| 11. Who, in their right mind thinks coal miners are paid well? |
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To me, "West Virginia coal miner" is a synonym for "grinding poverty". Has been ever since the early 20th century. Maybe earlier.
Who's been calling coal miners overpaid? Are there some Blankenship relatives on DU?
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| -I have come across DU'ers who think coal miners are overpaid in the last couple of days. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:20 PM |
#0 |
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That's crazy. |
Dappleganger |
Apr-14-10 11:22 PM |
#1 |
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Not to mention the health hazards such as black lung... |
cynatnite |
Apr-14-10 11:23 PM |
#2 |
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My grandfather developed a lung infection (it was not black lung), |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:26 PM |
#6 |
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Black lung killed my coal miner grandfather--a Sicilian immigrant in Pennsylvania. nt |
tblue37 |
Apr-15-10 12:29 AM |
#41 |
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That's what will kill my father |
MountainLaurel |
Apr-15-10 07:53 AM |
#65 |
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some people are asses |
pitohui |
Apr-14-10 11:25 PM |
#3 |
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That about covers it. |
SmileyRose |
Apr-15-10 06:19 AM |
#62 |
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Spurlock's "30 Days" covered how untrue "overpaid" is. |
flvegan |
Apr-14-10 11:25 PM |
#4 |
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It was the $70K meme that really pissed me off. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:29 PM |
#8 |
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And $70k wouldn't be proportionately fair pay. |
flvegan |
Apr-15-10 12:00 AM |
#32 |
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Exactly. Who in their right mind would trade 20 years of their life |
wickerwoman |
Apr-15-10 01:33 AM |
#47 |
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Someone who feels they have no other options. |
Incitatus |
Apr-15-10 01:51 AM |
#52 |
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My Uncle - 30 years on the Ford assembly line and now disabled. |
SmileyRose |
Apr-15-10 06:22 AM |
#63 |
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Hear hear.... |
DainBramaged |
Apr-15-10 07:18 PM |
#179 |
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Is that show still on? |
Lucian |
Apr-14-10 11:45 PM |
#21 |
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Wasn't renewed last year, sadly. |
flvegan |
Apr-14-10 11:58 PM |
#31 |
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That was completely awesome. Thanks for posting. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-15-10 07:10 PM |
#177 |
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Holy crap, the workers are *avoiding* using safety gear! |
boppers |
Apr-15-10 07:40 PM |
#183 |
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I have three generations of coal miners in my family, and have also lost family in the mines. Anyone |
Liquorice |
Apr-14-10 11:25 PM |
#5 |
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I guess those DUers are entitled to their opinions on the subject. |
Webster Green |
Apr-14-10 11:27 PM |
#7 |
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I've been thankful that my ancestors got out of coal mining |
csziggy |
Apr-14-10 11:31 PM |
#9 |
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Mine did also. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:37 PM |
#12 |
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Yes, it was about 1870 when the Welsh guy came over |
csziggy |
Apr-14-10 11:52 PM |
#24 |
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Many of my recent ancestors... |
brendan120678 |
Apr-15-10 01:56 PM |
#146 |
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Your ggf must have been from North Wales then. |
geardaddy |
Apr-15-10 10:57 AM |
#84 |
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We're always accused of "Class Warfare" but that's exactly what this is.. |
XOKCowboy |
Apr-14-10 11:33 PM |
#10 |
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Who, in their right mind thinks coal miners are paid well? |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-14-10 11:37 PM |
#11 |
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it's a smear that has been spread in southern usa since the 1960s |
pitohui |
Apr-14-10 11:44 PM |
#19 |
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I wonder if they misread me, it wouldn't be the first time. |
Warpy |
Apr-14-10 11:39 PM |
#13 |
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This place has undergone a radical change the past couple of years. |
QC |
Apr-14-10 11:40 PM |
#14 |
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I didn't find it until '05, |
pecwae |
Apr-15-10 08:31 AM |
#69 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-15-10 08:47 AM |
#73 |
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I agree the site has changed a bit. |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Apr-15-10 11:57 AM |
#114 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-15-10 12:07 PM |
#120 |
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It was easy to demagogue support for the working class when |
Marr |
Apr-15-10 01:23 PM |
#140 |
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The same ones who think it's reasonable to try to live on $10/hr? |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-14-10 11:41 PM |
#15 |
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We got more than a few idiots |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-14-10 11:41 PM |
#16 |
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I was born in West by God Virginia. No relatives in the mine but I get sick |
Maraya1969 |
Apr-14-10 11:42 PM |
#17 |
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It's not just hard, it is ****ing dangerous. They deserve to be paid well. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:47 PM |
#23 |
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Probably the same folks who think that teachers are overpaid, |
MadHound |
Apr-14-10 11:43 PM |
#18 |
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I'm more curious as to why someone would stay |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-14-10 11:45 PM |
#20 |
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Interesting question. Do you have family? Would you leave your family |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:52 PM |
#25 |
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The family should be pushing them to get out . |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-14-10 11:55 PM |
#28 |
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Huh? Do you really think this is the 1850's, where you can just "go west young man"?? |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 12:03 AM |
#33 |
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You can go anywhere you want these days. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:08 AM |
#34 |
