates on parents (nt)  The Straight Story   Apr-17-10 09:49 AM   #107 
  - It truly does take a village.  Geek_Girl   Apr-17-10 09:54 AM   #109 
  - Kids cost money  HughMoran   Apr-17-10 09:54 AM   #110 
  - The same reason people with children get unlimited sick time at  WestSeattle2   Apr-17-10 10:48 AM   #117 
  - if you're envious of people who have to leave work to pick up a sick kid,  Bill McBlueState   Apr-17-10 09:32 PM   #146 
     - Envious?  WestSeattle2   Apr-18-10 01:50 PM   #168 
  - Because the government has a compelling interest in promoting procreation.  WeDidIt   Apr-17-10 10:51 AM   #118 
  - You keep a starved dog from attacking by throwing it a bone  Taitertots   Apr-17-10 01:06 PM   #123 
  - we pump more money into the economy..... . nt  seabeyond   Apr-17-10 02:01 PM   #127 
  - Because without children there is no future for this planet.  DCBob   Apr-17-10 02:03 PM   #128 
  - WITH children there is no future for this planet, which is screaming in pain from overpopulation  pitohui   Apr-17-10 07:01 PM   #135 
     - Any positive reference to involuntary sterilization makes you an asshole.  nemo137   Apr-17-10 08:58 PM   #143 
     - The planet will be destroyed with or without us on it  The Straight Story   Apr-18-10 03:10 PM   #172 
     - "...involuntary sterilization for those who have more then two..."  olegramps   Apr-19-10 05:55 AM   #187 
  - I should get a tax credit for NOT having kids...nt  and-justice-for-all   Apr-17-10 02:06 PM   #129 
  - Because it's the job of the populace  LWolf   Apr-17-10 02:11 PM   #131 
  - Because politicians can get lots of votes by giving people money.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-17-10 02:15 PM   #132 
  - In theory, because kids are an investment.  frustrated_lefty   Apr-17-10 02:19 PM   #133 
  - Because those kids..  sendero   Apr-17-10 07:12 PM   #138 
  - Like the old days on DU: the parent wars  bluestateguy   Apr-17-10 07:19 PM   #140 
  - Because having kids helps maintain the long-run tax base  Dreamer Tatum   Apr-17-10 07:19 PM   #141 
  - Because it makes for such GREAT discussion on the internets.  flvegan   Apr-17-10 07:34 PM   #142 
  - Because the right wing has been in charge most recently . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-17-10 09:49 PM   #148 
  - Not so much to encourage people to have kids but so that they have more resources for them  CreekDog   Apr-17-10 09:59 PM   #150 
  - Because people with children vote more reliably than those without.  TransitJohn   Apr-17-10 10:48 PM   #153 
  - Why do the rich get tax cuts?  eyeofdelphi   Apr-18-10 12:53 AM   #158 
  - Why not a tax credit for childless people who have pets?  meow2u3   Apr-18-10 07:20 AM   #160 
  - Because it is in society's interest to have kids.  tonysam   Apr-18-10 11:07 AM   #164 
  - People who make that lifestyle choice want to reward others who do the same.  RB TexLa   Apr-18-10 12:46 PM   #165 
  - so people like the Duggars can maximize their huge & selfish sucking of the taxpayers  ima_sinnic   Apr-18-10 02:12 PM   #170 
  - It costs money to raise them and they are potential members of the  treestar   Apr-18-10 04:31 PM   #180 
  - So we have more money to take them to restuarants... and on AIRPLANES  Warren DeMontague   Apr-19-10 03:42 AM   #185 
  - Perhaps the most equable solution is tax credits for three children.  olegramps   Apr-19-10 06:25 AM   #188 
  - Net gain to social security within 40 years. n/t  adamuu   Apr-19-10 06:43 AM   #191 
  - Because feeding the little carpet munchers cost money. n/t  cynatnite   Apr-19-10 10:06 PM   #195 

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