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115. I've known at least 2 welfare families just like that
Zinnisking, I've known people who raised families on welfare benefits. They weren't rolling in the dough but they weren't uncomfortable either. They get food, subsidised housing, and free medical care and prescriptions.

When i was about 16 I became deeply concerned about the effects of overpopulation on the planet. I had a malthusian view, just on my own. Early on DH and i decided not to have children. Many couples we know did not contribute more human beings to the planet. Yet there are no 'rewards' for our conscious sacrifices.
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  -Why do people get a tax credits for having kids? Pryderi  Apr-16-10 11:21 PM   #0 
  - Because those of us who spawn are much better than you are.  Maru Kitteh   Apr-16-10 11:26 PM   #1 
  - LOL just pour some gasoline on the fire why don'tcha?  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-16-10 11:27 PM   #4 
  - *Snarf* - I couldn't help it. I've spent the entire week at a govt. seminar.  Maru Kitteh   Apr-16-10 11:40 PM   #18 
     - That sounds worse than some of the teacher conferences I attended...  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-16-10 11:45 PM   #22 
  - lmao... you breeder elitist! lol ;) n/t  iamthebandfanman   Apr-17-10 05:30 AM   #70 
  - see.. i was going to go more we are fuckin selfish assholes depleting.....  seabeyond   Apr-17-10 10:21 AM   #113 
  - I think he's looking for an answer to a legitimate question...  lame54   Apr-17-10 07:08 PM   #136 
     - Yep.  theHandpuppet   Apr-18-10 03:42 PM   #173 
        - when you have children, you are pumping more money into the economy..... that is a simple  seabeyond   Apr-19-10 06:26 AM   #189 
  - Cuz Dem's Share  Synnical   Apr-16-10 11:26 PM   #2 
  - Because we live in a country that despises childless people and likes to punish them.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-16-10 11:27 PM   #3 
  - And endure the marriagew penalty?  Gman2   Apr-16-10 11:29 PM   #6 
  - You might want to fix your attempted Princess Bride mimic.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:31 PM   #12 
  - I am tha Dwed Pie-wut Wah-butts!!  Iggo   Apr-17-10 08:09 AM   #89 
  - What marriage penalty? The made up one to keep people angry  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:44 AM   #104 
     - Actually, there was a marriage penalty  Abq_Sarah   Apr-17-10 02:09 PM   #130 
        - And that marriage penalty (or bonus) depended on whether or not both spouses worked  meow2u3   Apr-18-10 07:29 AM   #161 
  - .  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:30 PM   #8 
  - "...whatever expensive thing I decide to spend time on..."  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:26 AM   #58 
  - you completely missed the point  Skittles   Apr-19-10 05:06 AM   #186 
  - My only problem with your argument  Dorian Gray   Apr-17-10 05:55 AM   #78 
  - If more Progressives had children and passed THEIR values  MicaelS   Apr-17-10 06:25 AM   #82 
  - Yee Haw  blueamy66   Apr-17-10 08:40 AM   #95 
  - Married with two kids.  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:44 AM   #102 
  - Maybe its the same reason adults without children pay taxes for schools and other services.  NYC_SKP   Apr-16-10 11:28 PM   #5 
  - That's my take.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:34 PM   #13 
  - i was a grandmother at 38. nt  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:30 AM   #40 
  - I don't have any little devils either, but I don't have any problems kicking in.  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Apr-17-10 08:23 AM   #92 
  - Yep, I want well-fed and educated adults taking care of business when I'm no longer able...  NYC_SKP   Apr-17-10 10:42 AM   #116 
  - Oh, Boo Boo!  SCRUBDASHRUB   Apr-17-10 11:26 PM   #154 
  - I have two kids  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:47 AM   #106 
