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Sat Apr-17-10 02:37 AM
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| 55. In order to change the constitution you'd need an issue that crosses ideological lines |
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There's just no way you're going to get a supermajority in Congress and the states on something that is only being pushed by one party. It's far easier to win by stacking the supreme and appeals courts with justices willing to legislate from the bench. The 9th circuit just told us that the phrase "Under God" is secular. Go figure.
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| -Why do people get a tax credits for having kids? |
Pryderi |
Apr-16-10 11:21 PM |
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Because those of us who spawn are much better than you are. |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-16-10 11:26 PM |
#1 |
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LOL just pour some gasoline on the fire why don'tcha? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Apr-16-10 11:27 PM |
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*Snarf* - I couldn't help it. I've spent the entire week at a govt. seminar. |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-16-10 11:40 PM |
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That sounds worse than some of the teacher conferences I attended... |
cherokeeprogressive |
Apr-16-10 11:45 PM |
#22 |
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lmao... you breeder elitist! lol ;) n/t |
iamthebandfanman |
Apr-17-10 05:30 AM |
#70 |
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see.. i was going to go more we are fuckin selfish assholes depleting..... |
seabeyond |
Apr-17-10 10:21 AM |
#113 |
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I think he's looking for an answer to a legitimate question... |
lame54 |
Apr-17-10 07:08 PM |
#136 |
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Yep. |
theHandpuppet |
Apr-18-10 03:42 PM |
#173 |
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when you have children, you are pumping more money into the economy..... that is a simple |
seabeyond |
Apr-19-10 06:26 AM |
#189 |
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Cuz Dem's Share |
Synnical |
Apr-16-10 11:26 PM |
#2 |
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Because we live in a country that despises childless people and likes to punish them. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-16-10 11:27 PM |
#3 |
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And endure the marriagew penalty? |
Gman2 |
Apr-16-10 11:29 PM |
#6 |
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You might want to fix your attempted Princess Bride mimic. |
HuckleB |
Apr-16-10 11:31 PM |
#12 |
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I am tha Dwed Pie-wut Wah-butts!! |
Iggo |
Apr-17-10 08:09 AM |
#89 |
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What marriage penalty? The made up one to keep people angry |
MattBaggins |
Apr-17-10 09:44 AM |
#104 |
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Actually, there was a marriage penalty |
Abq_Sarah |
Apr-17-10 02:09 PM |
#130 |
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And that marriage penalty (or bonus) depended on whether or not both spouses worked |
meow2u3 |
Apr-18-10 07:29 AM |
#161 |
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. |
HuckleB |
Apr-16-10 11:30 PM |
#8 |
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"...whatever expensive thing I decide to spend time on..." |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 04:26 AM |
#58 |
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you completely missed the point |
Skittles |
Apr-19-10 05:06 AM |
#186 |
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My only problem with your argument |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-17-10 05:55 AM |
#78 |
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If more Progressives had children and passed THEIR values |
MicaelS |
Apr-17-10 06:25 AM |
#82 |
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Yee Haw |
blueamy66 |
Apr-17-10 08:40 AM |
#95 |
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Married with two kids. |
MattBaggins |
Apr-17-10 09:44 AM |
#102 |
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Maybe its the same reason adults without children pay taxes for schools and other services. |
NYC_SKP |
Apr-16-10 11:28 PM |
#5 |
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That's my take. |
HuckleB |
Apr-16-10 11:34 PM |
#13 |
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i was a grandmother at 38. nt |
DesertFlower |
Apr-17-10 12:30 AM |
#40 |
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I don't have any little devils either, but I don't have any problems kicking in. |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Apr-17-10 08:23 AM |
#92 |
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Yep, I want well-fed and educated adults taking care of business when I'm no longer able... |
NYC_SKP |
Apr-17-10 10:42 AM |
#116 |
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Oh, Boo Boo! |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Apr-17-10 11:26 PM |
#154 |
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I have two kids |
MattBaggins |
Apr-17-10 09:47 AM |
#106 |
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+ 1 nt |
hack89 |
Apr-17-10 11:02 AM |
#119 |
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. |
bobbolink |
Apr-17-10 09:02 PM |
#144 |
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If they don't get educated we have no job pool. |
deaniac21 |
Apr-19-10 01:35 PM |
#193 |
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Why cant we single people get a tax credit for having twins in the jacuzzi? |
