| 152. On what basis do I charge you with "self-interest?" |
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Hannah, one need only to read your vociferous, repeated anti-Obama, anti-Duncan posts defending public school systems to understand that you have a self-interest.
Is it monetary? No. It's deeper, and more personal. It's about pride--you seem to pride yourself on being knowledgeable, and on being a crusader against the "corporatist" approach you see the Department of Education taking.
That's all fine, well, and good, but I suggest that here, you've chosen the wrong side, and instead of backing down, you seem all the more invested in defending your judgment. That is what I mean about self-interest---you cannot accept that you might be wrong--and that every single bit of evidence in the public domain increasingly suggests that you are.
If you are wrong about Lower Merion, it does call your other defenses and judgments into question, does it not?
For me, it certainly has. I do not think it is merely coincidental that you, and others, who have loudly defended this school district have also been the same posters who have repeatedly and loudly posted anti-Obama threads regarding Department of Education reforms.
Your defense of LMSD hasn't helped your larger cause, IMHO. But I do understand your personal investment.
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| -Lower Merion students' laptop spy cams "wound up secretly capturing thousands of images" |
Papa Boule |
Apr-16-10 01:53 AM |
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There are severmal DUers who owe a MAJOR apology for their behavior on this topic n/t |
Occulus |
Apr-16-10 01:59 AM |
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that if I were you... n/t |
kas125 |
Apr-16-10 02:01 AM |
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Nor I. But it's comforting to know that Big Brother loves us to pieces. nt |
Hekate |
Apr-16-10 02:48 AM |
#6 |
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This is exactly |
dotymed |
Apr-16-10 07:38 PM |
#92 |
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have some patience, their still working on their Duke apologies, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-16-10 04:56 AM |
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indeed... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Apr-16-10 04:56 AM |
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You forgot the more recent Toyota apologies |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-16-10 09:50 PM |
#98 |
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why's that? there are several DUers who continue to mistake allegations for proven fact. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 03:08 AM |
#9 |
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Then you are OK with this? |
tkmorris |
Apr-16-10 04:03 AM |
#15 |
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and many DUers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 04:16 AM |
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PLEASE read the posted article and think about the employees |
old mark |
Apr-16-10 05:26 AM |
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i read the article, & i repeat: some duers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 05:35 AM |
#22 |
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Here we go again... |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 06:57 AM |
#27 |
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My thoughts too...nt |
SidDithers |
Apr-16-10 07:12 AM |
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The Philadelphia Daily News published one of the pictures of a kid sleeping. |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 01:49 PM |
#64 |
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Notice her sudden crickets |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 05:23 PM |
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Name removed |
Apr-16-10 05:25 PM |
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Yes, indeed, she is, isn't she? |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 09:47 PM |
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yes, it's too bad i can't be at DU 24/7. but you'll find that i did indeed respond, though |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:55 AM |
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Please explain why the school would have pictures |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:23 AM |
#142 |
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what conclusion do you draw from that picture? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:49 AM |
#104 |
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The article PROVES the conclusions. |
Ken Burch |
Apr-16-10 07:56 PM |
#94 |
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it does nothing of the sort. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:57 AM |
#107 |
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HB, I have been watching Philly news stations all morning carrying this story- emails |
old mark |
Apr-17-10 07:41 AM |
#135 |
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what are you, Du's Mom? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:17 PM |
#43 |
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no, are you? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:58 AM |
#108 |
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i want to know how many people knew about this. sounds like more than the 1 0r 2 |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:16 PM |
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And one who continues to insist actual admissions are unfounded allegations. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-17-10 01:34 AM |
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I'll respond to just one of your "admissions" because it can be answered quickly without looking |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:11 AM |
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Is there a reason you're so obsessed with minimizing this? |
Ken Burch |
Apr-17-10 03:19 AM |
#117 |
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Is there some reason you're so obsessed with convicting before trial on the basis of "evidence" |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:43 AM |
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Because admitting this is wrong is not something you need a conviction to prove |
CreekDog |
Apr-17-10 02:45 PM |
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you seem to be confused. 1) to say "this" is wrong, you need to know what "this" is. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 01:25 PM |
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How about simply admit that what took place was so utterly inexcusable,... |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-18-10 09:39 PM |
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It implied by ommision that only a limited number of images existed. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-17-10 02:23 PM |
#158 |
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mentioned numerous times in numerous articles since the beginning of this story. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 12:32 PM |
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But how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? |
CreekDog |
Apr-17-10 02:43 PM |
#162 |
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the one who likes fava beans & chiant? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:15 PM |
#41 |
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And just as some of us suspected, it was sordid spying. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-16-10 02:00 AM |
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Although I think this webcam thing was (stupidly) |
frustrated_lefty |
Apr-16-10 08:24 AM |
#35 |
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"reasonable intentions" |
pocoloco |
Apr-16-10 09:31 PM |
