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71. Here's one, but w/o links
"A reliable source has stated to yours truly that School District computers' IN THE POSSESSION OF FACULTY MEMBERS ALSO HAD GREEN LIGHTS COME ON PERIODICALLY, indicating that the webcam was activated AND, strangely, this occurrence was limited to women, to the best of the source's knowledge."
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  -Lower Merion students' laptop spy cams "wound up secretly capturing thousands of images" Papa Boule  Apr-16-10 01:53 AM   #0 
  - There are severmal DUers who owe a MAJOR apology for their behavior on this topic n/t  Occulus   Apr-16-10 01:59 AM   #1 
  - I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that if I were you... n/t  kas125   Apr-16-10 02:01 AM   #3 
  - Nor I. But it's comforting to know that Big Brother loves us to pieces. nt  Hekate   Apr-16-10 02:48 AM   #6 
  - This is exactly  dotymed   Apr-16-10 07:38 PM   #92 
  - have some patience, their still working on their Duke apologies,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-16-10 04:56 AM   #17 
     - indeed...  ProdigalJunkMail   Apr-16-10 04:56 AM   #18 
     - You forgot the more recent Toyota apologies  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-16-10 09:50 PM   #98 
  - why's that? there are several DUers who continue to mistake allegations for proven fact.  Hannah Bell   Apr-16-10 03:08 AM   #9 
  - Then you are OK with this?  tkmorris   Apr-16-10 04:03 AM   #15 
  - and many DUers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions.  Hannah Bell   Apr-16-10 04:16 AM   #16 
  - PLEASE read the posted article and think about the employees  old mark   Apr-16-10 05:26 AM   #20 
  - i read the article, & i repeat: some duers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions.  Hannah Bell   Apr-16-10 05:35 AM   #22 
     - Here we go again...  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 06:57 AM   #27 
     - My thoughts too...nt  SidDithers   Apr-16-10 07:12 AM   #29 
     - The Philadelphia Daily News published one of the pictures of a kid sleeping.  msanthrope   Apr-16-10 01:49 PM   #64 
     - Notice her sudden crickets  liberalhistorian   Apr-16-10 05:23 PM   #87 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-10 05:25 PM   #88 
     - Yes, indeed, she is, isn't she?  liberalhistorian   Apr-16-10 09:47 PM   #97 
     - yes, it's too bad i can't be at DU 24/7. but you'll find that i did indeed respond, though  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 01:55 AM   #106 
        - Please explain why the school would have pictures  liberalhistorian   Apr-17-10 10:23 AM   #142 
     - what conclusion do you draw from that picture?  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 01:49 AM   #104 
     - The article PROVES the conclusions.  Ken Burch   Apr-16-10 07:56 PM   #94 
     - it does nothing of the sort.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 01:57 AM   #107 
     - HB, I have been watching Philly news stations all morning carrying this story- emails  old mark   Apr-17-10 07:41 AM   #135 
  - what are you, Du's Mom?  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:17 PM   #43 
     - no, are you?  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 01:58 AM   #108 
  - i want to know how many people knew about this. sounds like more than the 1 0r 2  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:16 PM   #42 
  - And one who continues to insist actual admissions are unfounded allegations.  TheMadMonk   Apr-17-10 01:34 AM   #102 
     - I'll respond to just one of your "admissions" because it can be answered quickly without looking  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:11 AM   #109 
        - Is there a reason you're so obsessed with minimizing this?  Ken Burch   Apr-17-10 03:19 AM   #117 
        - Is there some reason you're so obsessed with convicting before trial on the basis of "evidence"  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 03:43 AM   #119 
           - Because admitting this is wrong is not something you need a conviction to prove  CreekDog   Apr-17-10 02:45 PM   #163 
              - you seem to be confused. 1) to say "this" is wrong, you need to know what "this" is.  Hannah Bell   Apr-18-10 01:25 PM   #184 