Initech |
Apr-16-10 11:29 PM |
#7 |
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Long term survival of the species? |
bemildred |
Apr-16-10 11:30 PM |
#9 |
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overpopulation is going to kill us |
lame54 |
Apr-17-10 07:11 PM |
#137 |
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No kids would kill us too. |
bemildred |
Apr-17-10 09:57 PM |
#149 |
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tax credits or no tax credits - there will be births... |
lame54 |
Apr-18-10 01:42 AM |
#159 |
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Well Dang then, we don't need to worry about anything killing us. nt |
bemildred |
Apr-18-10 08:26 AM |
#162 |
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Don't worry about it...Natural Disasters and Endless Wars will keep the population well in check |
KoKo |
Apr-18-10 04:14 PM |
#178 |
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We tend to perpetuate (actually over-perpetuate) without any tax advantage. |
Statistical |
Apr-18-10 04:04 PM |
#177 |
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You're buying reiki massages for billionaires, and this is your worry? |
Chulanowa |
Apr-16-10 11:31 PM |
#10 |
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^_^ |
bobbolink |
Apr-17-10 09:03 PM |
#145 |
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You can claim all warm bodies, that you |
Naturalist111 |
Apr-16-10 11:31 PM |
#11 |
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Way to bring logic to the thread. |
HuckleB |
Apr-16-10 11:35 PM |
#14 |
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I rarely do that. I figure people can at least help themselves |
Naturalist111 |
Apr-16-10 11:55 PM |
#28 |
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If that were true I could claim my dog. |
undeterred |
Apr-17-10 01:15 PM |
#124 |
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LOL only people! |
Naturalist111 |
Apr-17-10 06:57 PM |
#134 |
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You said "warm bodies" so I thought maybe |
undeterred |
Apr-17-10 07:15 PM |
#139 |
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A farmer or a Rancher does why shouldn't you? |
Naturalist111 |
Apr-17-10 10:18 PM |
#152 |
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stock animals are NOT pets, they are revenue producing assets |
havocmom |
Apr-17-10 11:41 PM |
#155 |
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I am glad you said that. |
Naturalist111 |
Apr-19-10 10:03 PM |
#194 |
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So that I can get rich with those tax credits. |
Vickers |
Apr-16-10 11:36 PM |
#15 |
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+1 |
MrsMatt |
Apr-18-10 05:37 PM |
#181 |
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Because raising the next generation costs far more then any tax credit |
Tailormyst |
Apr-16-10 11:38 PM |
#16 |
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Because raising children pushes you 99% of the way towards wanting to murder non-parents... |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Apr-16-10 11:38 PM |
#17 |
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exactly. |
DesertFlower |
Apr-17-10 12:32 AM |
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I'd rather help support other people's kids than their fucking churches! |
katandmoon |
Apr-16-10 11:41 PM |
#19 |
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You win the POST OF THE DAY AWARD! |
HuckleB |
Apr-16-10 11:42 PM |
#20 |
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Thanks! :) |
katandmoon |
Apr-17-10 12:46 AM |
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The church tax exemption is a function of seperation of church/state |
yodoobo |
Apr-16-10 11:51 PM |
#27 |
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Please explain how allowing churches to have special privileges helps keep the divide in place. |
HuckleB |
Apr-17-10 12:17 AM |
#32 |
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There is no linkage between the 1st amendment and tax exempt status |
MajorChode |
Apr-17-10 01:12 AM |
#47 |
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you said it |
yodoobo |
Apr-17-10 02:00 AM |
#49 |
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Rewriting the constitution is a lot harder than changing the tax code |
MajorChode |
Apr-17-10 02:09 AM |
#50 |
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well i agree it won't change |
yodoobo |
Apr-17-10 02:14 AM |
#52 |
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In order to change the constitution you'd need an issue that crosses ideological lines |
MajorChode |
Apr-17-10 02:37 AM |
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Indeed. |
HuckleB |
Apr-17-10 10:03 AM |
#112 |
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Because religious organizations are specifically listed in 501(c)(3) |
MajorChode |
Apr-17-10 01:55 PM |
#125 |
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What's that got to do with paying taxes for the services they receive? |
katandmoon |
Apr-17-10 12:46 AM |
#44 |
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nothing. |
yodoobo |
Apr-17-10 02:10 AM |
#51 |
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It's not working. |
Jamastiene |
Apr-17-10 03:44 AM |
#56 |
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can you tell the churches to stay out of the government then because they sure seem to |
ejpoeta |
Apr-17-10 05:43 AM |
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Jefferson and Madison didn't think so |
hobbit709 |
Apr-17-10 09:45 AM |
#105 |
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Churches already have cabinet level posistions. |