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They didn't try using terrorism as an excuse 'cuz they assumed teh fear of DRUGZZzzzz!!! was enough. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-16-10 02:29 AM |
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"I know, I love it" - she needs put in jail for a long period of time |
Divine Discontent |
Apr-16-10 02:40 AM |
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needs put in jail for a long period of time |
saigon68 |
Apr-16-10 06:42 AM |
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has it ever occurred to you that your conclusions are based on partial information? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:07 AM |
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"including pictures of Blake partially undressed..." |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 02:57 AM |
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So this server contains child pornography! |
jmowreader |
Apr-16-10 07:16 AM |
#31 |
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Yet if these kids had sent the same photos by cell phone they |
Love Bug |
Apr-16-10 08:16 AM |
#34 |
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I think I'll kick this before I go to bed. |
Occulus |
Apr-16-10 03:02 AM |
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Yes it is |
etherealtruth |
Apr-16-10 04:53 PM |
#83 |
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But the system was only used 42 times |
Citizen Worker |
Apr-16-10 03:13 AM |
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So they only spied on stolen laptops? |
Mojeoux |
Apr-16-10 03:18 AM |
#11 |
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Nope. |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 09:23 AM |
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teachers also reported THEIR laptops had the camera light go on |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:22 PM |
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teachers also reported THEIR laptops had the camera light go on |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:22 PM |
#46 |
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teachers? |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 12:34 PM |
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here, w/ links, posted by a duer who lives in the district & whose name escapes me at the moment. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:59 PM |
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thanks |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 01:33 PM |
#61 |
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onen of 2 things have happened snce then: |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 01:47 PM |
#63 |
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they'd be in the same class action already running |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 01:59 PM |
#65 |
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it hasn't yet been certified as a class action, so far as i've seen reported. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:40 AM |
#113 |
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it would be far cheaper for the school if it's a class action |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-17-10 05:57 AM |
#132 |
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the information in the post you responded to indicated that as of late march, it hadn't been |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 06:37 AM |
#133 |
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The teachers spied on are the next bombshell. |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 02:07 PM |
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I wondered - I always lived in this area |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 02:14 PM |
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going public would protect them, and it he union doesn't go ballistic |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 03:00 PM |
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Here's one, but w/o links |
bananas |
Apr-16-10 02:30 PM |
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yes, if you actually read the article, it still is. 42 computers taking a picture every 15 minutes. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 03:30 AM |
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Your P.O.V. is a disgrace... |
PCIntern |
Apr-16-10 05:28 AM |
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Apr-16-10 05:53 AM |
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Her POV is self-interest. No less disgraceful IMHO. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 12:50 PM |
#57 |
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self-interest? how's that? i don't live there, don't work there, & don't work in education, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:47 AM |
#103 |
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On what basis do I charge you with "self-interest?" |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 12:39 PM |
#152 |
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oh, brother. i.e., there's no "self-interest" involved except your interest in amateur psychology. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 11:09 PM |
#176 |
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+1 |
Forkboy |
Apr-18-10 12:32 AM |
#177 |
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+1 |
JTFrog |
Apr-17-10 12:45 PM |
#153 |
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It turned out to be so much worse than you reported originally! |
Generic Other |
Apr-16-10 02:26 PM |
#70 |
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I think your protestations are fertilizer.... |
MicaelS |
Apr-16-10 08:08 AM |
#33 |
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what conclusion do you draw from these facts? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:53 AM |
#105 |
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It indicates she believed a truthful answer to all of those questions would incriminate her |
Occulus |
Apr-17-10 03:03 AM |
#115 |
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Perhaps it "looks" that way because the article reports the claims of the plantiffs' lawyer. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:21 AM |
#118 |
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You broke DU rules by quoting that much of the article |
Occulus |
Apr-17-10 03:52 AM |
#121 |
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i have corrected my egregious violation of du rules. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:04 AM |
#123 |
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Ms. Cafiero, is that you? nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 07:46 AM |
#137 |
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Is there no misbehavior you will not countenance? |
MineralMan |
Apr-16-10 09:04 AM |
#36 |
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+1 |
Ignis |
Apr-16-10 01:06 PM |
#59 |
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which misbehavior is it that you believe i "countenance"? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:17 AM |
#110 |
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I haven't seen you even suggest that there was anything wrong |
MineralMan |
Apr-17-10 07:40 PM |
#168 |
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your remarks imply that you already know "what happened". i believe that's what the preliminary |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 12:51 PM |
#180 |
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Still NOT OKAY!!! |
Matariki |
Apr-16-10 12:22 PM |
#47 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-16-10 12:23 PM |
#48 |
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wow, does this spying fondly remind you of mother russia or something comrade bell? |
dionysus |
Apr-16-10 12:24 PM |
#49 |
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And again, one wonders why. |