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Go where? How naive are you? |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 12:13 AM |
#37 |
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Whole country out there. Other people do it every day. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:14 AM |
#39 |
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What about you? |
XOKCowboy |
Apr-15-10 01:02 AM |
#44 |
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Yes, I did that many years ago. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 01:06 AM |
#45 |
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It isn't a tough question, just hard from some to understand who have |
harun |
Apr-15-10 08:29 AM |
#68 |
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I've never understood it. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:04 AM |
#90 |
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Because it's not as easy as you claim if your skill set |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 01:00 PM |
#135 |
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I don't recall saying it was easy. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 01:09 PM |
#137 |
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Well I'm sorry that you missed the entire point. |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 02:03 PM |
#148 |
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No, I finally got an explanation. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 02:10 PM |
#150 |
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Well I gave you what I thought was a reasonable answer |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 02:31 PM |
#152 |
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No, I never said any of that. But thank you anyway. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 02:36 PM |
#153 |
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It's beside the point |
laughingliberal |
Apr-15-10 01:39 AM |
#48 |
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Try this explanation |
Mopar151 |
Apr-15-10 05:12 AM |
#57 |
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Seems unlikely to me. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:51 AM |
#79 |
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A lot of Appalachia is poorly educated. |
Dr.Phool |
Apr-15-10 12:35 PM |
#127 |
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At least some of them got out anyway. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:41 PM |
#130 |
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Because when you've known real hunger and insecurity your tolerance for risk goes down. |
wickerwoman |
Apr-15-10 07:48 AM |
#64 |
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And the urge for a decent life goes up.. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:53 AM |
#80 |
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Are you as critical of three generations of fisherman, police officers, or military? |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-15-10 01:52 AM |
#53 |
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I went up through the military. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:54 AM |
#81 |
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The family is their support system, their safety net. |
Lars39 |
Apr-15-10 07:55 AM |
#66 |
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It's also keeping them down. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:56 AM |
#82 |
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Will they have such a safety net in a larger city, far away? |
Lars39 |
Apr-15-10 10:58 AM |
#86 |
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Did the early Americans have a safety net? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:01 AM |
#88 |
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Can't help but notice that you're Canadian. |
Lars39 |
Apr-15-10 11:52 AM |
#111 |
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Indeed I am. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:56 AM |
#113 |
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Tied by family, friends,culture, hatred of cities |
Mopar151 |
Apr-14-10 11:53 PM |
#27 |
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That is not the only other option. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-14-10 11:56 PM |
#29 |
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"In the old days a high school education would have opened doors everywhere"... |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-15-10 12:10 AM |
#35 |
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Yes, and now it's college or university. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:14 AM |
#38 |
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Leave for what? A cushy job at Google with catered gourmet lunches? |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Apr-15-10 01:31 AM |
#46 |
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Why don't the poor leave big cities |
Dappleganger |
Apr-15-10 08:34 AM |
#70 |
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Poor usually flock to big cities because there are |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:45 AM |
#77 |
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"not once has anyone left the coal mines of W Virginia and found a job elsewhere?" WHO, beyond you, |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 03:53 PM |
#169 |
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BINGO! |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:03 AM |
#89 |
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A simple question. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:06 AM |
#91 |
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Question |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:14 AM |
#93 |
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Which list of what? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:20 AM |
#97 |
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You've been told why, yet argue "but why". Try reading the replies you've gotten |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 03:55 PM |
#170 |
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My family is in mining |
spinbaby |
Apr-15-10 05:52 AM |
#60 |
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Yep, they should just |
pecwae |
Apr-15-10 08:39 AM |
#71 |
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It's their home, their family |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 10:40 AM |
#76 |
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They're not leaving forever you know. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:58 AM |
#87 |
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In desperate, limited-opportunity communities, the young generally have to pitch in |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:13 AM |
#92 |
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After 3-4 generations? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:16 AM |
#95 |
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Not much sociology, anthropology, psychology huh? |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:17 AM |
#96 |