  - + 1 nt  hack89   Apr-17-10 11:02 AM   #119 
  - .  bobbolink   Apr-17-10 09:02 PM   #144 
  - If they don't get educated we have no job pool.  deaniac21   Apr-19-10 01:35 PM   #193 
  - Why cant we single people get a tax credit for having twins in the jacuzzi?  Initech   Apr-16-10 11:29 PM   #7 
  - Long term survival of the species?  bemildred   Apr-16-10 11:30 PM   #9 
  - overpopulation is going to kill us  lame54   Apr-17-10 07:11 PM   #137 
  - No kids would kill us too.  bemildred   Apr-17-10 09:57 PM   #149 
  - tax credits or no tax credits - there will be births...  lame54   Apr-18-10 01:42 AM   #159 
     - Well Dang then, we don't need to worry about anything killing us. nt  bemildred   Apr-18-10 08:26 AM   #162 
  - Don't worry about it...Natural Disasters and Endless Wars will keep the population well in check  KoKo   Apr-18-10 04:14 PM   #178 
  - We tend to perpetuate (actually over-perpetuate) without any tax advantage.  Statistical   Apr-18-10 04:04 PM   #177 
  - You're buying reiki massages for billionaires, and this is your worry?  Chulanowa   Apr-16-10 11:31 PM   #10 
  - ^_^  bobbolink   Apr-17-10 09:03 PM   #145 
  - You can claim all warm bodies, that you  Naturalist111   Apr-16-10 11:31 PM   #11 
  - Way to bring logic to the thread.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:35 PM   #14 
  - I rarely do that. I figure people can at least help themselves  Naturalist111   Apr-16-10 11:55 PM   #28 
  - If that were true I could claim my dog.  undeterred   Apr-17-10 01:15 PM   #124 
     - LOL only people!  Naturalist111   Apr-17-10 06:57 PM   #134 
        - You said "warm bodies" so I thought maybe  undeterred   Apr-17-10 07:15 PM   #139 
           - A farmer or a Rancher does why shouldn't you?  Naturalist111   Apr-17-10 10:18 PM   #152 
              - stock animals are NOT pets, they are revenue producing assets  havocmom   Apr-17-10 11:41 PM   #155 
                 - I am glad you said that.  Naturalist111   Apr-19-10 10:03 PM   #194 
  - So that I can get rich with those tax credits.  Vickers   Apr-16-10 11:36 PM   #15 
  - +1  MrsMatt   Apr-18-10 05:37 PM   #181 
  - Because raising the next generation costs far more then any tax credit  Tailormyst   Apr-16-10 11:38 PM   #16 
  - Because raising children pushes you 99% of the way towards wanting to murder non-parents...  Cessna Invesco Palin   Apr-16-10 11:38 PM   #17 
  - exactly.  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:32 AM   #41 
  - I'd rather help support other people's kids than their fucking churches!  katandmoon   Apr-16-10 11:41 PM   #19 
  - You win the POST OF THE DAY AWARD!  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:42 PM   #20 
  - Thanks! :)  katandmoon   Apr-17-10 12:46 AM   #45 
  - The church tax exemption is a function of seperation of church/state  yodoobo   Apr-16-10 11:51 PM   #27 
  - Please explain how allowing churches to have special privileges helps keep the divide in place.  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 12:17 AM   #32 
  - There is no linkage between the 1st amendment and tax exempt status  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 01:12 AM   #47 
     - you said it  yodoobo   Apr-17-10 02:00 AM   #49 
     - Rewriting the constitution is a lot harder than changing the tax code  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 02:09 AM   #50 
        - well i agree it won't change  yodoobo   Apr-17-10 02:14 AM   #52 
           - In order to change the constitution you'd need an issue that crosses ideological lines  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 02:37 AM   #55 
     - Indeed.  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 10:03 AM   #112 
        - Because religious organizations are specifically listed in 501(c)(3)  MajorChode   Apr-17-10 01:55 PM   #125 
  - What's that got to do with paying taxes for the services they receive?  katandmoon   Apr-17-10 12:46 AM   #44 
