| 163. Your questions have been answered repeatedly. |
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Many many people are telling you how they perceive your motives. Perhaps all of us are out to lunch, or perhaps you are coming across that way.
I have found that people here will take the time to answer intelligently an honest question, but lose patience very quickly if they believe it is specious and dishonest.
Either all the posters here are crazy, or you might choose to consider our perception.
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| -I have come across DU'ers who think coal miners are overpaid in the last couple of days. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:20 PM |
#0 |
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That's crazy. |
Dappleganger |
Apr-14-10 11:22 PM |
#1 |
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Not to mention the health hazards such as black lung... |
cynatnite |
Apr-14-10 11:23 PM |
#2 |
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My grandfather developed a lung infection (it was not black lung), |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:26 PM |
#6 |
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Black lung killed my coal miner grandfather--a Sicilian immigrant in Pennsylvania. nt |
tblue37 |
Apr-15-10 12:29 AM |
#41 |
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That's what will kill my father |
MountainLaurel |
Apr-15-10 07:53 AM |
#65 |
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some people are asses |
pitohui |
Apr-14-10 11:25 PM |
#3 |
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That about covers it. |
SmileyRose |
Apr-15-10 06:19 AM |
#62 |
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Spurlock's "30 Days" covered how untrue "overpaid" is. |
flvegan |
Apr-14-10 11:25 PM |
#4 |
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It was the $70K meme that really pissed me off. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:29 PM |
#8 |
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And $70k wouldn't be proportionately fair pay. |
flvegan |
Apr-15-10 12:00 AM |
#32 |
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Exactly. Who in their right mind would trade 20 years of their life |
wickerwoman |
Apr-15-10 01:33 AM |
#47 |
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Someone who feels they have no other options. |
Incitatus |
Apr-15-10 01:51 AM |
#52 |
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My Uncle - 30 years on the Ford assembly line and now disabled. |
SmileyRose |
Apr-15-10 06:22 AM |
#63 |
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Hear hear.... |
DainBramaged |
Apr-15-10 07:18 PM |
#179 |
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Is that show still on? |
Lucian |
Apr-14-10 11:45 PM |
#21 |
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Wasn't renewed last year, sadly. |
flvegan |
Apr-14-10 11:58 PM |
#31 |
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That was completely awesome. Thanks for posting. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-15-10 07:10 PM |
#177 |
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Holy crap, the workers are *avoiding* using safety gear! |
boppers |
Apr-15-10 07:40 PM |
#183 |
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I have three generations of coal miners in my family, and have also lost family in the mines. Anyone |
Liquorice |
Apr-14-10 11:25 PM |
#5 |
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I guess those DUers are entitled to their opinions on the subject. |
Webster Green |
Apr-14-10 11:27 PM |
#7 |
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I've been thankful that my ancestors got out of coal mining |
csziggy |
Apr-14-10 11:31 PM |
#9 |
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Mine did also. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:37 PM |
#12 |
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Yes, it was about 1870 when the Welsh guy came over |
csziggy |
Apr-14-10 11:52 PM |
#24 |
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Many of my recent ancestors... |
brendan120678 |
Apr-15-10 01:56 PM |
#146 |
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Your ggf must have been from North Wales then. |
geardaddy |
Apr-15-10 10:57 AM |
#84 |
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We're always accused of "Class Warfare" but that's exactly what this is.. |
XOKCowboy |
Apr-14-10 11:33 PM |
#10 |
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Who, in their right mind thinks coal miners are paid well? |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-14-10 11:37 PM |
#11 |
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it's a smear that has been spread in southern usa since the 1960s |
pitohui |
Apr-14-10 11:44 PM |
#19 |
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I wonder if they misread me, it wouldn't be the first time. |
Warpy |
Apr-14-10 11:39 PM |
#13 |
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This place has undergone a radical change the past couple of years. |
QC |
Apr-14-10 11:40 PM |
#14 |
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I didn't find it until '05, |
pecwae |
Apr-15-10 08:31 AM |
#69 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-15-10 08:47 AM |
#73 |
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I agree the site has changed a bit. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Apr-15-10 11:57 AM |
#114 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-15-10 12:07 PM |
#120 |
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It was easy to demagogue support for the working class when |
Marr |
Apr-15-10 01:23 PM |
#140 |
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The same ones who think it's reasonable to try to live on $10/hr? |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-14-10 11:41 PM |
#15 |
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We got more than a few idiots |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-14-10 11:41 PM |
#16 |
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I was born in West by God Virginia. No relatives in the mine but I get sick |
Maraya1969 |
Apr-14-10 11:42 PM |
#17 |
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It's not just hard, it is ****ing dangerous. They deserve to be paid well. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:47 PM |
#23 |