MattBaggins |
Apr-17-10 09:50 AM |
#108 |
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Churches don't pay property tax... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Apr-18-10 03:00 PM |
#171 |
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You can have anything you want |
yodoobo |
Apr-18-10 04:01 PM |
#176 |
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I don't even think... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Apr-18-10 04:28 PM |
#179 |
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+ 100 brazillion |
madmom |
Apr-17-10 10:00 AM |
#111 |
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This looks like a hit and run job. |
HuckleB |
Apr-16-10 11:44 PM |
#21 |
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+1 |
Toucano |
Apr-16-10 11:46 PM |
#23 |
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kids are expensive |
yodoobo |
Apr-16-10 11:46 PM |
#24 |
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We have a winner! |
MzShellG |
Apr-17-10 11:15 AM |
#120 |
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All tax credits need to go away. ALL OF THEM. |
Fading Captain |
Apr-16-10 11:47 PM |
#25 |
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Steve Forbes, is that you? n/t |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Apr-17-10 12:25 AM |
#36 |
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Why do all tax credits need to go away? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Apr-17-10 02:00 PM |
#126 |
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Why should the government encourage or discourage behaviour |
Fading Captain |
Apr-18-10 11:01 AM |
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I don't think very many people have kids for tax reasons, so I don't |
ZombieHorde |
Apr-18-10 01:46 PM |
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Because having a child is the quickest way to drop below the poverty line... |
Ozymanithrax |
Apr-16-10 11:47 PM |
#26 |
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Because they're an enormous expense. |
LeftyMom |
Apr-16-10 11:58 PM |
#29 |
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Get 'em jobs, or ten! |
HuckleB |
Apr-17-10 12:12 AM |
#30 |
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I love the comment somebody made: |
LeftyMom |
Apr-17-10 12:14 AM |
#31 |
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If only I hadn't been so durned lazy! |
HuckleB |
Apr-17-10 12:17 AM |
#33 |
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They get tax credits for having |
drmeow |
Apr-17-10 12:23 AM |
#34 |
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Yep! You can claim the wife if she doesn't work. |
Naturalist111 |
Apr-17-10 12:26 AM |
#38 |
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Or the husband, you know. There are stay-at-home dads, and we qualify as dependents. |
Robb |
Apr-17-10 09:42 PM |
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To encourage the poor and working class to provide fodder for the war |
Foo Fighter |
Apr-17-10 12:25 AM |
#35 |
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That's definitely the main reason. We are a resource. We are not born. We are grown nt |
conspirator |
Apr-17-10 09:09 AM |
#98 |
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Yep. |
Foo Fighter |
Apr-18-10 12:20 AM |
#157 |
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bill maher just asked that question. |
DesertFlower |
Apr-17-10 12:26 AM |
#37 |
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Incidentally, Bill Maher is an asshole. |
Orrex |
Apr-17-10 12:29 AM |
#39 |
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+1 |
havocmom |
Apr-17-10 11:44 PM |
#156 |
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some friends of mine are using |
DesertFlower |
Apr-17-10 12:35 AM |
#42 |
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Taxation: The People's Business |
Toucano |
Apr-17-10 12:44 AM |
#43 |
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Because they taste like chicken? |
Rincewind |
Apr-17-10 12:51 AM |
#46 |
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You might want to Google the term "long pig". n/t |
Fumesucker |
Apr-17-10 06:11 AM |
#79 |
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I'd like to see that changed some. Maybe a bigger exemption, |
brewens |
Apr-17-10 01:33 AM |
#48 |
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Another take on this which might get flamed |
exboyfil |
Apr-17-10 04:44 AM |
#59 |
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just so we're clear.... |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 04:48 AM |
#60 |
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Yes from a macro standpoint |
exboyfil |
Apr-17-10 04:57 AM |
#62 |
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I understand |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 05:04 AM |
#66 |
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An interesting paper on this point (encouraging fertility) |
exboyfil |
Apr-17-10 05:19 AM |
#68 |
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Can't wait to read it! |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 05:28 AM |
#69 |
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You are really taking this personally |
exboyfil |
Apr-17-10 05:43 AM |
#72 |
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And you are really taking this intellectually |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 05:49 AM |
#74 |
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I like your idea |
theHandpuppet |
Apr-18-10 03:50 PM |
#174 |
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I would imagine it's because the majority of voters are parents |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-17-10 02:27 AM |