Occulus |
Apr-16-10 01:23 PM |
#60 |
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only if you believe "evidence" consists of allegations made by one party without |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:37 AM |
#127 |
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gee, unwarranted conclusions, false accusations, & red-baiting -- all in two sentences. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:26 AM |
#111 |
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You DO realize that the pictures of the kids sleeping |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 03:57 PM |
#76 |
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So what number is an acceptable number for children spied on? |
EOTE |
Apr-19-10 09:20 AM |
#188 |
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except they lied about that |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 03:40 AM |
#13 |
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female teachers complained about their school-issued laptops, as well. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:25 PM |
#50 |
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Wanna buy a bridge? |
eShirl |
Apr-16-10 06:37 AM |
#25 |
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42 thousand maybe. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:19 PM |
#45 |
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PDF doc - plaintiffs Motion for Sanctions |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 03:58 AM |
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Thx for that link n/t |
Papa Boule |
Apr-16-10 10:34 AM |
#39 |
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you're welcome |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 12:31 PM |
#53 |
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Carol sounds like a turd, but you can't plead the 5th and then answer some questions. |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-16-10 09:55 PM |
#99 |
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"..wound up..." - what passive panguage |
Cal Carpenter |
Apr-16-10 05:18 AM |
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No kidding. nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 09:27 PM |
#95 |
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K & R |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 06:27 AM |
#24 |
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The school's original defense is shattered now. |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 07:05 AM |
#28 |
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+1 ... idiots will still side w/the school irregardless |
Echo In Light |
Apr-16-10 09:26 AM |
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Original LIES, I think you meant to write. :-) |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:12 PM |
#79 |
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I stand corrected. nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 07:40 PM |
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"apparently now it is clear that they were turning on the cams for any reason" |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:45 AM |
#114 |
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They have admitted they turned on the cams for LATE FEE PAYMENT, Hannah. |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 07:54 AM |
#138 |
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She seems to be assiduously avoiding that particular |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:42 AM |
#144 |
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it's not clear what "they admitted," nor does that = "for any reason," |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:10 PM |
#157 |
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What DO you say about the illegally obtained photos in the kids' bedrooms, then, Hannah? |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 02:27 PM |
#159 |
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I forget, was the terms of this pictorial tracking disclosed in writing and was the activation |
aikoaiko |
Apr-16-10 07:16 AM |
#30 |
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Nope. No disclosure to families. |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 07:22 AM |
#32 |
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NO! And they LIED to student s who asked about it. Repeatedly, |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:27 PM |
#51 |
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They also screenshot IMs---no policy on that. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 12:32 PM |
#54 |
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No, and no. THERE IS NO DEFENSE. THE SCHOOL PERSONNEL WERE VOYEURS. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:13 PM |
#80 |
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Wow! |
Spazito |
Apr-16-10 12:03 PM |
#40 |
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Oh yeah right - "The Laptops" did it |
Matariki |
Apr-16-10 12:17 PM |
#44 |
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The school also screenshot IM communications. So that blows the |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 12:30 PM |
#52 |
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Throw everyone of those asshats in jail for a long, long time |
WolverineDG |
Apr-16-10 12:44 PM |
#56 |
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i'm getting the feeling this is a test case for the rest of us |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-16-10 01:37 PM |
#62 |
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And how many other school districts have been doing this |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 02:00 PM |
#66 |
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probably loads of them |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 02:04 PM |
#67 |
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Workplaces probably... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-10 03:41 PM |
#75 |
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Sorry to tell you this. That fight's been fought and lost. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-16-10 10:01 PM |
#101 |
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What about children, who are legally unable to enter into any contract? |
Occulus |
Apr-17-10 03:56 AM |
#122 |
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I have no idea how this was argued at the time. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-17-10 08:37 AM |
#140 |
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What makes you think there are some who aren't |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 04:00 PM |
#77 |
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Wow |
colbertforpresident |
Apr-16-10 03:17 PM |
#73 |
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Many criminals are "nice" to the world beyond their victims. She's a creepy, lying voyeur. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:16 PM |
#81 |
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Mandracchia also took issue with Haltzman's use of district e-mail excerpts |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:18 AM |
#126 |
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Everyone involved should be sued beyond repair... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-10 03:24 PM |
#74 |
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Don't know the laws in this state |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-16-10 09:57 PM |
#100 |
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Could these administrators be sued personally? |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-17-10 11:00 AM |
#148 |
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I'd like to hear from the DU school-defenders right about now. It's called "SPYING." |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:11 PM |
#78 |
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**UPDATE*** "Substantial number" of webcam photos recovered |