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Probably the same folks who think that teachers are overpaid, |
MadHound |
Apr-14-10 11:43 PM |
#18 |
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I'm more curious as to why someone would stay |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-14-10 11:45 PM |
#20 |
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Interesting question. Do you have family? Would you leave your family |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:52 PM |
#25 |
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The family should be pushing them to get out . |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-14-10 11:55 PM |
#28 |
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Huh? Do you really think this is the 1850's, where you can just "go west young man"?? |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 12:03 AM |
#33 |
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You can go anywhere you want these days. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:08 AM |
#34 |
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Go where? How naive are you? |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 12:13 AM |
#37 |
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Whole country out there. Other people do it every day. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:14 AM |
#39 |
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What about you? |
XOKCowboy |
Apr-15-10 01:02 AM |
#44 |
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Yes, I did that many years ago. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 01:06 AM |
#45 |
| -
It isn't a tough question, just hard from some to understand who have |
harun |
Apr-15-10 08:29 AM |
#68 |
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I've never understood it. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:04 AM |
#90 |
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Because it's not as easy as you claim if your skill set |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 01:00 PM |
#135 |
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I don't recall saying it was easy. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 01:09 PM |
#137 |
| -
Well I'm sorry that you missed the entire point. |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 02:03 PM |
#148 |
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No, I finally got an explanation. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 02:10 PM |
#150 |
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Well I gave you what I thought was a reasonable answer |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 02:31 PM |
#152 |
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No, I never said any of that. But thank you anyway. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 02:36 PM |
#153 |
| -
It's beside the point |
laughingliberal |
Apr-15-10 01:39 AM |
#48 |
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Try this explanation |
Mopar151 |
Apr-15-10 05:12 AM |
#57 |
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Seems unlikely to me. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:51 AM |
#79 |
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A lot of Appalachia is poorly educated. |
Dr.Phool |
Apr-15-10 12:35 PM |
#127 |
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At least some of them got out anyway. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:41 PM |
#130 |
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Because when you've known real hunger and insecurity your tolerance for risk goes down. |
wickerwoman |
Apr-15-10 07:48 AM |
#64 |
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And the urge for a decent life goes up.. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:53 AM |
#80 |
| -
Are you as critical of three generations of fisherman, police officers, or military? |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-15-10 01:52 AM |
#53 |
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I went up through the military. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:54 AM |
#81 |
| -
The family is their support system, their safety net. |
Lars39 |
Apr-15-10 07:55 AM |
#66 |
| -
It's also keeping them down. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:56 AM |
#82 |
| -
Will they have such a safety net in a larger city, far away? |
Lars39 |
Apr-15-10 10:58 AM |
#86 |
| -
Did the early Americans have a safety net? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:01 AM |
#88 |
| -
Can't help but notice that you're Canadian. |
Lars39 |
Apr-15-10 11:52 AM |
#111 |
| -
Indeed I am. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:56 AM |
#113 |
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Tied by family, friends,culture, hatred of cities |
Mopar151 |
Apr-14-10 11:53 PM |
#27 |
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That is not the only other option. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-14-10 11:56 PM |
#29 |
| -
"In the old days a high school education would have opened doors everywhere"... |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-15-10 12:10 AM |
#35 |
| -
Yes, and now it's college or university. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:14 AM |
#38 |
| -
Leave for what? A cushy job at Google with catered gourmet lunches? |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-15-10 01:31 AM |
#46 |
| -
Why don't the poor leave big cities |
Dappleganger |
Apr-15-10 08:34 AM |
#70 |
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Poor usually flock to big cities because there are |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:45 AM |
#77 |
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"not once has anyone left the coal mines of W Virginia and found a job elsewhere?" WHO, beyond you, |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 03:53 PM |
#169 |
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BINGO! |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:03 AM |
#89 |
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A simple question. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:06 AM |
#91 |
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Question |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:14 AM |
#93 |
| -
Which list of what? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:20 AM |
#97 |