#53 |
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because we were all kids at one time |
JI7 |
Apr-17-10 02:28 AM |
#54 |
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maybe because they have more mouths to feed? |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 04:18 AM |
#57 |
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And everyone else should pay for their choice. |
theHandpuppet |
Apr-18-10 03:51 PM |
#175 |
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No. |
southlandshari |
Apr-18-10 10:46 PM |
#183 |
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kids have (mostly) a working life ahead of them, and therefore will pay taxes |
miscsoc |
Apr-17-10 04:51 AM |
#61 |
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Population decline |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 04:59 AM |
#63 |
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If all people are fungible |
exboyfil |
Apr-17-10 05:00 AM |
#64 |
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Ok...nevermind |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 05:06 AM |
#67 |
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immigrants take time to assimilate, people aren't fungible in a straightforward sense |
miscsoc |
Apr-17-10 05:52 AM |
#75 |
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Because those kids are going to pay YOUR social security /nt |
jberryhill |
Apr-17-10 05:03 AM |
#65 |
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Cause, if they can't figure out how to use birth control, |
Pharlo |
Apr-17-10 05:32 AM |
#71 |
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I saw a GREAT sigline recently... |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 05:52 AM |
#77 |
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Good question. When you consider they use and consume more |
Vinca |
Apr-17-10 05:52 AM |
#76 |
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Yup I don't get it. |
dkf |
Apr-17-10 06:15 AM |
#80 |
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Interesting |
southlandshari |
Apr-17-10 06:21 AM |
#81 |
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Because it takes more out of your core income to raise 'em. |
rucky |
Apr-17-10 06:42 AM |
#83 |
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It's a choice |
GinaMaria |
Apr-17-10 10:34 AM |
#114 |
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It's about as much of a choice as where you work. |
rucky |
Apr-17-10 11:25 AM |
#121 |
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BS. Your statement would have been true years ago |
GinaMaria |
Apr-18-10 01:35 PM |
#166 |
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C'mon, those are extremes. The people with the greatest need for family planning |
rucky |
Apr-18-10 01:58 PM |
#169 |
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Why do people who *don't pay any taxes* get tax credits for having kids? |
zinnisking |
Apr-17-10 06:51 AM |
#84 |
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Talk about every single |
pipoman |
Apr-17-10 07:32 AM |
#85 |
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I've known at least 2 welfare families just like that |
Mimosa |
Apr-17-10 10:37 AM |
#115 |
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It's a vicious cycle, and encourages sloths to create more welfare kids. |
zinnisking |
Apr-17-10 10:01 PM |
#151 |
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Oh good.... |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-19-10 06:41 AM |
#190 |
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The ignorance about welfare currently in this country is astounding. |
ipaint |
Apr-18-10 07:35 PM |
#182 |
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Career welfare recipients don't know how much it costs to raise a child because everything is free. |
zinnisking |
Apr-19-10 02:46 AM |
#184 |
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Welfare reform |
ipaint |
Apr-19-10 01:19 PM |
#192 |
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Every person |
pipoman |
Apr-17-10 07:34 AM |
#86 |
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there is a Child Tax Credit in addition to the deduction |
fishwax |
Apr-17-10 09:27 AM |
#100 |
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Oh yea, you are right...I stand corrected |
pipoman |
Apr-17-10 01:06 PM |
#122 |
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Why does the tax credit end once the kid turns 17? Why does social security stop |
Riley18 |
Apr-17-10 07:56 AM |
#87 |
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It is fair because the income of the family is distributed to all. n/t |
TexasProgresive |
Apr-17-10 08:03 AM |
#88 |
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Then the TV family of 19+ probably gets the government to pay for them. |
Historic NY |
Apr-17-10 08:17 AM |
#90 |
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To help ease the costs of raising them. |
Klukie |
Apr-17-10 08:22 AM |
#91 |
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Because TPTB need more consumers in the future |
TransitJohn |
Apr-17-10 08:25 AM |
#93 |
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Because |
edhopper |
Apr-17-10 08:26 AM |
#94 |
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I have no issues with tax credits for children |
tabbycat31 |
Apr-17-10 08:43 AM |
#96 |
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Because taxation should not deprive people of the necessities of life. |
Dr Morbius |
Apr-17-10 09:00 AM |
#97 |
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Because those kids will be your doctors and nurses someday |
mainer |
Apr-17-10 09:11 AM |
#99 |