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No answer, huh? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:21 AM |
#99 |
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Obviously you did not read far down-thread |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:25 AM |
#103 |
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I've read all the posts. Still no answer. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:29 AM |
#104 |
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Well, none you are willing to accept. No matter. Others get it |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 11:44 AM |
#107 |
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I haven't seen one beyond fear of leaving home. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:47 AM |
#109 |
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Many thanks for playing along |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:03 PM |
#117 |
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You're welcome. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:06 PM |
#119 |
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You've received several well spoken and reasoned answers. |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:04 PM |
#159 |
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And I thanked people for them and said |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 03:06 PM |
#160 |
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It's a long thread, perhaps I have missed a post |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:13 PM |
#161 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-15-10 03:21 PM |
#162 |
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Then who would do the mining? |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 11:22 AM |
#100 |
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Are you saying it's their duty? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:25 AM |
#102 |
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I'm saying that someone has to mine it. |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 11:45 AM |
#108 |
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So use robots. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 11:49 AM |
#110 |
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Frankly I would think you would have more understanding then. |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 12:22 PM |
#124 |
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It's not about my 'seeing things'. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:39 PM |
#128 |
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Because there are far worse things for some than hard work. |
Mopar151 |
Apr-15-10 09:45 PM |
#184 |
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Was a time (during 2 World Wars) when that was the thinking |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:01 PM |
#116 |
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Well that makes sense. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:05 PM |
#118 |
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Makes you wonder if they'd be able to recognize when someone(s) really are overpaid. |
patrice |
Apr-14-10 11:47 PM |
#22 |
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I find this extremely hard to believe. |
LaPera |
Apr-14-10 11:53 PM |
#26 |
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Well, they are repeating freeper talking points. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-14-10 11:57 PM |
#30 |
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Freepers think miners are overpaid? |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:11 AM |
#36 |
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You think freepers are pro-working class? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-15-10 12:50 AM |
#42 |
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Eons ago when Drudge was new on the web, |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:56 AM |
#43 |
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They may be working class but they tend to vote for those who support tax cuts for the wealthy and |
laughingliberal |
Apr-15-10 01:45 AM |
#49 |
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Which is why I said they were crazy. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:47 AM |
#78 |
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The results of their votes are the same no matter what they think their intent is. nt |
laughingliberal |
Apr-15-10 11:39 AM |
#106 |
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And you only read Playboy for the articles. nt |
sudopod |
Apr-15-10 02:28 AM |
#55 |
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Oh SNAP! |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-15-10 03:59 PM |
#173 |
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Oh. Oh oh oh. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-15-10 03:58 PM |
#172 |
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I agree..DU people and any real Democrat wouldn't make those kind of judgment calls. |
Mojeoux |
Apr-15-10 02:32 AM |
#56 |
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Freepers aren't DUers. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 10:57 AM |
#85 |
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And the DU server does not prevent posting by corporate apologist |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:12 PM |
#122 |
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No, it doesn't. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:40 PM |
#129 |
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The fact that you personally don't like the answers does not mean |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:48 PM |
#131 |
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It was an effort to understand something. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 12:53 PM |
#133 |
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It's really typical behavior |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 02:39 PM |
#154 |
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I think some of you 'read things in' that don't exist. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 02:44 PM |
#155 |
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Yup, sure |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 02:47 PM |
#156 |
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Your questions have been answered repeatedly. |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:23 PM |
#163 |
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And I've thanked people repeatedly. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 03:24 PM |
#164 |
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You are not worth any more of my time. |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:26 PM |
#165 |
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But some DUers are freepers. nt |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 03:58 PM |
#171 |
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I've seen even worse things than that. |
Withywindle |
Apr-15-10 12:24 AM |
#40 |
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i've come across anti-union attitudes, blind allegiance to party |
