| 16. and many DUers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions. |
| -Lower Merion students' laptop spy cams "wound up secretly capturing thousands of images" |
Papa Boule |
Apr-16-10 01:53 AM |
#0 |
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There are severmal DUers who owe a MAJOR apology for their behavior on this topic n/t |
Occulus |
Apr-16-10 01:59 AM |
#1 |
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that if I were you... n/t |
kas125 |
Apr-16-10 02:01 AM |
#3 |
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Nor I. But it's comforting to know that Big Brother loves us to pieces. nt |
Hekate |
Apr-16-10 02:48 AM |
#6 |
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This is exactly |
dotymed |
Apr-16-10 07:38 PM |
#92 |
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have some patience, their still working on their Duke apologies, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-16-10 04:56 AM |
#17 |
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indeed... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Apr-16-10 04:56 AM |
#18 |
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You forgot the more recent Toyota apologies |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-16-10 09:50 PM |
#98 |
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why's that? there are several DUers who continue to mistake allegations for proven fact. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 03:08 AM |
#9 |
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Then you are OK with this? |
tkmorris |
Apr-16-10 04:03 AM |
#15 |
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and many DUers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 04:16 AM |
#16 |
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PLEASE read the posted article and think about the employees |
old mark |
Apr-16-10 05:26 AM |
#20 |
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i read the article, & i repeat: some duers have a talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 05:35 AM |
#22 |
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Here we go again... |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 06:57 AM |
#27 |
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My thoughts too...nt |
SidDithers |
Apr-16-10 07:12 AM |
#29 |
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The Philadelphia Daily News published one of the pictures of a kid sleeping. |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 01:49 PM |
#64 |
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Notice her sudden crickets |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 05:23 PM |
#87 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-16-10 05:25 PM |
#88 |
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Yes, indeed, she is, isn't she? |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 09:47 PM |
#97 |
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yes, it's too bad i can't be at DU 24/7. but you'll find that i did indeed respond, though |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:55 AM |
#106 |
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Please explain why the school would have pictures |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:23 AM |
#142 |
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what conclusion do you draw from that picture? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:49 AM |
#104 |
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The article PROVES the conclusions. |
Ken Burch |
Apr-16-10 07:56 PM |
#94 |
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it does nothing of the sort. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:57 AM |
#107 |
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HB, I have been watching Philly news stations all morning carrying this story- emails |
old mark |
Apr-17-10 07:41 AM |
#135 |
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what are you, Du's Mom? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:17 PM |
#43 |
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no, are you? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:58 AM |
#108 |
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i want to know how many people knew about this. sounds like more than the 1 0r 2 |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:16 PM |
#42 |
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And one who continues to insist actual admissions are unfounded allegations. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-17-10 01:34 AM |
#102 |
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I'll respond to just one of your "admissions" because it can be answered quickly without looking |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:11 AM |
#109 |
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Is there a reason you're so obsessed with minimizing this? |
Ken Burch |
Apr-17-10 03:19 AM |
#117 |
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Is there some reason you're so obsessed with convicting before trial on the basis of "evidence" |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:43 AM |
#119 |
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Because admitting this is wrong is not something you need a conviction to prove |
CreekDog |
Apr-17-10 02:45 PM |
#163 |
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you seem to be confused. 1) to say "this" is wrong, you need to know what "this" is. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 01:25 PM |
#184 |
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How about simply admit that what took place was so utterly inexcusable,... |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-18-10 09:39 PM |
#187 |
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It implied by ommision that only a limited number of images existed. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-17-10 02:23 PM |
#158 |
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mentioned numerous times in numerous articles since the beginning of this story. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 12:32 PM |
#179 |
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But how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? |
CreekDog |
Apr-17-10 02:43 PM |
#162 |
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the one who likes fava beans & chiant? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:15 PM |
#41 |
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And just as some of us suspected, it was sordid spying. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-16-10 02:00 AM |
#2 |
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Although I think this webcam thing was (stupidly) |
frustrated_lefty |
Apr-16-10 08:24 AM |
#35 |
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"reasonable intentions" |
pocoloco |
Apr-16-10 09:31 PM |
#96 |
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They didn't try using terrorism as an excuse 'cuz they assumed teh fear of DRUGZZzzzz!!! was enough. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-16-10 02:29 AM |
#4 |
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"I know, I love it" - she needs put in jail for a long period of time |
Divine Discontent |
Apr-16-10 02:40 AM |
#5 |
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needs put in jail for a long period of time |
saigon68 |
Apr-16-10 06:42 AM |
#26 |
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has it ever occurred to you that your conclusions are based on partial information? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:07 AM |
#116 |
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"including pictures of Blake partially undressed..." |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 02:57 AM |