                 - How about simply admit that what took place was so utterly inexcusable,...  TheMadMonk   Apr-18-10 09:39 PM   #187 
        - It implied by ommision that only a limited number of images existed.  TheMadMonk   Apr-17-10 02:23 PM   #158 
        - mentioned numerous times in numerous articles since the beginning of this story.  Hannah Bell   Apr-18-10 12:32 PM   #179 
        - But how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?  CreekDog   Apr-17-10 02:43 PM   #162 
  - the one who likes fava beans & chiant?  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:15 PM   #41 
  - And just as some of us suspected, it was sordid spying.  TexasObserver   Apr-16-10 02:00 AM   #2 
  - Although I think this webcam thing was (stupidly)  frustrated_lefty   Apr-16-10 08:24 AM   #35 
     - "reasonable intentions"  pocoloco   Apr-16-10 09:31 PM   #96 
  - They didn't try using terrorism as an excuse 'cuz they assumed teh fear of DRUGZZzzzz!!! was enough.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-16-10 02:29 AM   #4 
  - "I know, I love it" - she needs put in jail for a long period of time  Divine Discontent   Apr-16-10 02:40 AM   #5 
  - needs put in jail for a long period of time  saigon68   Apr-16-10 06:42 AM   #26 
  - has it ever occurred to you that your conclusions are based on partial information?  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 03:07 AM   #116 
  - "including pictures of Blake partially undressed..."  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 02:57 AM   #7 
  - So this server contains child pornography!  jmowreader   Apr-16-10 07:16 AM   #31 
     - Yet if these kids had sent the same photos by cell phone they  Love Bug   Apr-16-10 08:16 AM   #34 
  - I think I'll kick this before I go to bed.  Occulus   Apr-16-10 03:02 AM   #8 
  - Yes it is  etherealtruth   Apr-16-10 04:53 PM   #83 
  - But the system was only used 42 times  Citizen Worker   Apr-16-10 03:13 AM   #10 
  - So they only spied on stolen laptops?  Mojeoux   Apr-16-10 03:18 AM   #11 
  - Nope.  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 09:23 AM   #37 
     - teachers also reported THEIR laptops had the camera light go on  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:22 PM   # 
     - teachers also reported THEIR laptops had the camera light go on  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:22 PM   #46 
        - teachers?  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 12:34 PM   #55 
           - here, w/ links, posted by a duer who lives in the district & whose name escapes me at the moment.  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:59 PM   #58 
              - thanks  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 01:33 PM   #61 
              - onen of 2 things have happened snce then:  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 01:47 PM   #63 
              - they'd be in the same class action already running  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 01:59 PM   #65 
                 - it hasn't yet been certified as a class action, so far as i've seen reported.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:40 AM   #113 
                    - it would be far cheaper for the school if it's a class action  TorchTheWitch   Apr-17-10 05:57 AM   #132 
                       - the information in the post you responded to indicated that as of late march, it hadn't been  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 06:37 AM   #133 
              - The teachers spied on are the next bombshell.  msanthrope   Apr-16-10 02:07 PM   #68 
                 - I wondered - I always lived in this area  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 02:14 PM   #69 
                 - going public would protect them, and it he union doesn't go ballistic  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 03:00 PM   #72 
              - Here's one, but w/o links  bananas   Apr-16-10 02:30 PM   #71 
  - yes, if you actually read the article, it still is. 42 computers taking a picture every 15 minutes.  Hannah Bell   Apr-16-10 03:30 AM   #12 
  - Your P.O.V. is a disgrace...  PCIntern   Apr-16-10 05:28 AM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-10 05:53 AM   #23 
  - Her POV is self-interest. No less disgraceful IMHO. n/t  msanthrope   Apr-16-10 12:50 PM   #57 