amborin |
Apr-15-10 01:45 AM |
#50 |
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Anyone who thinks they are overpaid is free to choose that profession. |
Incitatus |
Apr-15-10 01:49 AM |
#51 |
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Do you have a link to that DU'ers post? |
Incitatus |
Apr-15-10 01:53 AM |
#54 |
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+1 . .. . . . n/t |
annabanana |
Apr-15-10 05:26 AM |
#58 |
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It's not possible to overpay a coal miner. To my thinking anyway... |
Solly Mack |
Apr-15-10 05:28 AM |
#59 |
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Fuck them along with Blankenship! |
DailyGrind51 |
Apr-15-10 06:16 AM |
#61 |
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they're fools. there can't be too many of them, can there? |
dionysus |
Apr-15-10 08:25 AM |
#67 |
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The other side of the argument: "Coal magnates are paid too little." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Apr-15-10 08:40 AM |
#72 |
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If it wasn't for coal miners, our precious society wouldn't function |
peopleb4money |
Apr-15-10 09:00 AM |
#74 |
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Any working person |
Dyedinthewoolliberal |
Apr-15-10 09:05 AM |
#75 |
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good gawd |
guitar man |
Apr-15-10 10:56 AM |
#83 |
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Well, whatever it is, its not enough. nt |
Bobbie Jo |
Apr-15-10 11:14 AM |
#94 |
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The corporate wing of the Democratic party |
Individualist |
Apr-15-10 11:21 AM |
#98 |
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Yep |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:14 PM |
#123 |
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The line dividing conservatives from liberals is not parallel to the line dividing classes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-15-10 11:22 AM |
#101 |
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Wow.. some of those posts are unbelievable... |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 01:08 PM |
#136 |
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Indeed. But it keeps an important thread kicked, so that's good. n/t |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:29 PM |
#166 |
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I had no idea that this is what would happen with this thread. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 03:36 PM |
#168 |
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Ironic computer hiccough...keeping post kicked myself! :-) |
SpookyCat |
Apr-15-10 03:30 PM |
#167 |
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Well, the second post does figure for higher risk |
Burma Jones |
Apr-15-10 01:39 PM |
#143 |
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Just never fails to amaze. |
AngryOldDem |
Apr-15-10 11:32 AM |
#105 |
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I don't need an ignore list to remember names--and those pushing that RW crap are remembered. |
blondeatlast |
Apr-15-10 11:52 AM |
#112 |
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My great-grandfather was a coal miner |
Zomby Woof |
Apr-15-10 12:00 PM |
#115 |
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To help better understand lives of mine workers and families... |
havocmom |
Apr-15-10 12:07 PM |
#121 |
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I don't understand. |
ohtransplant |
Apr-15-10 12:24 PM |
#125 |
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Perhaps they think that only people with college degrees should be paid a decent salary |
Better Believe It |
Apr-15-10 12:26 PM |
#126 |
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LMFAO.. yeah, a CEO takes in millions and his biggest risk |
walldude |
Apr-15-10 12:52 PM |
#132 |
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One could never pay me enough to have me do that bullshit. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-15-10 12:55 PM |
#134 |
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When Obama endorsed the Cadillac Tax, |
bvar22 |
Apr-15-10 01:13 PM |
#138 |
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"This place HAS changed." |
QC |
Apr-15-10 01:21 PM |
#139 |
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Why the f**k was your message above deleted? |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Apr-15-10 03:02 PM |
#158 |
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k&r |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-15-10 01:30 PM |
#141 |
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HOW MUCH... |
hayu_lol |
Apr-15-10 01:42 PM |
#144 |
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Saying Mine Workers are overpaid is Horseshit coming from anybody |
Burma Jones |
Apr-15-10 01:34 PM |
#142 |
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Heh! |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 01:55 PM |
#145 |
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If they are, they deserve it. Black lung is no fun |
Taverner |
Apr-15-10 01:57 PM |
#147 |
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Really? I wonder how much THEY would take to do the job? Because |
Kahuna |
Apr-15-10 02:07 PM |
#149 |
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I may challenge a certain someone to show the guts to say what he's saying up here in GD. |
Forkboy |
Apr-15-10 02:13 PM |
#151 |
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Coal Miners Are Not Overpaid!!!! |
WinterParkDonkey |
Apr-15-10 03:01 PM |
#157 |
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I apologize for asking a question on here. |
ZeitgeistObserver |
Apr-15-10 04:10 PM |
#174 |
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Promise? |
Tailormyst |
Apr-15-10 04:20 PM |
#175 |
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How about you promise to quit arguing with all the answers then saying "but I thanked people"? |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-10 04:28 PM |
#176 |
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+1000 |
havocmom |
Apr-16-10 10:22 AM |
#187 |
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Which question. And there were a lot of people responding to yours |
madinmaryland |
Apr-15-10 07:19 PM |
#180 |
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Oh Christ, now we get the manipulative, passive aggressive victim shit. |
Forkboy |
Apr-15-10 07:23 PM |
#181 |
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Next to crab fishing in the Bering Sea, being a lumberjack, it is one of the deadliest professions |
DainBramaged |
Apr-15-10 07:17 PM |
#178 |
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There are a lot of DUers who don't know much |
Nikki Stone1 |
Apr-15-10 07:25 PM |
#182 |
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Morons cross the ideological spectrum. |
Stinky The Clown |
Apr-15-10 10:22 PM |
#185 |
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K & R |
Petrushka |
Apr-15-10 10:49 PM |
#186 |
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