#7 |
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So this server contains child pornography! |
jmowreader |
Apr-16-10 07:16 AM |
#31 |
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Yet if these kids had sent the same photos by cell phone they |
Love Bug |
Apr-16-10 08:16 AM |
#34 |
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I think I'll kick this before I go to bed. |
Occulus |
Apr-16-10 03:02 AM |
#8 |
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Yes it is |
etherealtruth |
Apr-16-10 04:53 PM |
#83 |
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But the system was only used 42 times |
Citizen Worker |
Apr-16-10 03:13 AM |
#10 |
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So they only spied on stolen laptops? |
Mojeoux |
Apr-16-10 03:18 AM |
#11 |
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Nope. |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 09:23 AM |
#37 |
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teachers also reported THEIR laptops had the camera light go on |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:22 PM |
# |
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teachers also reported THEIR laptops had the camera light go on |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:22 PM |
#46 |
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teachers? |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 12:34 PM |
#55 |
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here, w/ links, posted by a duer who lives in the district & whose name escapes me at the moment. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:59 PM |
#58 |
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thanks |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 01:33 PM |
#61 |
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onen of 2 things have happened snce then: |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 01:47 PM |
#63 |
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they'd be in the same class action already running |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 01:59 PM |
#65 |
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it hasn't yet been certified as a class action, so far as i've seen reported. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:40 AM |
#113 |
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it would be far cheaper for the school if it's a class action |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-17-10 05:57 AM |
#132 |
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the information in the post you responded to indicated that as of late march, it hadn't been |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 06:37 AM |
#133 |
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The teachers spied on are the next bombshell. |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 02:07 PM |
#68 |
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I wondered - I always lived in this area |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 02:14 PM |
#69 |
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going public would protect them, and it he union doesn't go ballistic |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 03:00 PM |
#72 |
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Here's one, but w/o links |
bananas |
Apr-16-10 02:30 PM |
#71 |
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yes, if you actually read the article, it still is. 42 computers taking a picture every 15 minutes. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-16-10 03:30 AM |
#12 |
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Your P.O.V. is a disgrace... |
PCIntern |
Apr-16-10 05:28 AM |
#21 |
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Deleted message |
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Apr-16-10 05:53 AM |
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Her POV is self-interest. No less disgraceful IMHO. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 12:50 PM |
#57 |
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self-interest? how's that? i don't live there, don't work there, & don't work in education, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:47 AM |
#103 |
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On what basis do I charge you with "self-interest?" |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 12:39 PM |
#152 |
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oh, brother. i.e., there's no "self-interest" involved except your interest in amateur psychology. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 11:09 PM |
#176 |
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+1 |
Forkboy |
Apr-18-10 12:32 AM |
#177 |
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+1 |
JTFrog |
Apr-17-10 12:45 PM |
#153 |
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It turned out to be so much worse than you reported originally! |
Generic Other |
Apr-16-10 02:26 PM |
#70 |
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I think your protestations are fertilizer.... |
MicaelS |
Apr-16-10 08:08 AM |
#33 |
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what conclusion do you draw from these facts? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 01:53 AM |
#105 |
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It indicates she believed a truthful answer to all of those questions would incriminate her |
Occulus |
Apr-17-10 03:03 AM |
#115 |
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Perhaps it "looks" that way because the article reports the claims of the plantiffs' lawyer. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:21 AM |
#118 |
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You broke DU rules by quoting that much of the article |
Occulus |
Apr-17-10 03:52 AM |
#121 |
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i have corrected my egregious violation of du rules. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:04 AM |
#123 |
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Ms. Cafiero, is that you? nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 07:46 AM |
#137 |
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Is there no misbehavior you will not countenance? |
MineralMan |
Apr-16-10 09:04 AM |
#36 |
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+1 |
Ignis |
Apr-16-10 01:06 PM |
#59 |
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which misbehavior is it that you believe i "countenance"? |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:17 AM |
#110 |
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I haven't seen you even suggest that there was anything wrong |
MineralMan |
Apr-17-10 07:40 PM |
#168 |
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your remarks imply that you already know "what happened". i believe that's what the preliminary |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 12:51 PM |
#180 |
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Still NOT OKAY!!! |
Matariki |
Apr-16-10 12:22 PM |
#47 |
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Deleted message |
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Apr-16-10 12:23 PM |
#48 |
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wow, does this spying fondly remind you of mother russia or something comrade bell? |
dionysus |
Apr-16-10 12:24 PM |
#49 |
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And again, one wonders why. |
Occulus |
Apr-16-10 01:23 PM |
#60 |
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only if you believe "evidence" consists of allegations made by one party without |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:37 AM |
#127 |