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You've been told why, yet argue "but why". Try reading the replies you've gotten |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 03:55 PM |
#170 |
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My family is in mining |
spinbaby |
Apr-15-10 05:52 AM |
#60 |
| -
Yep, they should just |
pecwae |
Apr-15-10 08:39 AM |
#71 |
| -
It's their home, their family |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 10:40 AM |
#76 |
| -
They're not leaving forever you know. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:58 AM |
#87 |
| -
In desperate, limited-opportunity communities, the young generally have to pitch in |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:13 AM |
#92 |
| -
After 3-4 generations? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:16 AM |
#95 |
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Not much sociology, anthropology, psychology huh? |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:17 AM |
#96 |
| -
No answer, huh? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:21 AM |
#99 |
| -
Obviously you did not read far down-thread |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:25 AM |
#103 |
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I've read all the posts. Still no answer. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:29 AM |
#104 |
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Well, none you are willing to accept. No matter. Others get it |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:44 AM |
#107 |
| -
I haven't seen one beyond fear of leaving home. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:47 AM |
#109 |
| -
Many thanks for playing along |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:03 PM |
#117 |
| -
You're welcome. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:06 PM |
#119 |
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You've received several well spoken and reasoned answers. |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:04 PM |
#159 |
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And I thanked people for them and said |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 03:06 PM |
#160 |
| -
It's a long thread, perhaps I have missed a post |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:13 PM |
#161 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-15-10 03:21 PM |
#162 |
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Then who would do the mining? |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 11:22 AM |
#100 |
| -
Are you saying it's their duty? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:25 AM |
#102 |
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I'm saying that someone has to mine it. |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 11:45 AM |
#108 |
| -
So use robots. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:49 AM |
#110 |
| -
Frankly I would think you would have more understanding then. |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 12:22 PM |
#124 |
| -
It's not about my 'seeing things'. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:39 PM |
#128 |
| -
Because there are far worse things for some than hard work. |
Mopar151 |
Apr-15-10 09:45 PM |
#184 |
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Was a time (during 2 World Wars) when that was the thinking |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:01 PM |
#116 |
| -
Well that makes sense. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:05 PM |
#118 |
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Makes you wonder if they'd be able to recognize when someone(s) really are overpaid. |
patrice |
Apr-14-10 11:47 PM |
#22 |
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I find this extremely hard to believe. |
LaPera |
Apr-14-10 11:53 PM |
#26 |
| -
Well, they are repeating freeper talking points. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:57 PM |
#30 |
| -
Freepers think miners are overpaid? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:11 AM |
#36 |
| -
You think freepers are pro-working class? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-15-10 12:50 AM |
#42 |
| -
Eons ago when Drudge was new on the web, |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:56 AM |
#43 |
| -
They may be working class but they tend to vote for those who support tax cuts for the wealthy and |
laughingliberal |
Apr-15-10 01:45 AM |
#49 |
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Which is why I said they were crazy. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:47 AM |
#78 |
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The results of their votes are the same no matter what they think their intent is. nt |
laughingliberal |
Apr-15-10 11:39 AM |
#106 |
| -
And you only read Playboy for the articles. nt |
sudopod |
Apr-15-10 02:28 AM |
#55 |
| -
Oh SNAP! |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-15-10 03:59 PM |
#173 |
| -
Oh. Oh oh oh. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-15-10 03:58 PM |
#172 |
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I agree..DU people and any real Democrat wouldn't make those kind of judgment calls. |
Mojeoux |
Apr-15-10 02:32 AM |
#56 |
| -
Freepers aren't DUers. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:57 AM |
#85 |
| -
And the DU server does not prevent posting by corporate apologist |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:12 PM |
#122 |
| -
No, it doesn't. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:40 PM |
#129 |
| -
The fact that you personally don't like the answers does not mean |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:48 PM |
#131 |
| -
It was an effort to understand something. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:53 PM |
#133 |
| -
It's really typical behavior |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 02:39 PM |
#154 |
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I think some of you 'read things in' that don't exist. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 02:44 PM |
#155 |
| -
Yup, sure |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 02:47 PM |
#156 |
| -
Your questions have been answered repeatedly. |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:23 PM |
#163 |
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And I've thanked people repeatedly. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 03:24 PM |
#164 |