  - self-interest? how's that? i don't live there, don't work there, & don't work in education,  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 01:47 AM   #103 
  - On what basis do I charge you with "self-interest?"  msanthrope   Apr-17-10 12:39 PM   #152 
     - oh, brother. i.e., there's no "self-interest" involved except your interest in amateur psychology.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 11:09 PM   #176 
     - +1  Forkboy   Apr-18-10 12:32 AM   #177 
  - +1  JTFrog   Apr-17-10 12:45 PM   #153 
  - It turned out to be so much worse than you reported originally!  Generic Other   Apr-16-10 02:26 PM   #70 
  - I think your protestations are fertilizer....  MicaelS   Apr-16-10 08:08 AM   #33 
  - what conclusion do you draw from these facts?  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 01:53 AM   #105 
     - It indicates she believed a truthful answer to all of those questions would incriminate her  Occulus   Apr-17-10 03:03 AM   #115 
        - Perhaps it "looks" that way because the article reports the claims of the plantiffs' lawyer.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 03:21 AM   #118 
           - You broke DU rules by quoting that much of the article  Occulus   Apr-17-10 03:52 AM   #121 
              - i have corrected my egregious violation of du rules.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 04:04 AM   #123 
                 - Ms. Cafiero, is that you? nt  woo me with science   Apr-17-10 07:46 AM   #137 
  - Is there no misbehavior you will not countenance?  MineralMan   Apr-16-10 09:04 AM   #36 
  - +1  Ignis   Apr-16-10 01:06 PM   #59 
  - which misbehavior is it that you believe i "countenance"?  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:17 AM   #110 
     - I haven't seen you even suggest that there was anything wrong  MineralMan   Apr-17-10 07:40 PM   #168 
        - your remarks imply that you already know "what happened". i believe that's what the preliminary  Hannah Bell   Apr-18-10 12:51 PM   #180 
  - Still NOT OKAY!!!  Matariki   Apr-16-10 12:22 PM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-10 12:23 PM   #48 
  - wow, does this spying fondly remind you of mother russia or something comrade bell?  dionysus   Apr-16-10 12:24 PM   #49 
  - And again, one wonders why.  Occulus   Apr-16-10 01:23 PM   #60 
  - only if you believe "evidence" consists of allegations made by one party without  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 04:37 AM   #127 
  - gee, unwarranted conclusions, false accusations, & red-baiting -- all in two sentences.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:26 AM   #111 
  - You DO realize that the pictures of the kids sleeping  liberalhistorian   Apr-16-10 03:57 PM   #76 
  - So what number is an acceptable number for children spied on?  EOTE   Apr-19-10 09:20 AM   #188 
  - except they lied about that  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 03:40 AM   #13 
  - female teachers complained about their school-issued laptops, as well.  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:25 PM   #50 
  - Wanna buy a bridge?  eShirl   Apr-16-10 06:37 AM   #25 
  - 42 thousand maybe.  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:19 PM   #45 
  - PDF doc - plaintiffs Motion for Sanctions  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 03:58 AM   #14 
  - Thx for that link n/t  Papa Boule   Apr-16-10 10:34 AM   #39 
  - you're welcome  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 12:31 PM   #53 
  - Carol sounds like a turd, but you can't plead the 5th and then answer some questions.  Goblinmonger   Apr-16-10 09:55 PM   #99 
  - "..wound up..." - what passive panguage  Cal Carpenter   Apr-16-10 05:18 AM   #19 
  - No kidding. nt  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 09:27 PM   #95 
  - K & R  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 06:27 AM   #24 
  - The school's original defense is shattered now.  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 07:05 AM   #28 
  - +1 ... idiots will still side w/the school irregardless  Echo In Light   Apr-16-10 09:26 AM   #38 
  - Original LIES, I think you meant to write. :-)  WinkyDink   Apr-16-10 04:12 PM   #79 
  - I stand corrected. nt  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 07:40 PM   #93 