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gee, unwarranted conclusions, false accusations, & red-baiting -- all in two sentences. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:26 AM |
#111 |
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You DO realize that the pictures of the kids sleeping |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 03:57 PM |
#76 |
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So what number is an acceptable number for children spied on? |
EOTE |
Apr-19-10 09:20 AM |
#188 |
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except they lied about that |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 03:40 AM |
#13 |
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female teachers complained about their school-issued laptops, as well. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:25 PM |
#50 |
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Wanna buy a bridge? |
eShirl |
Apr-16-10 06:37 AM |
#25 |
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42 thousand maybe. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:19 PM |
#45 |
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PDF doc - plaintiffs Motion for Sanctions |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 03:58 AM |
#14 |
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Thx for that link n/t |
Papa Boule |
Apr-16-10 10:34 AM |
#39 |
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you're welcome |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 12:31 PM |
#53 |
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Carol sounds like a turd, but you can't plead the 5th and then answer some questions. |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-16-10 09:55 PM |
#99 |
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"..wound up..." - what passive panguage |
Cal Carpenter |
Apr-16-10 05:18 AM |
#19 |
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No kidding. nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 09:27 PM |
#95 |
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K & R |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 06:27 AM |
#24 |
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The school's original defense is shattered now. |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 07:05 AM |
#28 |
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+1 ... idiots will still side w/the school irregardless |
Echo In Light |
Apr-16-10 09:26 AM |
#38 |
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Original LIES, I think you meant to write. :-) |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:12 PM |
#79 |
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I stand corrected. nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 07:40 PM |
#93 |
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"apparently now it is clear that they were turning on the cams for any reason" |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:45 AM |
#114 |
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They have admitted they turned on the cams for LATE FEE PAYMENT, Hannah. |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 07:54 AM |
#138 |
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She seems to be assiduously avoiding that particular |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:42 AM |
#144 |
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it's not clear what "they admitted," nor does that = "for any reason," |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:10 PM |
#157 |
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What DO you say about the illegally obtained photos in the kids' bedrooms, then, Hannah? |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 02:27 PM |
#159 |
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I forget, was the terms of this pictorial tracking disclosed in writing and was the activation |
aikoaiko |
Apr-16-10 07:16 AM |
#30 |
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Nope. No disclosure to families. |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 07:22 AM |
#32 |
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NO! And they LIED to student s who asked about it. Repeatedly, |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 12:27 PM |
#51 |
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They also screenshot IMs---no policy on that. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 12:32 PM |
#54 |
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No, and no. THERE IS NO DEFENSE. THE SCHOOL PERSONNEL WERE VOYEURS. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:13 PM |
#80 |
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Wow! |
Spazito |
Apr-16-10 12:03 PM |
#40 |
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Oh yeah right - "The Laptops" did it |
Matariki |
Apr-16-10 12:17 PM |
#44 |
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The school also screenshot IM communications. So that blows the |
msanthrope |
Apr-16-10 12:30 PM |
#52 |
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Throw everyone of those asshats in jail for a long, long time |
WolverineDG |
Apr-16-10 12:44 PM |
#56 |
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i'm getting the feeling this is a test case for the rest of us |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-16-10 01:37 PM |
#62 |
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And how many other school districts have been doing this |
woo me with science |
Apr-16-10 02:00 PM |
#66 |
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probably loads of them |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 02:04 PM |
#67 |
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Workplaces probably... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-10 03:41 PM |
#75 |
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Sorry to tell you this. That fight's been fought and lost. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-16-10 10:01 PM |
#101 |
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What about children, who are legally unable to enter into any contract? |
Occulus |
Apr-17-10 03:56 AM |
#122 |
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I have no idea how this was argued at the time. |
TheMadMonk |
Apr-17-10 08:37 AM |
#140 |
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What makes you think there are some who aren't |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-16-10 04:00 PM |
#77 |
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Wow |
colbertforpresident |
Apr-16-10 03:17 PM |
#73 |
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Many criminals are "nice" to the world beyond their victims. She's a creepy, lying voyeur. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:16 PM |
#81 |
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Mandracchia also took issue with Haltzman's use of district e-mail excerpts |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:18 AM |
#126 |
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Everyone involved should be sued beyond repair... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-10 03:24 PM |
#74 |
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Don't know the laws in this state |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-16-10 09:57 PM |
#100 |
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Could these administrators be sued personally? |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-17-10 11:00 AM |
#148 |
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I'd like to hear from the DU school-defenders right about now. It's called "SPYING." |
WinkyDink |
Apr-16-10 04:11 PM |
#78 |
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**UPDATE*** "Substantial number" of webcam photos recovered |
Papa Boule |
Apr-16-10 04:45 PM |
#82 |