  - nothing.  yodoobo   Apr-17-10 02:10 AM   #51 
  - It's not working.  Jamastiene   Apr-17-10 03:44 AM   #56 
  - can you tell the churches to stay out of the government then because they sure seem to  ejpoeta   Apr-17-10 05:43 AM   #73 
  - Jefferson and Madison didn't think so  hobbit709   Apr-17-10 09:45 AM   #105 
  - Churches already have cabinet level posistions.  MattBaggins   Apr-17-10 09:50 AM   #108 
  - Churches don't pay property tax...  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 03:00 PM   #171 
     - You can have anything you want  yodoobo   Apr-18-10 04:01 PM   #176 
        - I don't even think...  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 04:28 PM   #179 
  - + 100 brazillion  madmom   Apr-17-10 10:00 AM   #111 
  - This looks like a hit and run job.  HuckleB   Apr-16-10 11:44 PM   #21 
  - +1  Toucano   Apr-16-10 11:46 PM   #23 
  - kids are expensive  yodoobo   Apr-16-10 11:46 PM   #24 
  - We have a winner!  MzShellG   Apr-17-10 11:15 AM   #120 
  - All tax credits need to go away. ALL OF THEM.  Fading Captain   Apr-16-10 11:47 PM   #25 
  - Steve Forbes, is that you? n/t  Cessna Invesco Palin   Apr-17-10 12:25 AM   #36 
  - Why do all tax credits need to go away? nt  ZombieHorde   Apr-17-10 02:00 PM   #126 
     - Why should the government encourage or discourage behaviour  Fading Captain   Apr-18-10 11:01 AM   #163 
        - I don't think very many people have kids for tax reasons, so I don't  ZombieHorde   Apr-18-10 01:46 PM   #167 
  - Because having a child is the quickest way to drop below the poverty line...  Ozymanithrax   Apr-16-10 11:47 PM   #26 
  - Because they're an enormous expense.  LeftyMom   Apr-16-10 11:58 PM   #29 
  - Get 'em jobs, or ten!  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 12:12 AM   #30 
     - I love the comment somebody made:  LeftyMom   Apr-17-10 12:14 AM   #31 
        - If only I hadn't been so durned lazy!  HuckleB   Apr-17-10 12:17 AM   #33 
  - They get tax credits for having  drmeow   Apr-17-10 12:23 AM   #34 
  - Yep! You can claim the wife if she doesn't work.  Naturalist111   Apr-17-10 12:26 AM   #38 
     - Or the husband, you know. There are stay-at-home dads, and we qualify as dependents.  Robb   Apr-17-10 09:42 PM   #147 
  - To encourage the poor and working class to provide fodder for the war  Foo Fighter   Apr-17-10 12:25 AM   #35 
  - That's definitely the main reason. We are a resource. We are not born. We are grown nt  conspirator   Apr-17-10 09:09 AM   #98 
     - Yep.  Foo Fighter   Apr-18-10 12:20 AM   #157 
  - bill maher just asked that question.  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:26 AM   #37 
  - Incidentally, Bill Maher is an asshole.  Orrex   Apr-17-10 12:29 AM   #39 
     - +1  havocmom   Apr-17-10 11:44 PM   #156 
  - some friends of mine are using  DesertFlower   Apr-17-10 12:35 AM   #42 
  - Taxation: The People's Business  Toucano   Apr-17-10 12:44 AM   #43 
  - Because they taste like chicken?  Rincewind   Apr-17-10 12:51 AM   #46 
  - You might want to Google the term "long pig". n/t  Fumesucker   Apr-17-10 06:11 AM   #79 
  - I'd like to see that changed some. Maybe a bigger exemption,  brewens   Apr-17-10 01:33 AM   #48 
  - Another take on this which might get flamed  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 04:44 AM   #59 
  - just so we're clear....  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:48 AM   #60 
     - Yes from a macro standpoint  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 04:57 AM   #62 
        - I understand  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:04 AM   #66 
           - An interesting paper on this point (encouraging fertility)  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 05:19 AM   #68 
              - Can't wait to read it!  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:28 AM   #69 
                 - You are really taking this personally  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 05:43 AM   #72 