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I got a HUGE tax refund for getting married. |
divvy |
Apr-17-10 09:42 AM |
#101 |
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Because they are future sources of revenue for the government. |
hobbit709 |
Apr-17-10 09:44 AM |
#103 |
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Because they are an investment and the govt has many mandates on parents (nt) |
The Straight Story |
Apr-17-10 09:49 AM |
#107 |
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It truly does take a village. |
Geek_Girl |
Apr-17-10 09:54 AM |
#109 |
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Kids cost money |
HughMoran |
Apr-17-10 09:54 AM |
#110 |
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The same reason people with children get unlimited sick time at |
WestSeattle2 |
Apr-17-10 10:48 AM |
#117 |
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if you're envious of people who have to leave work to pick up a sick kid, |
Bill McBlueState |
Apr-17-10 09:32 PM |
#146 |
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Envious? |
WestSeattle2 |
Apr-18-10 01:50 PM |
#168 |
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Because the government has a compelling interest in promoting procreation. |
WeDidIt |
Apr-17-10 10:51 AM |
#118 |
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You keep a starved dog from attacking by throwing it a bone |
Taitertots |
Apr-17-10 01:06 PM |
#123 |
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we pump more money into the economy..... . nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-17-10 02:01 PM |
#127 |
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Because without children there is no future for this planet. |
DCBob |
Apr-17-10 02:03 PM |
#128 |
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WITH children there is no future for this planet, which is screaming in pain from overpopulation |
pitohui |
Apr-17-10 07:01 PM |
#135 |
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Any positive reference to involuntary sterilization makes you an asshole. |
nemo137 |
Apr-17-10 08:58 PM |
#143 |
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The planet will be destroyed with or without us on it |
The Straight Story |
Apr-18-10 03:10 PM |
#172 |
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"...involuntary sterilization for those who have more then two..." |
olegramps |
Apr-19-10 05:55 AM |
#187 |
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I should get a tax credit for NOT having kids...nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Apr-17-10 02:06 PM |
#129 |
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Because it's the job of the populace |
LWolf |
Apr-17-10 02:11 PM |
#131 |
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Because politicians can get lots of votes by giving people money. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-17-10 02:15 PM |
#132 |
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In theory, because kids are an investment. |
frustrated_lefty |
Apr-17-10 02:19 PM |
#133 |
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Because those kids.. |
sendero |
Apr-17-10 07:12 PM |
#138 |
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Like the old days on DU: the parent wars |
bluestateguy |
Apr-17-10 07:19 PM |
#140 |
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Because having kids helps maintain the long-run tax base |
Dreamer Tatum |
Apr-17-10 07:19 PM |
#141 |
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Because it makes for such GREAT discussion on the internets. |
flvegan |
Apr-17-10 07:34 PM |
#142 |
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Because the right wing has been in charge most recently . . . |
defendandprotect |
Apr-17-10 09:49 PM |
#148 |
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Not so much to encourage people to have kids but so that they have more resources for them |
CreekDog |
Apr-17-10 09:59 PM |
#150 |
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Because people with children vote more reliably than those without. |
TransitJohn |
Apr-17-10 10:48 PM |
#153 |
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Why do the rich get tax cuts? |
eyeofdelphi |
Apr-18-10 12:53 AM |
#158 |
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Why not a tax credit for childless people who have pets? |
meow2u3 |
Apr-18-10 07:20 AM |
#160 |
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Because it is in society's interest to have kids. |
tonysam |
Apr-18-10 11:07 AM |
#164 |
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People who make that lifestyle choice want to reward others who do the same. |
RB TexLa |
Apr-18-10 12:46 PM |
#165 |
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so people like the Duggars can maximize their huge & selfish sucking of the taxpayers |
ima_sinnic |
Apr-18-10 02:12 PM |
#170 |
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It costs money to raise them and they are potential members of the |
treestar |
Apr-18-10 04:31 PM |
#180 |
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So we have more money to take them to restuarants... and on AIRPLANES |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-19-10 03:42 AM |
#185 |
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Perhaps the most equable solution is tax credits for three children. |
olegramps |
Apr-19-10 06:25 AM |
#188 |
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Net gain to social security within 40 years. n/t |
adamuu |
Apr-19-10 06:43 AM |
#191 |
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Because feeding the little carpet munchers cost money. n/t |
cynatnite |
Apr-19-10 10:06 PM |
#195 |
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