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could get dangerous. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-16-10 05:01 PM |
#84 |
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What I don't understand is how anyone can defend the actions. |
Rex |
Apr-16-10 05:10 PM |
#85 |
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you mean the disruptor form lala land? |
elehhhhna |
Apr-17-10 06:38 PM |
#166 |
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Some not only love Big Brother (or Sister), but will defend them here. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-20-10 02:14 PM |
#189 |
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oh, this is just RICH... |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-16-10 06:22 PM |
#89 |
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During that process the privacy of all students will be strongly protected |
etherealtruth |
Apr-16-10 06:50 PM |
#90 |
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Based upon my experiences with school systems. |
Grand Taurean |
Apr-16-10 05:14 PM |
#86 |
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Don't think for one minute that private schools are or would be |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:45 AM |
#145 |
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I agree. My brother attended a private high school and the kids were much worse |
Grand Taurean |
Apr-17-10 10:17 PM |
#173 |
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this outcome was 100% predictable |
dem mba |
Apr-16-10 07:17 PM |
#91 |
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"secretly" ??? Seemed intentional to me. n/t |
Vickers |
Apr-17-10 02:27 AM |
#112 |
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inquirer has full text of emails: |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 03:49 AM |
#120 |
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Doesn't matter... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 04:13 AM |
#124 |
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that's not the issue the case filed turns on, so i'm not sure which case you're referring to |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 04:15 AM |
#125 |
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The whole thing... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 05:22 AM |
#128 |
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no matter how big you type it & how many names you call me, the case |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 05:40 AM |
#129 |
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You are either of low IQ or are a deliberate misanthrope... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 05:47 AM |
#130 |
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the fact that cameras were in your home has no bearing as to *what the lawsuit says*. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 05:53 AM |
#131 |
| -
Hannah... |
trumad |
Apr-17-10 06:53 AM |
#134 |
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Ms. Cafiero |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 07:42 AM |
#136 |
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Since it isn't on the WeirdS**tWebSite then it can't be true! |
whistler162 |
Apr-17-10 09:42 AM |
#141 |
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Who gives a flying eff what You're talking about? |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 08:07 AM |
#139 |
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Ok - I'll bite - say you are 100% right about the case - what do you think about the cameras though? |
The Straight Story |
Apr-17-10 10:27 AM |
#143 |
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i've already said what i think about that, several times. no, i don't think schools should |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 01:06 PM |
#182 |
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OK, then. How about you go to your employer on Monday |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-17-10 10:49 AM |
#146 |
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You won't get an answer,,, |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 10:53 AM |
#147 |
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i've never said anything that would in any way suggest i thought it was a good idea for schools |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-18-10 01:08 PM |
#183 |
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No, it's not unwarranted at all. |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-18-10 05:48 PM |
#185 |
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+1 |
woo me with science |
Apr-18-10 06:06 PM |
#186 |
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So, when *is* the chocolate ration going to be increased again? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-20-10 02:41 PM |
#190 |
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"are a deliberate misanthrope" Gotta be the former-even this msanthrope can't support the district. |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 12:07 PM |
#150 |
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! |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 12:14 PM |
#151 |
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No tarnish!!! I'm glad for the opportunity to defend misanthropes everywhere! n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 12:52 PM |
#154 |
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Hannah--look at the article you cited. It blows your own points out of the water. |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 01:15 PM |
#155 |
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i asked for some evidence the case had been certified by the judge as a class action, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-17-10 02:06 PM |
#156 |
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You have no problem with that system? |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 02:36 PM |
#161 |
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I didn't say anything about class certification. You mixed me up with |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 06:34 PM |
#164 |
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I didn't write of class certification. You are mixing me up with another poster. |
msanthrope |
Apr-17-10 06:36 PM |
#165 |
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Just made CNN again a few minutes ago... |
PCIntern |
Apr-17-10 11:11 AM |
#149 |
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I'm glad to hear it's making the major news networks now. nt |
woo me with science |
Apr-18-10 08:11 AM |
#178 |
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Where can I download the pictures of Teenage Girls? |
divvy |
Apr-17-10 02:31 PM |
#160 |
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Well, hopefully if this ever happens again at any other school anywhere. |
Withywindle |
Apr-17-10 07:38 PM |
#167 |
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It is happening at other schools. |
woo me with science |
Apr-17-10 09:51 PM |
#169 |
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Un-fucking-believable. |
Withywindle |
Apr-17-10 10:05 PM |
#170 |
| -
r- |
defendandprotect |
Apr-17-10 10:11 PM |
#171 |
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Based upon my experiences with school systems. |
Grand Taurean |
Apr-17-10 10:16 PM |
#172 |
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Schools today america tomarrow |
MkapX |
Apr-17-10 10:29 PM |
#174 |
| -
laptops? |
MkapX |
Apr-17-10 10:35 PM |
#175 |
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This makes me want to vomit. |
Lucian |
Apr-18-10 12:58 PM |
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