  - "apparently now it is clear that they were turning on the cams for any reason"  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:45 AM   #114 
     - They have admitted they turned on the cams for LATE FEE PAYMENT, Hannah.  woo me with science   Apr-17-10 07:54 AM   #138 
        - She seems to be assiduously avoiding that particular  liberalhistorian   Apr-17-10 10:42 AM   #144 
        - it's not clear what "they admitted," nor does that = "for any reason,"  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:10 PM   #157 
           - What DO you say about the illegally obtained photos in the kids' bedrooms, then, Hannah?  woo me with science   Apr-17-10 02:27 PM   #159 
  - I forget, was the terms of this pictorial tracking disclosed in writing and was the activation  aikoaiko   Apr-16-10 07:16 AM   #30 
  - Nope. No disclosure to families.  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 07:22 AM   #32 
  - NO! And they LIED to student s who asked about it. Repeatedly,  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 12:27 PM   #51 
  - They also screenshot IMs---no policy on that. n/t  msanthrope   Apr-16-10 12:32 PM   #54 
  - No, and no. THERE IS NO DEFENSE. THE SCHOOL PERSONNEL WERE VOYEURS.  WinkyDink   Apr-16-10 04:13 PM   #80 
  - Wow!  Spazito   Apr-16-10 12:03 PM   #40 
  - Oh yeah right - "The Laptops" did it  Matariki   Apr-16-10 12:17 PM   #44 
  - The school also screenshot IM communications. So that blows the  msanthrope   Apr-16-10 12:30 PM   #52 
  - Throw everyone of those asshats in jail for a long, long time  WolverineDG   Apr-16-10 12:44 PM   #56 
  - i'm getting the feeling this is a test case for the rest of us  Blue_Tires   Apr-16-10 01:37 PM   #62 
  - And how many other school districts have been doing this  woo me with science   Apr-16-10 02:00 PM   #66 
  - probably loads of them  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 02:04 PM   #67 
  - Workplaces probably...  CoffeeCat   Apr-16-10 03:41 PM   #75 
  - Sorry to tell you this. That fight's been fought and lost.  TheMadMonk   Apr-16-10 10:01 PM   #101 
     - What about children, who are legally unable to enter into any contract?  Occulus   Apr-17-10 03:56 AM   #122 
        - I have no idea how this was argued at the time.  TheMadMonk   Apr-17-10 08:37 AM   #140 
  - What makes you think there are some who aren't  liberalhistorian   Apr-16-10 04:00 PM   #77 
  - Wow  colbertforpresident   Apr-16-10 03:17 PM   #73 
  - Many criminals are "nice" to the world beyond their victims. She's a creepy, lying voyeur.  WinkyDink   Apr-16-10 04:16 PM   #81 
     - Mandracchia also took issue with Haltzman's use of district e-mail excerpts  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 04:18 AM   #126 
  - Everyone involved should be sued beyond repair...  CoffeeCat   Apr-16-10 03:24 PM   #74 
  - Don't know the laws in this state  Goblinmonger   Apr-16-10 09:57 PM   #100 
     - Could these administrators be sued personally?  CoffeeCat   Apr-17-10 11:00 AM   #148 
  - I'd like to hear from the DU school-defenders right about now. It's called "SPYING."  WinkyDink   Apr-16-10 04:11 PM   #78 
  - **UPDATE*** "Substantial number" of webcam photos recovered  Papa Boule   Apr-16-10 04:45 PM   #82 
  - could get dangerous.  elehhhhna   Apr-16-10 05:01 PM   #84 
  - What I don't understand is how anyone can defend the actions.  Rex   Apr-16-10 05:10 PM   #85 
     - you mean the disruptor form lala land?  elehhhhna   Apr-17-10 06:38 PM   #166 
     - Some not only love Big Brother (or Sister), but will defend them here.  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-20-10 02:14 PM   #189 
  - oh, this is just RICH...  TorchTheWitch   Apr-16-10 06:22 PM   #89 
     - During that process the privacy of all students will be strongly protected  etherealtruth   Apr-16-10 06:50 PM   #90 
  - Based upon my experiences with school systems.  Grand Taurean   Apr-16-10 05:14 PM   #86 
  - Don't think for one minute that private schools are or would be  liberalhistorian   Apr-17-10 10:45 AM   #145 
     - I agree. My brother attended a private high school and the kids were much worse  Grand Taurean   Apr-17-10 10:17 PM   #173 
  - this outcome was 100% predictable  dem mba   Apr-16-10 07:17 PM   #91 
  - "secretly" ??? Seemed intentional to me. n/t  Vickers   Apr-17-10 02:27 AM   #112 