Papa Boule |
Apr-16-10 04:45 PM |
#82 |
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could get dangerous. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 05:01 PM |
#84 |
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What I don't understand is how anyone can defend the actions. |
Rex |
Apr-16-10 05:10 PM |
#85 |
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you mean the disruptor form lala land? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-17-10 06:38 PM |
#166 |
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Some not only love Big Brother (or Sister), but will defend them here. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-20-10 02:14 PM |
#189 |
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oh, this is just RICH... |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 06:22 PM |
#89 |
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During that process the privacy of all students will be strongly protected |
etherealtruth |
Apr-16-10 06:50 PM |
#90 |
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Based upon my experiences with school systems. |
Grand Taurean |
Apr-16-10 05:14 PM |
#86 |
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Don't think for one minute that private schools are or would be |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:45 AM |
#145 |
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I agree. My brother attended a private high school and the kids were much worse |
Grand Taurean |
Apr-17-10 10:17 PM |
#173 |
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this outcome was 100% predictable |
dem mba |
Apr-16-10 07:17 PM |
#91 |
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"secretly" ??? Seemed intentional to me. n/t |
Vickers |
Apr-17-10 02:27 AM |
#112 |
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inquirer has full text of emails: |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:49 AM |
#120 |
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Doesn't matter... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 04:13 AM |
#124 |
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that's not the issue the case filed turns on, so i'm not sure which case you're referring to |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:15 AM |
#125 |
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The whole thing... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 05:22 AM |
#128 |
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no matter how big you type it & how many names you call me, the case |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 05:40 AM |
#129 |
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You are either of low IQ or are a deliberate misanthrope... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 05:47 AM |
#130 |
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the fact that cameras were in your home has no bearing as to *what the lawsuit says*. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 05:53 AM |
#131 |
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Hannah... |
trumad |
Apr-17-10 06:53 AM |
#134 |
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Ms. Cafiero |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 07:42 AM |
#136 |
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Since it isn't on the WeirdS**tWebSite then it can't be true! |
whistler162 |
Apr-17-10 09:42 AM |
#141 |
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Who gives a flying eff what You're talking about? |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 08:07 AM |
#139 |
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Ok - I'll bite - say you are 100% right about the case - what do you think about the cameras though? |
The Straight Story |
Apr-17-10 10:27 AM |
#143 |
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i've already said what i think about that, several times. no, i don't think schools should |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 01:06 PM |
#182 |
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OK, then. How about you go to your employer on Monday |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:49 AM |
#146 |
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You won't get an answer,,, |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 10:53 AM |
#147 |
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i've never said anything that would in any way suggest i thought it was a good idea for schools |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 01:08 PM |
#183 |
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No, it's not unwarranted at all. |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-18-10 05:48 PM |
#185 |
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+1 |
woo me with science |
Apr-18-10 06:06 PM |
#186 |
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So, when *is* the chocolate ration going to be increased again? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-20-10 02:41 PM |
#190 |
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"are a deliberate misanthrope" Gotta be the former-even this msanthrope can't support the district. |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 12:07 PM |
#150 |
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! |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 12:14 PM |
#151 |
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No tarnish!!! I'm glad for the opportunity to defend misanthropes everywhere! n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 12:52 PM |
#154 |
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Hannah--look at the article you cited. It blows your own points out of the water. |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 01:15 PM |
#155 |
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i asked for some evidence the case had been certified by the judge as a class action, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:06 PM |
#156 |
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You have no problem with that system? |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 02:36 PM |
#161 |
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I didn't say anything about class certification. You mixed me up with |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 06:34 PM |
#164 |
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I didn't write of class certification. You are mixing me up with another poster. |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 06:36 PM |
#165 |
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Just made CNN again a few minutes ago... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 11:11 AM |
#149 |
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I'm glad to hear it's making the major news networks now. nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-18-10 08:11 AM |
#178 |
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Where can I download the pictures of Teenage Girls? |
divvy |
Apr-17-10 02:31 PM |
#160 |
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Well, hopefully if this ever happens again at any other school anywhere. |
Withywindle |
Apr-17-10 07:38 PM |
#167 |
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It is happening at other schools. |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 09:51 PM |
#169 |
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Un-fucking-believable. |
Withywindle |
Apr-17-10 10:05 PM |
#170 |
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r- |
defendandprotect |
Apr-17-10 10:11 PM |
#171 |
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Based upon my experiences with school systems. |
Grand Taurean |
Apr-17-10 10:16 PM |
#172 |
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Schools today america tomarrow |
MkapX |
Apr-17-10 10:29 PM |
#174 |
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laptops? |
MkapX |
Apr-17-10 10:35 PM |
#175 |
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This makes me want to vomit. |
Lucian |
Apr-18-10 12:58 PM |
#181 |