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You are not worth any more of my time. |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:26 PM |
#165 |
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But some DUers are freepers. nt |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 03:58 PM |
#171 |
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I've seen even worse things than that. |
Withywindle |
Apr-15-10 12:24 AM |
#40 |
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i've come across anti-union attitudes, blind allegiance to party |
amborin |
Apr-15-10 01:45 AM |
#50 |
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Anyone who thinks they are overpaid is free to choose that profession. |
Incitatus |
Apr-15-10 01:49 AM |
#51 |
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Do you have a link to that DU'ers post? |
Incitatus |
Apr-15-10 01:53 AM |
#54 |
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+1 . .. . . . n/t |
annabanana |
Apr-15-10 05:26 AM |
#58 |
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It's not possible to overpay a coal miner. To my thinking anyway... |
Solly Mack |
Apr-15-10 05:28 AM |
#59 |
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Fuck them along with Blankenship! |
DailyGrind51 |
Apr-15-10 06:16 AM |
#61 |
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they're fools. there can't be too many of them, can there? |
dionysus |
Apr-15-10 08:25 AM |
#67 |
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The other side of the argument: "Coal magnates are paid too little." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Apr-15-10 08:40 AM |
#72 |
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If it wasn't for coal miners, our precious society wouldn't function |
peopleb4money |
Apr-15-10 09:00 AM |
#74 |
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Any working person |
Dyedinthewoolliberal |
Apr-15-10 09:05 AM |
#75 |
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good gawd |
guitar man |
Apr-15-10 10:56 AM |
#83 |
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Well, whatever it is, its not enough. nt |
Bobbie Jo |
Apr-15-10 11:14 AM |
#94 |
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The corporate wing of the Democratic party |
Individualist |
Apr-15-10 11:21 AM |
#98 |
| -
Yep |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:14 PM |
#123 |
| -
The line dividing conservatives from liberals is not parallel to the line dividing classes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-15-10 11:22 AM |
#101 |
| -
Wow.. some of those posts are unbelievable... |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 01:08 PM |
#136 |
| -
Indeed. But it keeps an important thread kicked, so that's good. n/t |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:29 PM |
#166 |
| -
I had no idea that this is what would happen with this thread. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 03:36 PM |
#168 |
| -
Ironic computer hiccough...keeping post kicked myself! :-) |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:30 PM |
#167 |
| -
Well, the second post does figure for higher risk |
Burma Jones |
Apr-15-10 01:39 PM |
#143 |
| -
Just never fails to amaze. |
AngryOldDem |
Apr-15-10 11:32 AM |
#105 |
| -
I don't need an ignore list to remember names--and those pushing that RW crap are remembered. |
blondeatlast |
Apr-15-10 11:52 AM |
#112 |
| -
My great-grandfather was a coal miner |
Zomby Woof |
Apr-15-10 12:00 PM |
#115 |
| -
To help better understand lives of mine workers and families... |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:07 PM |
#121 |
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I don't understand. |
ohtransplant |
Apr-15-10 12:24 PM |
#125 |
| -
Perhaps they think that only people with college degrees should be paid a decent salary |
Better Believe It |
Apr-15-10 12:26 PM |
#126 |
| -
LMFAO.. yeah, a CEO takes in millions and his biggest risk |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 12:52 PM |
#132 |
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One could never pay me enough to have me do that bullshit. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-15-10 12:55 PM |
#134 |
| -
When Obama endorsed the Cadillac Tax, |
bvar22 |
Apr-15-10 01:13 PM |
#138 |
| -
"This place HAS changed." |
QC |
Apr-15-10 01:21 PM |
#139 |
| -
Why the f**k was your message above deleted? |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Apr-15-10 03:02 PM |
#158 |
| -
k&r |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-15-10 01:30 PM |
#141 |
| -
HOW MUCH... |
hayu_lol |
Apr-15-10 01:42 PM |
#144 |
| -
Saying Mine Workers are overpaid is Horseshit coming from anybody |
Burma Jones |
Apr-15-10 01:34 PM |
#142 |
| -
Heh! |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 01:55 PM |
#145 |
| -
If they are, they deserve it. Black lung is no fun |
Taverner |
Apr-15-10 01:57 PM |
#147 |
| -
Really? I wonder how much THEY would take to do the job? Because |
Kahuna |
Apr-15-10 02:07 PM |
#149 |
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I may challenge a certain someone to show the guts to say what he's saying up here in GD. |
Forkboy |
Apr-15-10 02:13 PM |
#151 |
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Coal Miners Are Not Overpaid!!!! |
WinterParkDonkey |
Apr-15-10 03:01 PM |
#157 |
| -
I apologize for asking a question on here. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 04:10 PM |
#174 |
| -
Promise? |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 04:20 PM |
#175 |
| -
How about you promise to quit arguing with all the answers then saying "but I thanked people"? |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 04:28 PM |
#176 |
| -
+1000 |
havocmom |
Apr-16-10 10:22 AM |
#187 |
| -
Which question. And there were a lot of people responding to yours |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 07:19 PM |
#180 |
| -
Oh Christ, now we get the manipulative, passive aggressive victim shit. |
Forkboy |
Apr-15-10 07:23 PM |
#181 |
| -
Next to crab fishing in the Bering Sea, being a lumberjack, it is one of the deadliest professions |
DainBramaged |
Apr-15-10 07:17 PM |
#178 |
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There are a lot of DUers who don't know much |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-15-10 07:25 PM |
#182 |
| -
Morons cross the ideological spectrum. |
Stinky The Clown |
Apr-15-10 10:22 PM |
#185 |
| -
K & R |
Petrushka |
Apr-15-10 10:49 PM |
#186 |
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