  - inquirer has full text of emails:  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 03:49 AM   #120 
  - Doesn't matter...  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 04:13 AM   #124 
  - that's not the issue the case filed turns on, so i'm not sure which case you're referring to  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 04:15 AM   #125 
     - The whole thing...  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 05:22 AM   #128 
        - no matter how big you type it & how many names you call me, the case  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 05:40 AM   #129 
           - You are either of low IQ or are a deliberate misanthrope...  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 05:47 AM   #130 
              - the fact that cameras were in your home has no bearing as to *what the lawsuit says*.  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 05:53 AM   #131 
              - Hannah...  trumad   Apr-17-10 06:53 AM   #134 
              - Ms. Cafiero  woo me with science   Apr-17-10 07:42 AM   #136 
              - Since it isn't on the WeirdS**tWebSite then it can't be true!  whistler162   Apr-17-10 09:42 AM   #141 
              - Who gives a flying eff what You're talking about?  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 08:07 AM   #139 
              - Ok - I'll bite - say you are 100% right about the case - what do you think about the cameras though?  The Straight Story   Apr-17-10 10:27 AM   #143 
              - i've already said what i think about that, several times. no, i don't think schools should  Hannah Bell   Apr-18-10 01:06 PM   #182 
              - OK, then. How about you go to your employer on Monday  liberalhistorian   Apr-17-10 10:49 AM   #146 
                 - You won't get an answer,,,  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 10:53 AM   #147 
                 - i've never said anything that would in any way suggest i thought it was a good idea for schools  Hannah Bell   Apr-18-10 01:08 PM   #183 
                    - No, it's not unwarranted at all.  liberalhistorian   Apr-18-10 05:48 PM   #185 
                    - +1  woo me with science   Apr-18-10 06:06 PM   #186 
                    - So, when *is* the chocolate ration going to be increased again?  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-20-10 02:41 PM   #190 
              - "are a deliberate misanthrope" Gotta be the former-even this msanthrope can't support the district.  msanthrope   Apr-17-10 12:07 PM   #150 
                 - !  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 12:14 PM   #151 
                    - No tarnish!!! I'm glad for the opportunity to defend misanthropes everywhere! n/t  msanthrope   Apr-17-10 12:52 PM   #154 
  - Hannah--look at the article you cited. It blows your own points out of the water.  msanthrope   Apr-17-10 01:15 PM   #155 
     - i asked for some evidence the case had been certified by the judge as a class action,  Hannah Bell   Apr-17-10 02:06 PM   #156 
        - You have no problem with that system?  woo me with science   Apr-17-10 02:36 PM   #161 
        - I didn't say anything about class certification. You mixed me up with  msanthrope   Apr-17-10 06:34 PM   #164 
        - I didn't write of class certification. You are mixing me up with another poster.  msanthrope   Apr-17-10 06:36 PM   #165 
  - Just made CNN again a few minutes ago...  PCIntern   Apr-17-10 11:11 AM   #149 
  - I'm glad to hear it's making the major news networks now. nt  woo me with science   Apr-18-10 08:11 AM   #178 
  - Where can I download the pictures of Teenage Girls?  divvy   Apr-17-10 02:31 PM   #160 
  - Well, hopefully if this ever happens again at any other school anywhere.  Withywindle   Apr-17-10 07:38 PM   #167 
  - It is happening at other schools.  woo me with science   Apr-17-10 09:51 PM   #169 
     - Un-fucking-believable.  Withywindle   Apr-17-10 10:05 PM   #170 
  - r-  defendandprotect   Apr-17-10 10:11 PM   #171 
  - Based upon my experiences with school systems.  Grand Taurean   Apr-17-10 10:16 PM   #172 
  - Schools today america tomarrow  MkapX   Apr-17-10 10:29 PM   #174 
  - laptops?  MkapX   Apr-17-10 10:35 PM   #175 
  - This makes me want to vomit.  Lucian   Apr-18-10 12:58 PM   #181 
 

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