                    - And you are really taking this intellectually  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:49 AM   #74 
  - I like your idea  theHandpuppet   Apr-18-10 03:50 PM   #174 
  - I would imagine it's because the majority of voters are parents  Hippo_Tron   Apr-17-10 02:27 AM   #53 
  - because we were all kids at one time  JI7   Apr-17-10 02:28 AM   #54 
  - maybe because they have more mouths to feed?  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:18 AM   #57 
  - And everyone else should pay for their choice.  theHandpuppet   Apr-18-10 03:51 PM   #175 
     - No.  southlandshari   Apr-18-10 10:46 PM   #183 
  - kids have (mostly) a working life ahead of them, and therefore will pay taxes  miscsoc   Apr-17-10 04:51 AM   #61 
  - Population decline  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 04:59 AM   #63 
  - If all people are fungible  exboyfil   Apr-17-10 05:00 AM   #64 
     - Ok...nevermind  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:06 AM   #67 
     - immigrants take time to assimilate, people aren't fungible in a straightforward sense  miscsoc   Apr-17-10 05:52 AM   #75 
  - Because those kids are going to pay YOUR social security /nt  jberryhill   Apr-17-10 05:03 AM   #65 
  - Cause, if they can't figure out how to use birth control,  Pharlo   Apr-17-10 05:32 AM   #71 
  - I saw a GREAT sigline recently...  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 05:52 AM   #77 
  - Good question. When you consider they use and consume more  Vinca   Apr-17-10 05:52 AM   #76 
  - Yup I don't get it.  dkf   Apr-17-10 06:15 AM   #80 
  - Interesting  southlandshari   Apr-17-10 06:21 AM   #81 
  - Because it takes more out of your core income to raise 'em.  rucky   Apr-17-10 06:42 AM   #83 
  - It's a choice  GinaMaria   Apr-17-10 10:34 AM   #114 
     - It's about as much of a choice as where you work.  rucky   Apr-17-10 11:25 AM   #121 
        - BS. Your statement would have been true years ago  GinaMaria   Apr-18-10 01:35 PM   #166 
           - C'mon, those are extremes. The people with the greatest need for family planning  rucky   Apr-18-10 01:58 PM   #169 
  - Why do people who *don't pay any taxes* get tax credits for having kids?  zinnisking   Apr-17-10 06:51 AM   #84 
  - Talk about every single  pipoman   Apr-17-10 07:32 AM   #85 
  - I've known at least 2 welfare families just like that  Mimosa   Apr-17-10 10:37 AM   #115 
  - It's a vicious cycle, and encourages sloths to create more welfare kids.  zinnisking   Apr-17-10 10:01 PM   #151 
     - Oh good....  Dorian Gray   Apr-19-10 06:41 AM   #190 
  - The ignorance about welfare currently in this country is astounding.  ipaint   Apr-18-10 07:35 PM   #182 
     - Career welfare recipients don't know how much it costs to raise a child because everything is free.  zinnisking   Apr-19-10 02:46 AM   #184 
        - Welfare reform  ipaint   Apr-19-10 01:19 PM   #192 
  - Every person  pipoman   Apr-17-10 07:34 AM   #86 
  - there is a Child Tax Credit in addition to the deduction  fishwax   Apr-17-10 09:27 AM   #100 
     - Oh yea, you are right...I stand corrected  pipoman   Apr-17-10 01:06 PM   #122 
  - Why does the tax credit end once the kid turns 17? Why does social security stop  Riley18   Apr-17-10 07:56 AM   #87 
  - It is fair because the income of the family is distributed to all. n/t  TexasProgresive   Apr-17-10 08:03 AM   #88 
  - Then the TV family of 19+ probably gets the government to pay for them.  Historic NY   Apr-17-10 08:17 AM   #90 
  - To help ease the costs of raising them.  Klukie   Apr-17-10 08:22 AM   #91 
  - Because TPTB need more consumers in the future  TransitJohn   Apr-17-10 08:25 AM   #93 
  - Because  edhopper   Apr-17-10 08:26 AM   #94 
  - I have no issues with tax credits for children  tabbycat31   Apr-17-10 08:43 AM   #96 
  - Because taxation should not deprive people of the necessities of life.  Dr Morbius   Apr-17-10 09:00 AM   #97 
  - Because those kids will be your doctors and nurses someday  mainer   Apr-17-10 09:11 AM   #99 
  - I got a HUGE tax refund for getting married.  divvy   Apr-17-10 09:42 AM   #101 
  - Because they are future sources of revenue for the government.  hobbit709   Apr-17-10 09:44 AM   #103 
  - Because they are an investment and the govt has many mandates on parents (nt)  The Straight Story   Apr-17-10 09:49 AM   #107 
  - It truly does take a village.  Geek_Girl   Apr-17-10 09:54 AM   #109 
  - Kids cost money  HughMoran   Apr-17-10 09:54 AM   #110 
  - The same reason people with children get unlimited sick time at  WestSeattle2   Apr-17-10 10:48 AM   #117 
  - if you're envious of people who have to leave work to pick up a sick kid,  Bill McBlueState   Apr-17-10 09:32 PM   #146 
     - Envious?  WestSeattle2   Apr-18-10 01:50 PM   #168 
  - Because the government has a compelling interest in promoting procreation.  WeDidIt   Apr-17-10 10:51 AM   #118 
  - You keep a starved dog from attacking by throwing it a bone  Taitertots   Apr-17-10 01:06 PM   #123 
  - we pump more money into the economy..... . nt  seabeyond   Apr-17-10 02:01 PM   #127 
  - Because without children there is no future for this planet.  DCBob   Apr-17-10 02:03 PM   #128 
  - WITH children there is no future for this planet, which is screaming in pain from overpopulation  pitohui   Apr-17-10 07:01 PM   #135 
     - Any positive reference to involuntary sterilization makes you an asshole.  nemo137   Apr-17-10 08:58 PM   #143 
     - The planet will be destroyed with or without us on it  The Straight Story   Apr-18-10 03:10 PM   #172 
     - "...involuntary sterilization for those who have more then two..."  olegramps   Apr-19-10 05:55 AM   #187 
  - I should get a tax credit for NOT having kids...nt  and-justice-for-all   Apr-17-10 02:06 PM   #129 
  - Because it's the job of the populace  LWolf   Apr-17-10 02:11 PM   #131 
  - Because politicians can get lots of votes by giving people money.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-17-10 02:15 PM   #132 
  - In theory, because kids are an investment.  frustrated_lefty   Apr-17-10 02:19 PM   #133 
  - Because those kids..  sendero   Apr-17-10 07:12 PM   #138 
  - Like the old days on DU: the parent wars  bluestateguy   Apr-17-10 07:19 PM   #140 
  - Because having kids helps maintain the long-run tax base  Dreamer Tatum   Apr-17-10 07:19 PM   #141 
  - Because it makes for such GREAT discussion on the internets.  flvegan   Apr-17-10 07:34 PM   #142 
  - Because the right wing has been in charge most recently . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-17-10 09:49 PM   #148 
  - Not so much to encourage people to have kids but so that they have more resources for them  CreekDog   Apr-17-10 09:59 PM   #150 
  - Because people with children vote more reliably than those without.  TransitJohn   Apr-17-10 10:48 PM   #153 
  - Why do the rich get tax cuts?  eyeofdelphi   Apr-18-10 12:53 AM   #158 
  - Why not a tax credit for childless people who have pets?  meow2u3   Apr-18-10 07:20 AM   #160 
  - Because it is in society's interest to have kids.  tonysam   Apr-18-10 11:07 AM   #164 
  - People who make that lifestyle choice want to reward others who do the same.  RB TexLa   Apr-18-10 12:46 PM   #165 
  - so people like the Duggars can maximize their huge & selfish sucking of the taxpayers  ima_sinnic   Apr-18-10 02:12 PM   #170 
  - It costs money to raise them and they are potential members of the  treestar   Apr-18-10 04:31 PM   #180 
  - So we have more money to take them to restuarants... and on AIRPLANES  Warren DeMontague   Apr-19-10 03:42 AM   #185 
  - Perhaps the most equable solution is tax credits for three children.  olegramps   Apr-19-10 06:25 AM   #188 
  - Net gain to social security within 40 years. n/t  adamuu   Apr-19-10 06:43 AM   #191 
  - Because feeding the little carpet munchers cost money. n/t  cynatnite   Apr-19-10 10:06 PM   #195 
 

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